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OfflineTao
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Drug Laws and the Constitution
    #2920890 - 07/23/04 04:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Has any one heard or read any argument as to why the U.S. needed a Constitutional Amendment to ban alcohol but not one to ban any other substance?


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Re: Drug Laws and the Constitution [Re: Tao]
    #2920955 - 07/23/04 05:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The anti-drug laws in the US are (and always have been) clearly unconstitutional. So are many other US laws on the books. Most politicians wipe the shit off their shoes on the Constitution as they step into their office for the first time and that's the last time they ever think of it.

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Re: Drug Laws and the Constitution [Re: Phred]
    #2920964 - 07/23/04 05:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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pinksharkmark said:
The anti-drug laws in the US are (and always have been) clearly unconstitutional. So are many other US laws on the books. Most politicians wipe the shit off their shoes on the Constitution as they step into their office for the first time and that's the last time they ever think of it.

pinky




dang pinky. id think u would have adressed his question.


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Re: Drug Laws and the Constitution [Re: BleaK]
    #2920975 - 07/23/04 05:12 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

He did buddy.


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Re: Drug Laws and the Constitution [Re: BleaK]
    #2920976 - 07/23/04 05:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I did address his question. Politicians pass unconstitutional legislature all the time. What more need be said?

pinky


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Re: Drug Laws and the Constitution [Re: Phred]
    #2920991 - 07/23/04 05:16 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

pinksharkmark said:
I did address his question. Politicians pass unconstitutional legislature all the time. What more need be said?

pinky




he asked why there was a constitutional amendment banning alcohol that was later repealed.

why did alchol have an amendment but not crack?


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Re: Drug Laws and the Constitution [Re: BleaK]
    #2921015 - 07/23/04 05:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Because for a long time now, and even more since FDR's unconstitutional New Deal programs, politicians have simply disregarded the Constitution. That is all that really needs to be said. They didn't pass another amendment because their ignorance and disregard for the Constitution was such that they felt it was unneccesary.


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?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
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Re: Drug Laws and the Constitution [Re: BleaK]
    #2921023 - 07/23/04 05:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

And I was wondering if anyone had heard a specific argument explaining what appears to be a blatant gap in logic. I know it seems to be blatantly unconstitutional, just wondering if anyone has hear or read the other side. Have there been records of people protesting drug laws on their unconstitutionality?


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Re: Drug Laws and the Constitution [Re: Tao]
    #2921073 - 07/23/04 05:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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TaoTeChing said:
And I was wondering if anyone had heard a specific argument explaining what appears to be a blatant gap in logic. I know it seems to be blatantly unconstitutional, just wondering if anyone has hear or read the other side. Have there been records of people protesting drug laws on their unconstitutionality?




i protest drug laws on their unconstitutionality.
im not stoopid enough to do it on my own in public as i would obviously be arrested.


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Re: Drug Laws and the Constitution [Re: Tao]
    #2921095 - 07/23/04 05:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Here is the reason. MOST of the people in the country enjoyed a toot now and then. Some more so than others. Only SOME of the people enjoy shrooms and whatnot, and they are generally considered degenerates and not respectable like people sipping cocktails. As far as a legal reason, beats the shit out of me.


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Re: Drug Laws and the Constitution [Re: Tao]
    #2921149 - 07/23/04 05:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The interstate commerce clause is used as a catch all rationalization for a great mutitude of unconstitutional actions by the U.S. government. I believe that the war against some drugs falls under this category.

Article I
Section 8.


The Congress shall have Power To...

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;


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Re: Drug Laws and the Constitution [Re: Tao]
    #2921186 - 07/23/04 06:04 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

the constitutionality of federal anti-drug laws has yet to be challenged in the supreme court, so who knows what rationalization the government is using, if there is one at all. i think it would be quite difficult to find a constitutional justifcation for federal anti-drug legislation.


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Re: Drug Laws and the Constitution [Re: Evolving]
    #2921199 - 07/23/04 06:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbup: thanks, I think that's right. Or should I say 'right'.


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