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2004 presidential election, PAL style.
    #2914200 - 07/22/04 12:42 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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if the election were held today, for whom would you vote?
You may choose only one
george w. bush - republican
john kerry - democrat
michael badnarik - libertarian
david cobb - green
ralph nader - indepenent


Votes accepted from (07/21/04 02:00 AM) to (No end specified)
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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: ]
    #2914210 - 07/22/04 12:47 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Kerry, of course - although allow me to add a caveat: If Bush were not in the white house today, and I didn't feel as strongly as I do about the need to get him out first and foremost, I would be voting for David Cobb.

I'm a big fan of the Green party. They have a long way to go to solidify their platform to really become a party of the people, but I love em.


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: ]
    #2914213 - 07/22/04 12:49 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i left out a few of course, and there can be write-ins...

there are some crazy political parties out there.

the vice presidential candidate for the personal choice party is porn actress marilyn taylor.

there's another political party called the peace and freedom party...

here's their economic agenda:

"    * Double the minimum wage, and index it to the cost of living.
    * Guarantee the right of all workers to organize and to strike; forbid striker replacement.
    * Socially useful jobs for all at union pay levels.
    * Equal pay for equal work, and for work of comparable worth.
    * A 30-hour work week with no cut in weekly pay; longer paid vacations.
    * Guaranteed dignified income for those who cannot work.
    * A Universal Basic Income to alleviate poverty and homelessness.
    * Tax the income and assets of the rich to meet human needs.
    * International trade agreements must guarantee the protection of workers and the environment in all participating countries; abolish NAFTA, GATT and the World Trade Organization (WTO).
    * End homelessness; abolish vagrancy laws; provide decent affordable housing for all.
    * Social ownership and democratic control of industry, financial institutions, and natural resources"

hahaha. i love it. SIGN ME UP!  :rolleyes:

should i have put that one on the ballot?  :wink:


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: ]
    #2914227 - 07/22/04 12:52 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Wow. What a party.


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: ]
    #2914229 - 07/22/04 12:52 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yah.  Those are all horrible things to strive for.  UnAmerican, I tell ya.

Equal wages for all.  Useful jobs.  Strength of unions.  What are those assholes thinking???

:kodama:


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: ]
    #2914240 - 07/22/04 12:54 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, they hit everything a poor person wants to hear.


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: GernBlanston]
    #2914253 - 07/22/04 12:59 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

GernBlanston said:
Yah.  Those are all horrible things to strive for.  UnAmerican, I tell ya.

Equal wages for all.  Useful jobs.  Strength of unions.  What are those assholes thinking???

:kodama:



Those things are ABSOLUTELY unamerican if worked towards through government force and coercion.


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: ]
    #2914372 - 07/22/04 01:34 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

jeez, what a bunch of crappy choices. 

no thanks, I'm full :smile:


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: ]
    #2914537 - 07/22/04 02:23 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

anyone wantR toE guessD whoO voted for bush?


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: afoaf]
    #2914542 - 07/22/04 02:25 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
anyone wantR toE guessD whoO voted for bush?




I already know


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: ]
    #2914648 - 07/22/04 03:03 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I voted for Bush. I really wish that all the things on the "Peace and Freedom" platform were achievable if it was as simple as signing them into legislation. It isn't that simple. We have laws against murder, but people still murder. If you want to have a law against poverty, don't expect that to work either. In fact, we have tried that before.

Indeed, the "Great Society" programs and the "War against Poverty" were initiated in the 1960s. At the time, they predicted they would accomplish their goals in 4 years. Decades later, we are still feeling the ill effects of increase Government interfence with free choice. Does anyone here want to live in Government housing? Anyone want to argue that paying people not to work is a good incentive? Those programs blatently failed.

My favorite is "A Universal Basic Income to alleviate poverty and homelessness". No matter who you are or what you do, even if you achieve nothing and choose not to work, we will give you a home and an income. How many people would just love that? Why not just sit around surf the net and beat off all day? Might as well if it isn't your dime. WOO HOO! Sign me up to. I just became a liberal.


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: ]
    #2914854 - 07/22/04 05:23 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

A few days ago, I would've said Kerry. But at this point, I think I'd have to say Michael Badnarik.


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2914870 - 07/22/04 05:34 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Ancalagon said:
Those things are ABSOLUTELY unamerican if worked towards through government force and coercion.


... and truly American ways like corporate power have proved their efficiency at it anyway, so why bother?


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: Aldous]
    #2915177 - 07/22/04 10:15 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting comment. Would you like to give us an example (start a new thread, please, so as not to derail this one) of the American government condoning corporate use of force and coercion?

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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: ]
    #2915454 - 07/22/04 12:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Surely there should be an option: "I would not vote as voting simply reinforces an archaic and corrupt system. I am not willing to participate in this illusion of choice anymore!"

Just a thought!


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: ]
    #2915470 - 07/22/04 12:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

mushmaster said:
i left out a few of course, and there can be write-ins...

there are some crazy political parties out there.

the vice presidential candidate for the personal choice party is porn actress marilyn taylor.

there's another political party called the peace and freedom party...

here's their economic agenda:

"    * Double the minimum wage, and index it to the cost of living.
    * Guarantee the right of all workers to organize and to strike; forbid striker replacement.
    * Socially useful jobs for all at union pay levels.
    * Equal pay for equal work, and for work of comparable worth.
    * A 30-hour work week with no cut in weekly pay; longer paid vacations.
    * Guaranteed dignified income for those who cannot work.
    * A Universal Basic Income to alleviate poverty and homelessness.
    * Tax the income and assets of the rich to meet human needs.
    * International trade agreements must guarantee the protection of workers and the environment in all participating countries; abolish NAFTA, GATT and the World Trade Organization (WTO).
    * End homelessness; abolish vagrancy laws; provide decent affordable housing for all.
    * Social ownership and democratic control of industry, financial institutions, and natural resources"

hahaha. i love it. SIGN ME UP!  :rolleyes:

should i have put that one on the ballot?  :wink:




Gosh, wonder why this didn't work in the SOVIET UNION????????


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: coralrives]
    #2915503 - 07/22/04 12:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You're joking, right?


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: coralrives]
    #2915508 - 07/22/04 12:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

> Gosh, wonder why this didn't work in the SOVIET UNION????????

Because somebody has to pay for it... and eventually the people doing the paying part get sick of supporting the people doing the nothing part.

> Social ownership and democratic control of industry, financial institutions, and natural resources

Communism (which is an economical model, not a governmental model).


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: ]
    #2915520 - 07/22/04 12:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

woo, 6 for Bush.


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Re: 2004 presidential election, PAL style. [Re: GernBlanston]
    #2915583 - 07/22/04 12:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

GernBlanston said:
You're joking, right?




Hey, I'm not interested in paying for you unemployeed lazy ass neighbor's Escalade. Are you? Or paying for someone who can work but wont because they can't get an "EMPOWERING" JOB BECAUSE THE FUCKED AROUND THROUGH THEIR WHOLE LIFE AND DIDNT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES GIVEN TO THEM. Wake the hell up. Friggin redistribution of wealth via taxes and the congress is all you're about.


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