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Invisiblebandaid
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Is their more than thought & emotion?.
    #2922961 - 07/24/04 07:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Are we aware of, or is anyone (not necessarily everyone) aware of anything other than thought and emotion?.

Because Im not sure myself at the moment what exactly I may or may not be aware of. Ive also contemplated just because you arent conscious of something that somehow in the "void" something that never existed can be brought up to exist, or maybe thats nonsense, maybe their has to be a connection to everything before something may "come" into existence.

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Re: Is their more than thought & emotion?. [Re: bandaid]
    #2922976 - 07/24/04 07:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes.


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Re: Is their more than thought & emotion?. [Re: Jellric]
    #2923069 - 07/24/04 09:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

wow thx! :thumbup:, you didnt even say what :rolleyes:


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Re: Is their more than thought & emotion?. [Re: bandaid]
    #2923072 - 07/24/04 09:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

go look again
keep looking.


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Re: Is their more than thought & emotion?. [Re: bandaid]
    #2923080 - 07/24/04 09:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeah, you are aware of your surroundings, unless you consider this objective universe a thought. 

do you?  if so..why

if you don't...why not? 

:grin:


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Re: Is their more than thought & emotion?. [Re: kaiowas]
    #2923121 - 07/24/04 09:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:blah:


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Re: Is their more than thought & emotion?. [Re: bandaid]
    #2923145 - 07/24/04 10:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:wink:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.---senior doobie


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Re: Is their more than thought & emotion?. [Re: kaiowas]
    #2923560 - 07/24/04 02:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think he meant something in our brains... :smile:

Hmm.. what about 'ideas' ? Or are they a kind of 'thoughts' themselves ?
That reminds me fo the ancient greeks.


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Re: Is their more than thought & emotion?. [Re: bandaid]
    #2923613 - 07/24/04 02:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

emotion is a kind of memory overlay.
we call it feelings because it comes with physical memory.
then we react to it and get more feelings.
really there are only 3 feelings:
pleasure, pain and indifferent.
really the emotions are just recollections with body content as well as ideas.
thoughts are the same but usually without body connection.
but we can react to thoughts with pain pleasure or indifference too.

so there are thoughts which may include body.
there are recalled instances that can mingle with ongoing experiencing
and there are feeligs that help condition you (pain pleasure indifference)

this is all covered in the abhidhammata sangaha. written many hundreds of years ago.

then there are the absorptions which is a skew on this normal stuff

the absorptions are a bit like hallucinogens in that any object focussed on becomes more resonant.

any sensation, thought or other mental (or physical - no distinction is made) construct can be an object of absorption.

but you have to go into the question deeper yourself or it all means nothing.


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Re: Is their more than thought & emotion?. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #2923653 - 07/24/04 03:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sry kaiowas your questions where reasonable, I should have been more specific in my post so I sort of asked for it, just dont put griny faces after reasonable questions, it just gives the wrong impression to the reader :grin:.

Its hard to answer your questions. Since we are conscious that supposedly implies that we are always changing no matter what, if thats true than what we percieve must also be always changing ie; the universe, as much as we'd like to think that color we saw as red when we where 4 years old is now the same, its really a different red but its impossible for us to tell the difference. 10 years 1 second, theres always a change so its never the same color so to speak.

BlueCoyote your probably right, "in" our brains, as I could also see the universe "in" our brains.


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Re: Is their more than thought & emotion?. [Re: bandaid]
    #2923748 - 07/24/04 04:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have always wondered if there are emotions that we have never experienced, and never will- just because out minds are not capable of it. I am convinced that there must be life elswhere in the universe, perhaps "people" similar to ourselves. But are they constricted to just the emotions that we know of? I think that there could be some other emotions out there, but we will neer experience them.


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Re: Is their more than thought & emotion?. [Re: bandaid]
    #2924199 - 07/24/04 07:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

no prob band-aid.

I should have been more specific as well.

I think awareness encompasses two different universes, namely the internal universe, and the external universe. the external niverse is what I labeled as the objective universe. here no emotion is present, everything just "IS" the internal universe is how we feel about the external universe. this is where we apply our judgements about what is going on, and what type of world we live in is a result of this. a paranoid person lives in a paranoid world, a joyful person lives in a joyous world.

so what I am getting at is that if all we are aware of is emotions, then we can never truley understand or be in the objective universe, namely "living in the now."

when you limited your judgements, you get a much better grip on reality, why? cause reality doesn't have emotion, it just simply is. we are the ones that supply this emotion, not reality. so I think that we have the ability to be aware of as much as we want, it jsut depends on how we use our ego (which I view as a filter).


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.---senior doobie


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Re: Is their more than thought & emotion?. [Re: kaiowas]
    #2924632 - 07/24/04 11:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

in a way
reality is like a big body
since body memory is basically what makes our emotional makeup
the memory of all reality is all emotion.

in a way reality is more emotion than rational thought because it is more about bodies and its own big body than about ideas which interepret it's body...


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