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Offlinefft2
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G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971
    #2926707 - 07/25/04 05:30 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Desperate Measures : George W. Bush & Abortion

Note : Apparently, the source of this story was due to go public this week via publisher Larry Flynt, but found out that Flynt was planning to make a tabloid sale, and changed her mind. Like George W. Bush's intervention in commuting the sentence of serial killer Henry Lee Lucas, this is a story that is circulating in the press packs, but that few people want to touch at the eleventh hour of the 2000 U.S. presidential election.

In the winter of 1971 George W. Bush was dating a woman named Robin Lowman (now Robin Garner). Miss Lowman became pregnant by Smirk and he arranged for her to have an abortion - which in the great state of Texas in 1971 was very illegal! Not to mention that George W. is running as a pro-life candidate for the presidency.

The unnamed source of this story, was a friend of Robin Lowman's and the girlfriend of the man who arranged the abortion. His name is Robert Carl Chandler. Chandler is a Bush friend and supporter from way back and he made the arrangements for Miss Lowman's abortion at the Twelve Oaks Hospital in Houston, TX (now the Bayou City Medical Center). The source overheard the call by Mr. Chandler to arrange the abortion and the source visited Robin Lowman at the Twelve Oaks Hospital after the procedure.

The source meanwhile, is afraid of coming forward, saying that she was threatened by Chandler and another Bush friend and supporter named Jim Bath. Bath has longstanding intelligence connections, and played a role in the BCCI scandal. Robin Lowman (now Garner) is married to Jerry Lee Garner who is an FBI agent.

So, that's the story : an illegal back room abortion arranged by the Republican party Presidential candidate who is running on a pro-life ticket.


http://www.bartcop.com/bushabortion.htm

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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: fft2]
    #2926713 - 07/25/04 05:32 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Well that's credible...


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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: fft2]
    #2926766 - 07/25/04 06:00 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

From the source:

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This is an e-mail I received from a man named Roger..
I have no reason to doubt it, ...plus, ...so far, ... Larry Flynt has always been right on-the-money.

Maybe it'll provide a springboard for someone in a position to verify it.

...and if you have the same name as someone in this story, don't run into the spotlight and say,
"That's me, me, me, me, me, me," and file a bunch of lawsuits you can't win.




Also it says this story broke in 2000 but no news agency would run it.


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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: fft2]
    #2926862 - 07/25/04 06:39 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

That should help with him getting votes from Democrats. They are proud of the fact that they love to kill babies.


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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: JesusChrist]
    #2927125 - 07/25/04 08:54 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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JesusChrist said:
That should help with him getting votes from Democrats.  They are proud of the fact that they love to kill babies.


:rotfl: Your probally right...ATTN Democrates, Bush like to kill babies too  :thumbup:

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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: fft2]
    #2927221 - 07/25/04 09:25 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

And Kerry was at anti-war rallies, what does this all mean?

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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: Redo]
    #2927284 - 07/25/04 09:42 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

It means that:



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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: GernBlanston]
    #2927287 - 07/25/04 09:43 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

cartoons are silly

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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: Redo]
    #2927516 - 07/25/04 11:27 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Redo said:
cartoons are silly




*Creates makeshift camp-fire with some branches and a zippo*

You've been burned........ !


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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: Zahid]
    #2927569 - 07/25/04 11:50 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Was my thinking in the post with the cartoon, but decided to state how silly cartoons are, which means they do nothing besides a good chuckle. Which means the last intelligible response was before the cartoon.

You dont get 'burned' by a big cartoon saying your a fucking moron.

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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: Redo]
    #2927603 - 07/26/04 12:02 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Actually, that ?cartoon? is Reginold...if you had viewed his show on NewGrounds your feelings would have been more hurt.



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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: Zahid]
    #2927647 - 07/26/04 12:23 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I have seen them, and it was a pretty lame cartoon.

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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: Redo]
    #2927692 - 07/26/04 12:43 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

There's no pleasing you is there.


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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: Zahid]
    #2927766 - 07/26/04 01:22 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Not in the way youve 'tried'

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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: Redo]
    #2927852 - 07/26/04 02:54 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

:heart:


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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: Zahid]
    #2928379 - 07/26/04 11:12 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

:beer:

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Re: G.W. Bush paid for a previous lover's abortion in 1971 [Re: fft2]
    #2928706 - 07/26/04 01:12 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

hahah yeah democrats are down with baby killen. this might be good for bush.


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Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: baraka]
    #2928831 - 07/26/04 02:00 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know why we can't just kill some babies after they are born and just call it post natal abortion. What really is the difference between a few days? Besides, killing babies is awesome!

Economists John Donohue (Stanford) & Steven Levitt (University of Chicago) even offer convincing arguments that abortion helps cut the crime rate by ridding society of many "undesirables". Maybe we can extrapolate that to mean if the war on crime isn't going far enough we need to kill more babies. WOO HOO!

Interesting to note, outside of the Democratic National Convention anti-abortion groups clashed with anti-war groups. Apparently one of the anti-war pacifists attacked some idiot who thought that killing babies is a bad idea. It is a tough time to be a pacifist when you have to fight so hard for your beliefs.

In 1729, Jonathan Swift wrote the essay "A Modest Proposal". http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html It was a piece of political satire that proposed that eating young Irish children could fight crime, reduce social burdens, cure hunger, and even net a nice profit when the dish became a delicacy to the English land barons. Just 275 years later, we are only a piece of stem cell legislation away from harvesting babies for profit. We have come a long way baby. Tell me that isn't progress.


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: JesusChrist]
    #2929032 - 07/26/04 02:54 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

funny, I always thought babies looked like short, fat humans, not half deformed fish. Also funny how you're saying we should force everyone with such a parasitic deformed fish to give birth to it, and then either give it away to an agency, or get fucked up the ass and raise it without any funds ( after all, you are against the government helping those people )

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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: JesusChrist]
    #2929053 - 07/26/04 03:00 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Abortion is the left's (not so) stealth method of dispensing with the failures of the welfare system. It is the fervent hope of all good leftist idealists, that instead of bringing unwanted babies into this world, that the African Americans and Latinos will opt for chopping up their offspring and vacuuming them out of their wombs before the weight of the welfare state collapses society and exposes the inherent economic myopia of socialism. They call this, 'being pro choice.'


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: vampirism]
    #2929059 - 07/26/04 03:02 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I have always thought abortion should be an option until the 75th trimester. Now I think it should be until the 100th, just for round number sake


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: JesusChrist]
    #2929103 - 07/26/04 03:11 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

it seems the the style is hip facetiousness in this thread...

sorry to kill the theme, but:

Just 275 years later, we are only a piece of stem cell legislation away from harvesting babies for profit

you don't really believe that supporting stem cell research
is tantamount to harvesting babies for profit, do you?


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: afoaf]
    #2929166 - 07/26/04 03:26 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:

Just 275 years later, we are only a piece of stem cell legislation away from harvesting babies for profit

you don't really believe that supporting stem cell research
is tantamount to harvesting babies for profit, do you?




dude, he's just a scared villager. Of course he's going to want to kill Frankenstien.

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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: afoaf]
    #2929195 - 07/26/04 03:31 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

you don't really believe that supporting stem cell research
is tantamount to harvesting babies for profit, do you?



quite depressingly, yes, i think he does. :oogle:

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Abortion is the left's (not so) stealth method of dispensing with the failures of the welfare system. It is the fervent hope of all good leftist idealists, that instead of bringing unwanted babies into this world, that the African Americans and Latinos will opt for chopping up their offspring and vacuuming them out of their wombs before the weight of the welfare state collapses society and exposes the inherent economic myopia of socialism. They call this, 'being pro choice.'



a bit more conspiratoral than I expect from you, Evolving.  it wasn't a secret movement by the left to push through legislation, it was Supreme Court Justices who understood the fact that human beings are unable to rationally determine the exact moment when a human life begins. How can we logically argue that a zygote is a alive but not sperm or eggs?  Since this decision is indeterminable, we leave the choice (hence the word pro-choice) not up to the government, but up to the individual to make that decision.  if that organism is old enough to survive on its own, then at least by then, it is reasonable to consider it its own being.

but shit, morality all relative.  societies used to practice infanticide as a regular practice, for otherwise, their society would be overpopulated and their other children would starve.

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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: Tao]
    #2929209 - 07/26/04 03:34 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

What's wrong with harvesting babies for profit? Babies are way over-rated.


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: fft2]
    #2929220 - 07/26/04 03:37 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I, personally, am pro-choice up to a point(and with restrictions at an earlier point). However, THIS SHOULD NOT BE THE TERRITORY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Article 1 Section 8 and the 10th Amendment my friends, it is that simple. This issue should be decided upon by each individual state.


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2929223 - 07/26/04 03:38 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
What's wrong with harvesting babies for profit? Babies are way over-rated.



But with the right combination of herbs and spices they are delicious!


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2929280 - 07/26/04 03:52 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

To grill or slow-cook, that is the question.


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2929285 - 07/26/04 03:55 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
To grill or slow-cook, that is the question.



Grill of course. It gives them those tasty grill marks with their charcoally goodness.

Now that's good eatin'.


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: Tao]
    #2929291 - 07/26/04 03:57 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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TaoTeChing said:
a bit more conspiratoral than I expect from you, Evolving.



It was a bit tongue in cheek, sorry you didn't get it.

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it wasn't a secret movement by the left to push through legislation, it was Supreme Court Justices who...



It was leftists who brought the case to the supreme court, it was leftist activist judges who over-stepped the bounds of their powers in Roe v. Wade. The courts are not supposed to make laws, but they did by this decision.

Quote:

... understood the fact that human beings are unable to rationally determine the exact moment when a human life begins.



But the court decided it nontheless!

Quote:

...if that organism is old enough to survive on its own, then at least by then, it is reasonable to consider it its own being.



So can we abort welfare recipients by this same reasoning? Should we 'off' people in wheel chairs? When can we start killing old people? When can we start pulling plugs in hospitals?

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but shit, morality all relative. societies used to practice infanticide as a regular practice, for otherwise, their society would be overpopulated and their other children would starve.



Can we terminate welfare recipients since they tend to have more babies than the tax producers and are apparently less capable of supporting their children? Wouldn't this go a long way towards helping alleviate overpopulation?


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: Evolving]
    #2929303 - 07/26/04 04:01 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Abortion rules. I can't believe anyone would get upset about it.

Why don't we all just worry about the people who are HERE NOW. The fetuses are on their own until they get to the physical world as far as i'm concerned.






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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: Evolving]
    #2929318 - 07/26/04 04:09 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Evolving said:
Quote:

TaoTeChing said:
a bit more conspiratoral than I expect from you, Evolving.



It was a bit tongue in cheek, sorry you didn't get it.


nope, sorry.
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  it wasn't a secret movement by the left to push through legislation, it was Supreme Court Justices who...



It was leftists who brought the case to the supreme court, it was leftist activist judges who over-stepped the bounds of their powers in Roe v. Wade.  The courts are not supposed to make laws, but they did by this decision.


they brought it to the court because the govt was telling them what they could and could not do with their own bodies.  if the drug movement had fervency and perserverance that they had, the WOD would not be here today.
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... understood the fact that human beings are unable to rationally determine the exact moment when a human life begins.



But the court decided it nontheless!


they don't condone it, they merely acknowledged that it was not government's place to act.
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...if that organism is old enough to survive on its own, then at least by then, it is reasonable to consider it its own being.



So can we abort welfare recipients by this same reasoning?  Should we 'off' people in wheel chairs?  When can we start killing old people?  When can we start pulling plugs in hospitals?



i meant biologically, it can live outside its mother's body.  you know what i mean anyway.
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but shit, morality all relative.  societies used to practice infanticide as a regular practice, for otherwise, their society would be overpopulated and their other children would starve.



Can we terminate welfare recipients since they tend to have more babies than the tax producers and are apparently less capable of supporting their children?  Wouldn't this go a long way towards helping alleviate overpopulation?






:wtf: i didn't say i supported infanticide.  my point was that whereever we decide to draw the line between terminating pregnancies and murder is morally arbitrary.

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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: fft2]
    #2929448 - 07/26/04 05:13 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

How about if a woman gets an abortion she will be permanately sterilized as well. If you cannot handle having the power to produce offspring you shouldn't have it. Sounds good to me.


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: d33p]
    #2929495 - 07/26/04 05:32 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

you guys are crazy nutjobs, yepp

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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: vampirism]
    #2929508 - 07/26/04 05:36 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Well what exactly is so crazy about that?


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: d33p]
    #2929513 - 07/26/04 05:37 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

getting an abortion doesn't mean you can't handle that power, furthermore, exactly how does the constitution provide for even the remote possibility of that happening?

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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: vampirism]
    #2929525 - 07/26/04 05:39 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

No you don't get it. You don't tell them you are going to do it.

And aside from rape how does getting an abortion not mean you can't handle the power?


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: d33p]
    #2929548 - 07/26/04 05:46 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

You can't just say Aside from Rape

rape is the main one,
and then "permanently sterilized"
kids can be really fucking dumb
a really fucking dumb kid can actually turn out pretty well in the long run

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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: vampirism]
    #2929592 - 07/26/04 05:56 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Honestly, to me knocking yourself up is too fucking dumb. If they are not willing to live with their own bad chocies but instead wants to terminate the embryo then they can be permanentely sterilized as far as I'm concerned. Sex is not a joke, yet many seem to treat it as such.

And i will note this has nothing to do with the life of the "child" and whether or not it is murder.


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: d33p]
    #2929855 - 07/26/04 07:21 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Roe v. Wade was a brilliant piece of legislation


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: d33p]
    #2930554 - 07/26/04 10:54 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

should the rest of the world have to suffer
your extreme view of things?

how about if your wife or daughters or female
friends get knocked up, you make them get
sterilized.

I think the rest of us would like to be left to
make our own choices about our lives.


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: d33p]
    #2930679 - 07/26/04 11:22 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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d33p said:
How about if a woman gets an abortion she will be permanately sterilized as well. If you cannot handle having the power to produce offspring you shouldn't have it. Sounds good to me.


Honestly, I think everyone should be sterilized at puberty, and should have to qualify to get back the right to procreate. Some qualifications could include a well paying job, a high-school diploma, a clean(ish) criminal record.

I really have no clue if this is medically feasable, just a random thought.


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