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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: vampirism]
    #2929059 - 07/26/04 03:02 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I have always thought abortion should be an option until the 75th trimester. Now I think it should be until the 100th, just for round number sake


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: JesusChrist]
    #2929103 - 07/26/04 03:11 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

it seems the the style is hip facetiousness in this thread...

sorry to kill the theme, but:

Just 275 years later, we are only a piece of stem cell legislation away from harvesting babies for profit

you don't really believe that supporting stem cell research
is tantamount to harvesting babies for profit, do you?


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: afoaf]
    #2929166 - 07/26/04 03:26 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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afoaf said:

Just 275 years later, we are only a piece of stem cell legislation away from harvesting babies for profit

you don't really believe that supporting stem cell research
is tantamount to harvesting babies for profit, do you?




dude, he's just a scared villager. Of course he's going to want to kill Frankenstien.

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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: afoaf]
    #2929195 - 07/26/04 03:31 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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you don't really believe that supporting stem cell research
is tantamount to harvesting babies for profit, do you?



quite depressingly, yes, i think he does. :oogle:

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Abortion is the left's (not so) stealth method of dispensing with the failures of the welfare system. It is the fervent hope of all good leftist idealists, that instead of bringing unwanted babies into this world, that the African Americans and Latinos will opt for chopping up their offspring and vacuuming them out of their wombs before the weight of the welfare state collapses society and exposes the inherent economic myopia of socialism. They call this, 'being pro choice.'



a bit more conspiratoral than I expect from you, Evolving.  it wasn't a secret movement by the left to push through legislation, it was Supreme Court Justices who understood the fact that human beings are unable to rationally determine the exact moment when a human life begins. How can we logically argue that a zygote is a alive but not sperm or eggs?  Since this decision is indeterminable, we leave the choice (hence the word pro-choice) not up to the government, but up to the individual to make that decision.  if that organism is old enough to survive on its own, then at least by then, it is reasonable to consider it its own being.

but shit, morality all relative.  societies used to practice infanticide as a regular practice, for otherwise, their society would be overpopulated and their other children would starve.

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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: Tao]
    #2929209 - 07/26/04 03:34 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

What's wrong with harvesting babies for profit? Babies are way over-rated.


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: fft2]
    #2929220 - 07/26/04 03:37 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I, personally, am pro-choice up to a point(and with restrictions at an earlier point). However, THIS SHOULD NOT BE THE TERRITORY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Article 1 Section 8 and the 10th Amendment my friends, it is that simple. This issue should be decided upon by each individual state.


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2929223 - 07/26/04 03:38 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
What's wrong with harvesting babies for profit? Babies are way over-rated.



But with the right combination of herbs and spices they are delicious!


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2929280 - 07/26/04 03:52 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

To grill or slow-cook, that is the question.


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2929285 - 07/26/04 03:55 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
To grill or slow-cook, that is the question.



Grill of course. It gives them those tasty grill marks with their charcoally goodness.

Now that's good eatin'.


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: Tao]
    #2929291 - 07/26/04 03:57 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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TaoTeChing said:
a bit more conspiratoral than I expect from you, Evolving.



It was a bit tongue in cheek, sorry you didn't get it.

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it wasn't a secret movement by the left to push through legislation, it was Supreme Court Justices who...



It was leftists who brought the case to the supreme court, it was leftist activist judges who over-stepped the bounds of their powers in Roe v. Wade. The courts are not supposed to make laws, but they did by this decision.

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... understood the fact that human beings are unable to rationally determine the exact moment when a human life begins.



But the court decided it nontheless!

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...if that organism is old enough to survive on its own, then at least by then, it is reasonable to consider it its own being.



So can we abort welfare recipients by this same reasoning? Should we 'off' people in wheel chairs? When can we start killing old people? When can we start pulling plugs in hospitals?

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but shit, morality all relative. societies used to practice infanticide as a regular practice, for otherwise, their society would be overpopulated and their other children would starve.



Can we terminate welfare recipients since they tend to have more babies than the tax producers and are apparently less capable of supporting their children? Wouldn't this go a long way towards helping alleviate overpopulation?


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: Evolving]
    #2929303 - 07/26/04 04:01 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Abortion rules. I can't believe anyone would get upset about it.

Why don't we all just worry about the people who are HERE NOW. The fetuses are on their own until they get to the physical world as far as i'm concerned.






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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: Evolving]
    #2929318 - 07/26/04 04:09 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Evolving said:
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TaoTeChing said:
a bit more conspiratoral than I expect from you, Evolving.



It was a bit tongue in cheek, sorry you didn't get it.


nope, sorry.
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  it wasn't a secret movement by the left to push through legislation, it was Supreme Court Justices who...



It was leftists who brought the case to the supreme court, it was leftist activist judges who over-stepped the bounds of their powers in Roe v. Wade.  The courts are not supposed to make laws, but they did by this decision.


they brought it to the court because the govt was telling them what they could and could not do with their own bodies.  if the drug movement had fervency and perserverance that they had, the WOD would not be here today.
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... understood the fact that human beings are unable to rationally determine the exact moment when a human life begins.



But the court decided it nontheless!


they don't condone it, they merely acknowledged that it was not government's place to act.
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...if that organism is old enough to survive on its own, then at least by then, it is reasonable to consider it its own being.



So can we abort welfare recipients by this same reasoning?  Should we 'off' people in wheel chairs?  When can we start killing old people?  When can we start pulling plugs in hospitals?



i meant biologically, it can live outside its mother's body.  you know what i mean anyway.
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but shit, morality all relative.  societies used to practice infanticide as a regular practice, for otherwise, their society would be overpopulated and their other children would starve.



Can we terminate welfare recipients since they tend to have more babies than the tax producers and are apparently less capable of supporting their children?  Wouldn't this go a long way towards helping alleviate overpopulation?






:wtf: i didn't say i supported infanticide.  my point was that whereever we decide to draw the line between terminating pregnancies and murder is morally arbitrary.

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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: fft2]
    #2929448 - 07/26/04 05:13 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

How about if a woman gets an abortion she will be permanately sterilized as well. If you cannot handle having the power to produce offspring you shouldn't have it. Sounds good to me.


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: d33p]
    #2929495 - 07/26/04 05:32 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

you guys are crazy nutjobs, yepp

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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: vampirism]
    #2929508 - 07/26/04 05:36 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Well what exactly is so crazy about that?


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: d33p]
    #2929513 - 07/26/04 05:37 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

getting an abortion doesn't mean you can't handle that power, furthermore, exactly how does the constitution provide for even the remote possibility of that happening?

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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: vampirism]
    #2929525 - 07/26/04 05:39 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

No you don't get it. You don't tell them you are going to do it.

And aside from rape how does getting an abortion not mean you can't handle the power?


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: d33p]
    #2929548 - 07/26/04 05:46 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

You can't just say Aside from Rape

rape is the main one,
and then "permanently sterilized"
kids can be really fucking dumb
a really fucking dumb kid can actually turn out pretty well in the long run

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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: vampirism]
    #2929592 - 07/26/04 05:56 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Honestly, to me knocking yourself up is too fucking dumb. If they are not willing to live with their own bad chocies but instead wants to terminate the embryo then they can be permanentely sterilized as far as I'm concerned. Sex is not a joke, yet many seem to treat it as such.

And i will note this has nothing to do with the life of the "child" and whether or not it is murder.


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Re: Slouching toward Gomorrah [Re: d33p]
    #2929855 - 07/26/04 07:21 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Roe v. Wade was a brilliant piece of legislation


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