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F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers?
    #2929054 - 07/26/04 05:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

My friend stuck her casing in the fruiting chamber on saturday. She has perlite for humidity and a fish tank pump for air. When she left that day, she jammed the airstone under the perlite for the extra humidity.

She came back today and the rh read at 99%. Her casing is not overlayed, but its pretty much covered by the tomentose mycelium that is characteristic of a overly high rh. Will this significantly affect her first flush pinset or overall yeild?

What are some methods of keeping rh down? She has the lid of her chamber ajar now so some humudity can escape.


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: no-tone]
    #2929094 - 07/26/04 05:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well thats from not fanning bro! You see even though you are pumping in fresh air the CO2 is still collecting and we all know CO2 is heavier than air so guess what? :wink: And damn right it will effect your pins and the number as well. You want a tip drill some rather large holes (3/4"-1") just above the perlite level(1/2"-1") and stuff them with poly :wink: this way when your pumping in fresh air you'll be pushing out the CO2 :wink: GL no-tone


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: no-tone]
    #2929240 - 07/26/04 05:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

u dont need the perlite, the pump in water is actually too much also but works well for air exchange ime


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: hyphae]
    #2931796 - 07/27/04 10:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

She took the airstone out from under the perlite, now its just sitting on top.


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: no-tone]
    #2931874 - 07/27/04 11:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It was fine to leave it under the perlite bro she just needs to fan some or as suggested mod the chamber it will work very sweet that way!!! Trust me she will thank you for the results!!! Perlite works because of surface area, a airstone in a a jar of water will not keep up with any type of fresh air exchange needed for awesome flushes :wink: They'll suck it up !!!



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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: hyphae]
    #2932020 - 07/27/04 12:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What if she drilled those holes you recommended and added 3X as much air stones (hooked up to another pump with 2 outputs)?

Her chamber is like 3X the size of the area of her casing tray, would that matter?

She has been fanning as much as possible as well, but she's away form home much of the time.

SHould she deep scratch and apply a bit more casing and incubate for a few more days? There is pretty much no casing visible anymore.


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: no-tone]
    #2932057 - 07/27/04 12:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You'll never get me to think that humidity being high is a problem for casings. I never drop mine below 95%.

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I'd look at air exchange or temps.


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: Magash]
    #2932068 - 07/27/04 12:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Do you think that 3 air stones will be sufficient for exchange?

Do you think she should scratch and recase maybe a centimeter (0.4 in)?


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: Magash]
    #2932072 - 07/27/04 12:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Her temp is ~72.2


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: no-tone]
    #2932079 - 07/27/04 12:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Depends if it's just colonized or overlayed. Overlayed then scratch and recase. If it's just totally colonized With knotting action then just pickup a cheap bin/tub preferably black and mod it with the poly batting add airstone and fill to just blow the bottom of the holes with perlite and add your water/h2o2 at half the depth of the perlite this system can then be left for extended periods of time with very good results! Remenber pictures are worth a thousand words!


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: hyphae]
    #2932084 - 07/27/04 12:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Its beginning to knot but not what she is used to seeing. Its very sparse.

She really would like a nice pinset, is it too late to deep scratch and recase. Would it damage the casing?


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: no-tone]
    #2932090 - 07/27/04 12:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

3 stones should be enough. Wouldn't happen to have a pic?


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: Magash]
    #2932104 - 07/27/04 12:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Unfortunately not.


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: no-tone]
    #2932153 - 07/27/04 01:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hey No-tone,
What strain is you friend using that is producing the abnormal Knotings?
I am currently experiencing similar problems with my casings that are Burmas from sporeworks.

Also, Magash nice pics of your grow
I was wondering how do you sterilize the casing container since it is plastic. I have attempted the plastic casing container before, but they usually end in contamination. I would sterilize it using a 10% bleach soln and case as normal.


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: BambiEar]
    #2932215 - 07/27/04 01:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

She's got EQs going right now.

They are popcorn cased with 50/50.


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: no-tone]
    #2932355 - 07/27/04 02:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

no-tone said:
Its beginning to knot but not what she is used to seeing. Its very sparse.

She really would like a nice pinset, is it too late to deep scratch and recase. Would it damage the casing?




If shes not happy with the knotting action then go ahead a lightly scratch if that even and lightly recase, just like a large patch :wink: This will just put ya back a few days is all :wink: GL


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: BambiEar]
    #2932473 - 07/27/04 02:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I just pc the container. If it has a number 5 in a triangle on it it can be pc'd.


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: Magash]
    #2932508 - 07/27/04 02:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Magash said:
I just pc the container. If it has a number 5 in a triangle on it it can be pc'd.




Great tip Thanks! Is it just a 5 or 5 and higher/lower? I never knew that!!!


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: hyphae]
    #2932646 - 07/27/04 03:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Really! You mean lika an actual #5 in the recycle triangle.


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Re: F. chamber rh too high, casing suffers? [Re: hyphae]
    #2935899 - 07/28/04 12:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I spoke to my friend recently and she has decided not to scratch and recase. The casing looked too pretty.

She did however, add some extra air exchange.

She hooked up 2 Hagen Elite 802 air pumps to her fruiting chamber.

The output is 1.5L/minute per hose. There are 2 hoses on each pump and 2 air pumps.

This equals 6 litres/min total airflow into the chamber.

Sound good? Well, it gets better.

She still has the old Hagen 801 pump she was using before hooked up. Assuming that the older model of the 801 she is using is rated for the same output as the new 801 Elite model, this will add another 2.5L of air exchange per minute. This totals 8.5 L/min of air exchange.


Her chamber is 190L, so 190/8.5= 22.4 minutes for the chamber to be completely cycled with fresh air (theoretically).

Fanning every ~20 min is what Stamets suggests is the optimal frequency for (assumed) complete air exchange(3 times/hour).

She arrived at this completely unintentionally, and was very surprised (and happy).

Also, her rH remains >95%.

She is a happy camper, and hopes her casing will forgive her for suffocating it before.

She thanks you all!!!


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