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OfflineLegoulash
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Grafting tips?
    #2926229 - 07/25/04 04:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I am going to do a graft tonight, and am preaty worried that I will destroy a button or my root stock.  Im going to be grafting a 5/8"peyote button to my 1 3/4" Trichocereus bridgesii..  Whats the best way to hold the graft down??  Wax? I would like to stay away from super glue. 
And how do I keep air bubbles and contams out? 

And how do you cut the specimens cleanly and strait?  I went and bought a pack of new razor blades I hope theyre the best thing to use..

Thanks for any other tips as well. :thumbup:


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Re: Grafting tips? [Re: Legoulash]
    #2926551 - 07/25/04 06:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Razor blades are the best. Wash them with bleach, then clean water, before each cut.
Cut the top off the stock, and bevel the sides a bit, to stop the ribs from pushing off your button if the stock dries out (because the soft inner tissue contracts more than the hard skin. The inner tissue pulls the button down as it contracts, and pushes it against the stock's skin, and this can push the button off)
After bevelling the edges, cut a thin slice off the top of the stock, and leave it in place.
Cut your button, sliding the razor blade carefully through it, so that the bit to be grafted stays stuck on the blade.
Put the edge of the blade slightly into the cut on your stock (ie, beneath the slice of stock that you left on), and slide the button onto the stock, pushing off the top slice at the same time. When the button is on the stock, push down lightly and slide it side to side a bit, to help expell air bubbles.
Best thing for holding the button down is a good sticky tape, with a bit of foam or wad of tissue paper over the button, so that it isn't pulled off when you remove the tape. Put the foam/tissue in the middle of the tape, position it over the button, and then pull the ends down carefully on either side, and either stick them lower down on the stock, or onto its pot.
Place in high humidity and soft light for a week or so, and then carefully remove the tape...
Good luck! Sorry I'm not very good at giving clear explanations, hopefully someone can link to a picture tek...

I thought 4-ribbed trichos were quite rare? If so, you might want to choose a different stock...


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Re: Grafting tips? [Re: Legoulash]
    #2927199 - 07/25/04 11:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"I thought 4-ribbed trichos were quite rare? If so, you might want to choose a different stock"

was thinkin the same thing, that is a beaut! but hey you can just take the top and make it into a cutting anyway.

that one behind it, is it a cerues peruvianus? i have one that looks very similar at the top but isnt c.p.


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Re: Grafting tips? [Re: kadakuda]
    #2927519 - 07/26/04 01:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No that isnt my cacti in the back... I just used the pic the previous owner gave me.. And i Know its rare but im going to cut it in half so Ill have a faster growing tip cutting.. And its all iv got to work with... If somebody can get another stock to me risk free into canada ill take it..


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Re: Grafting tips? [Re: Legoulash]
    #2928384 - 07/26/04 01:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Can I also graft the peyote roots upside down??


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Re: Grafting tips? [Re: Legoulash]
    #2928579 - 07/26/04 02:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, root grafts will work, as long as there is at least one aereole on it that can sprout a new pup.
Hmmm... I think you might have a problem: if you cut it in half, the flesh that you graft on to will be quite old, and maybe woody. Which is not good for grafting. You need new, actively growing flesh, like at the tip. It could work, but you'll have to wait for someone more experienced to give their opinion...
You could cut it in half, root the tip, and graft onto the pups that form on the stump. But that will take ages...


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Re: Grafting tips? [Re: Openminded]
    #2928704 - 07/26/04 03:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Has to be graphed on new growth if im not mistaken


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Re: Grafting tips? [Re: Legoulash]
    #2929162 - 07/26/04 05:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i recommend against the superglue.
use any adehesive tape and a sponge at the scion (or anything soft), even because it's a small scion.
i still go with nylon lines when the scion is big enough.
check out pressure in the end of the day at least and adjust (shrinks).


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Re: Grafting tips? [Re: Legoulash]
    #2929873 - 07/26/04 09:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Don't forget that you want the little water carrying vessels to match up. I can't think of the names of them right now but you will see them in a ring pattern on the stock when you cut it. The tiny scion may not have visable markings but just put it over one of the vessels on the stock. If you put your scion exactly centered on a large stock you might miss all the water carrying structures and it's likely to fail.


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Re: Grafting tips? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #2931179 - 07/27/04 03:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well I cut the rootstock in half :p but im sure itll work.. Im also trying to hunt down another stock so I can graft the root..


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Re: Grafting tips? [Re: Legoulash]
    #2931411 - 07/27/04 05:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

im sure any nursery will have great stocks. most grocery stores have decent ones. or are you specifically wanting active cacti as stalks?


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Re: Grafting tips? [Re: kadakuda]
    #2932063 - 07/27/04 12:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah we dont have many cacti nurseries in saskatchewan.. will and columner cacti work??

And did I fuck up my original graft? Im still have faith but it wasnt at the active growing tip..??...


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Re: Grafting tips? [Re: Legoulash]
    #2932159 - 07/27/04 01:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It could work. We'll just have to wait and see! I think it will be fine as long as it wasn't very woody where you cut it.


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Re: Grafting tips? [Re: Openminded]
    #2932590 - 07/27/04 03:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

in theory "any" columnar, or any cacti probably, would work. but you want to choose a cacti that grows fast so that teh peyote grows fast. although i think you could choose almost any cacti and still have sped up the peyote growth.


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