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OfflineRedo
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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: Zahid]
    #2918561 - 07/22/04 11:02 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

A quote from the 9/11 commissions report about the Iraq-Al Quaeda link

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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: Redo]
    #2918631 - 07/22/04 11:12 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quite babbling and post the damn quote already.


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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: Zahid]
    #2918685 - 07/22/04 11:20 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Wont be able to find it till tommarow, talking points are delayed online by a day.

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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: Redo]
    #2918711 - 07/22/04 11:24 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Ok.


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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: Evolving]
    #2918882 - 07/23/04 12:02 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

He won the election with the rules in place at the time.

Not by the popular vote, also, our voting system is extremely shady.
http://www.votescam.com/

He didn't mislead me, but apparently quite a few others were misled.

It is a quite pleasent excuse that he was mislead by people below him, who can serve as scape goat. I don't believe that the president was unaware of the POW abuse. I believe he knew about 9-11 before it happenned and allowed it to happen to mobilize war. This shit is just too perfectly orchistrated.


[BMore $ does not equal a better education, one need only look at expenditures of private schools vs. public schools to realize this. The problems are of a systemic nature, not of funding. The federal government has no business in education, it should be a local issue not under any central authority. I also think it is unfair that those who do not have children or those who are not getting an education should be forced to pay for the education of others. BTW, I am a parent of two school age children.[/B]

More money does mean better education when the lack of money doesn't allow the school to buy up to date books, new paper, have extracorricular activities etc. In the state I live, schools are struggling due to a shortage in the budget. IMO the federal government shouldn't regulate the schools, but they should most certainly pay for education. In fact they should give teachers all a raise, but that's off topic.

And the funding of education is supposed to help our nation as a whole. You cannot go wrong with giving people a good education!

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That's just the start of it, do I need to go on?



No, please don't.




Bush is still a Rass Clat.

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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: MAGnum]
    #2919423 - 07/23/04 03:53 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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He stole the first election



Thanks for showing us your level of intellectual honesty right at the start. It helps to know who can't face facts.

Bush won fair and square.

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do I need to go on?



Only after you learn what the word facts means and you learn how to use them.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

Edited by luvdemshrooms (07/23/04 03:55 AM)

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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: MAGnum]
    #2920045 - 07/23/04 10:39 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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MAGnum said:
He won the election with the rules in place at the time.

Not by the popular vote, also, our voting system is extremely shady.



Again, he won by the rules in place at the time. There are reasons for the rules, do some research on the Constitutional convention debates, The Federalist Papers and The Anti-Federalist papers, it might be enlightening. Oh, here in California the popular vote consists of illegal aliens - thank you democrats.

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More money does mean better education when the lack of money....



Again, the problems are SYSTEMIC. Private schools turn out better educated students with far less money. Contrary to liberal doctrine, throwing more money at a problem is not the best solution for everything.

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IMO the federal government shouldn't regulate the schools,



Good for you.

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... but they should most certainly pay for education.



Why? Why should people who don't have children be forced to pay for the education of other people's children? Why should a person working his ass off to support himself be forced to pay for the education of someone who will come out of school and compete with him at a lower wage (because that person is just entering the work force)?

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And the funding of education is supposed to help our nation as a whole.



Yes, that's the excuse of everyone who wants to suck on the government teat (read: 'be a parasite on the backs of the working man')

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You cannot go wrong with giving people a good education!



Good, then you pay for it and don't ask government to force others to fulfill YOUR wishes.

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Bush is still a Rass Clat.



I prefer the term jackass.


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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: Zahid]
    #2920191 - 07/23/04 11:30 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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"In my class, he (Bush) declared that ?people are poor because they are lazy.? He was opposed to labor unions, social security, environmental protection, Medicare and public schools. To him, Franklin D Roosevelt?s New Deal was ?socialism,"? Tsurumi said. (Kyodo News)




If Bush said that I'd have to say that I agree (with the exception of the 'enviromental protection' part). In reality I think Bush simply parrots what others say.

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Private schools turn out better educated students with far less money. Contrary to liberal doctrine, throwing more money at a problem is not the best solution for everything.




True, look at the expenditures per child of the D.C.P.S (District of Columbia Public Schools). DCPS is at or near the top of the list of out-lays per student yet they have some of the worst scores in the country. That's only one example.

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Why? Why should people who don't have children be forced to pay for the education of other people's children? Why should a person working his ass off to support himself be forced to pay for the education of someone who will come out of school and compete with him at a lower wage (because that person is just entering the work force)?




May I expand that a little? Because in many cases government schools are inferior to private schools many people pay to send their kids to private schools so that they may actually learn to read, write and count. Why should those people have to pay for 'services' not required nor desired?


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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: grib]
    #2920279 - 07/23/04 12:02 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

because public education is priceless for a society. an uneducated citizenry would be as dangerous for me or anyone else as cutting police protection in half. look at countries without public education for examples.

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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: Tao]
    #2920306 - 07/23/04 12:08 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Like the U.S. before public education?


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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: Evolving]
    #2920721 - 07/23/04 01:57 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

What year was that? Back when it was a privilege of the rich elite?


Public Education is also just about the best investment a society can make into the nation's economy.

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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: Tao]
    #2920847 - 07/23/04 02:39 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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TaoTeChing said:
because public education is priceless for a society. an uneducated citizenry would be as dangerous for me or anyone else as cutting police protection in half. look at countries without public education for examples.




That doesn't answer the question, 'Why should we pay to educate someone else's children?' It's not enough that I pay to educate mine? Also, why should someone who has no children pay to educate someone else's off-spring?


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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: grib]
    #2920865 - 07/23/04 02:43 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

why? because it makes his own place in society more secure. Instead of living with completely uneducated people all around, he will be helping to educate them.

Why should someone have to pay for ANYTHING at all via taxes? What if youre a pacifist and don't want to pay for the military? What if youre an anarchist, and don't want to support the state at all?

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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: grib]
    #2920879 - 07/23/04 02:47 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

why should i pay for any expense of a criminal in prison (food, shelter, etc.)? answer that.

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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: vampirism]
    #2920951 - 07/23/04 03:07 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Morrowind said:
why? because it makes his own place in society more secure. Instead of living with completely uneducated people all around, he will be helping to educate them.




Well, you see, personal responsibility is where the focus should be. If you want to have a child you should understand that the responsibility for education should be yours (well, at least if you care about your child).


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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: Tao]
    #2920967 - 07/23/04 03:10 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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TaoTeChing said:
why should i pay for any expense of a criminal in prison (food, shelter, etc.)? answer that.




Excellent point!!! You should not. The convict should be made to earn his keep.


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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: grib]
    #2920987 - 07/23/04 03:16 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

And what about the child? What did he/she do to deserve such a situation? What can he/she do? The child is not old enough to work and pay for their own education.
I do wish that people were more responsible when having children but the fact remains that many will make stupid decisions both when sober and intoxicated and sometimes it is even bad luck to blame (the only birth control that's 100% effective is abstinence [and abortions?] and it is infeasible to be completely relying on that as a choice of birth control for all adults who are not in a good postition to have children). The child should not be punished for this, IMO society should come together and educate our younger generation for the good of the society in all aspects of life.

And of course, if people do not like paying for public education, they may renounce citzenship and leave, hopefully to a place that does not have publicly funded education.

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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: grib]
    #2921013 - 07/23/04 03:21 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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The convict should be made to earn his keep.




What if injured or unable to work? What if they are completely unskilled and do not earn enough to pay their keep? What if there aren't enough opportunities for them to earn their keep?

And answer Morrowind's question which libertarians always ignore--why should I be forced to pay for protection (military and police) if I don't want it?

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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: Tao]
    #2921121 - 07/23/04 03:46 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Former professor: Bush not qualified for President [Re: Tao]
    #2921148 - 07/23/04 03:54 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Why should you be forced to pay for protection? You're not. Move away.


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