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 Viaggio
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 Kerry and Stem Cell Research 
#2930623 - 07/26/04 11:10 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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A friend of mine mentioned that he saw Kerry and his wife on Larry King Live. The cadidate explained that if elected, he planned to promote federal funding for stem cell research. Is this true? If so...vote for him 
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 Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: Viaggio]
#2930662 - 07/26/04 11:18 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im torn on the issue, on fetal stem cells that is. I dont know if mass production of cells via artificial insemination is exactly a good thing, with my morales that is.
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: Viaggio]
#2930675 - 07/26/04 11:21 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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A single issue to elect Frankenstein's monster on? No way. Although I am not opposed to stem cell research, I am opposed to spending the money of people who are opposed to it on the research. Kerry is little more than George Bush lite?. A little less filling, but still political piss water.
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: Evolving]
#2930891 - 07/27/04 12:06 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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evolving, beautiful way to see it, never thought of something like that. Which means no federal or state funding for stem cell research, I can oppose it and have nothing to do with it that way.
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Viaggio
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: Redo]
#2931151 - 07/27/04 01:27 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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Redo, most stem cells actually come from blastocysts, not fetuses. A blastocyst is a microscopic beginning stage of a human embryo. But stem cells also come from adults.
Artificial insemination wouldn't really be considered as an avenue to generate more stem cells. Any tissues containing stem cells such as fetuses are a donated in the name of science instead of leaving it to waste. Typically, the cells are "grown" and/or cloned in a lab following a harvest.
Evolving, isn't tax payers' money spent on several agendas that not everyone favors? Such as funding war? Also, I'm curious...what do you mean by Kerry is Bush lite?
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Edited by viaggio (07/27/04 08:27 AM)
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: Viaggio]
#2931158 - 07/27/04 01:29 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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blastocyst is the term I was looking for, either was its a possible human life your developing then aborting.
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: Redo]
#2931259 - 07/27/04 02:07 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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listen to "The Great Debate" by Dream Theatre
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: Redo]
#2931365 - 07/27/04 03:00 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah makeing some cells is a petrie dish is so horible who could support it. its a sin isnt it. who cares if it would cure alements and save millions fuck them i have my retarded republican manufactured morals to worry about
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Viaggio
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: Redo]
#2931750 - 07/27/04 08:32 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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Redo, the debate is when does life begin? Is it the opposite of when life ends, when no brain activity is measured? The potential for human life is found in every cell in our body--I shed thousands of skin cells each day...should I cherish each one as if it had a soul?
But beyond that never ending controversy, there is also adult stem cell research to fund. Why won't Bush consider that method?
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: Viaggio]
#2931898 - 07/27/04 09:29 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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because it would be an inroad to harvesting stems cells
from precious babies by stealing them from their mother's
womb and chopping them up in large thresher machines
and then vaccuuming it out and spraying it all over the holy
bible.
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: AhronZombi]
#2932043 - 07/27/04 10:15 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
AhronZombi said:
yeah makeing some cells is a petrie dish is so horible who could support it. its a sin isnt it. who cares if it would cure alements and save millions fuck them i have my retarded republican manufactured morals to worry about
For the first time ever i am completely agreeing with you. Stem cell research is a step further into the beginning of the end.
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: Redo]
#2932054 - 07/27/04 10:19 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Redo said:
blastocyst is the term I was looking for, either was its a possible human life your developing then aborting.
where do you draw the line?
If I turn down an opportunity for sex, then am I guilty of 'aborting' the child that could have come out of said act?
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: d33p]
#2932060 - 07/27/04 10:20 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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No one here seems to understand what adult stem cells are...they come from adults, not embryos. Where's the moral controversy in that? Why no funding for that? Any Bush fans care to explain?
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: Viaggio]
#2932100 - 07/27/04 10:39 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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What's to explain? Bush isn't saying no one can do stem cell research, adult or otherwise. Bush is just saying the US federal government won't fund it. There's tons of stuff the US government doesn't fund (unfortunately not enough). What's the big whoop?
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: Phred]
#2932128 - 07/27/04 10:51 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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My question is "why?" As in, what are his reasons, his justifications for denying federal funding?
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: Viaggio]
#2932138 - 07/27/04 10:55 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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It doesn't matter. At all. Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution. The only thing that mentions scientific innovations in that passage has to do with patents and copyrights. This is not the territory of the federal government.
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: Ancalagon]
#2932158 - 07/27/04 11:03 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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I understand that technically there doesn't have to be reasons for denying funding, but I was curious if anyone knew what Bush's reasons might be? I understand he offered very limited ESC research funding based on the controversy, but what controversy arises with ASC research? Has anyone heard his opinion on that matter?
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: Evolving]
#2932541 - 07/27/04 12:56 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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you might feel different about stem cells when u catch a disease they could have cured. or your children are dying of something that could have been cured... bush is against stem cells on religous grounds, and since jesus is made up bullshit no reason to stifle science.
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I can promise you I won't. Like I said, I am not opposed to stem cell research. However, I am opposed to initiating force against others to pay for something which they find morally repugnant. It is not stifling science by allowing others to live by their beliefs, by not forcing my wishes upon them - it is a matter of principle. Is it so hard to understand that some people have principles?
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Re: Kerry and Stem Cell Research [Re: DoctorJ]
#2932942 - 07/27/04 02:30 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
DoctorJ said:
If I turn down an opportunity for sex, then am I guilty of 'aborting' the child that could have come out of said act?
Every sperm is sacred! Every sperm is great! When a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate!
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