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 oOjonahOo
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 Re: The Great Azure challenge.. 
#291237 - 04/12/01 08:36 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im in....this is a wonderful idea....help eachother, spread the seed, etc. etc.
Nushroom....that looks like a good spot, make sure it stays humid. Are you going to do alder spawn? I think that I am going to do dung/aspen shavings and then spawn a mass of alder chips. The best part about these is that once they fruit (usually fall after setting the bed), they can continue to fruit for up to three years with marginal maintenance (protection from frost, and seasonal introduction of fresh wood chips.)
How great would it be to grow out a whole shitload of spawn, like massive amounts, and just bury them EVERYWHERE. Under every rhododendron you can find....
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Azure
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Re: The Great Azure challenge..
#291926 - 04/12/01 09:06 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Raw Maple sap added to malt agar would make a good additive when isolating a strain.
Sucess with azures outdoors doesn't seem to be dependent on the competency of the cultivator(although it does help). Creating spawn that's healthy isn't hard to do. Getting the right weather for maintaining the spawn and then primordia initiation seems to be the biggest challenge...
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#291927 - 04/12/01 09:09 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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aaron
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Reading from back to front: Ps. azurescens, Ps. cyanescens, Ps. bohemica, Ps. subaeruginosa,Ps. weilii.
The beds where made with Pasteurized wood a 55 gallon drum, gas burner, shredder and hardware cloth basket.
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Thor
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: aaron]
#292033 - 04/13/01 12:25 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm getting all the help I can, Workman and anyone else who wants to guide me 
This should be exciting and rewarding. I find things that you put a lot of effort into make the reward so much sweeter... I sincerely hope we can all be success stories in our little adventure in cultivating this potent shroom.
Now I just need my shopping list for Walmart..... I will have to plant a flower bed ( a big one) to do this... It will be put on my roof of my loft apartment, so its important I get guidance since this will be somewhat unique.
My plans so far is to plant soil in this bed, cover with wood chips (types I'm not sure of yet), leave the edges open, plant some flowers in the middle.....
This is advice from Workman, I hope everyone can help me in my quest... I will promise to photograph and document everything so we can make this a step easier for the cultivators to follow.
Thanks aaron for those pics, looks impressive, too bad I didn't live close to you! 
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: aaron]
#292035 - 04/13/01 12:29 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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we all have some pretty good ideas and im pretty sure all of us will get the babies to fruit. azure, i heard sap is bad for mycelia. but that maybe just somebodys opinion i dont know i heard it from somewhere on this site. and to arron--5 beds is going to be crazy! make sure nobody finds them, are they in a place like your backyard or are they in woods where people/ animals could have easy access to them?
p.s. just found two air conditioning units at Lowe's for around $150 each. they both have air control on them so that means all the air that comes in is going to be fresh HEPA filtered cold 40 degree airflow. that sets the weather mimicing! i need insulation i can put on the walls. something that would be easy to spray down with lysol.
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: aaron]
#292053 - 04/13/01 01:02 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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By the way, aaron, you are my hero ..... If I stumbled upon these bed I would probably have some kind of seizure!
You have my upmost respect for your mad scientist work!
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Bleuboxo
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: Thor]
#292475 - 04/13/01 04:51 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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is ryw grass seed good to start spawn out with?
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aaron
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 Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: Bleuboxo]
#292651 - 04/13/01 09:51 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Spawn for beds; 4/1 parts - wood / ground grain or seed is best. type of wood, grain or seed is not that inportant for Spawn.
To Thor thanks,
and 5 beds fruting at the same time can induce seizures.
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Bleuboxo
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: aaron]
#292746 - 04/14/01 12:38 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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i thought it was, all this talk oin alder chips and pinecones....i must have been wrong then! that saves me alot of money!
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: aaron]
#292756 - 04/14/01 03:32 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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You better show us pictures of those beds coming to fruit! ...... i need a good seizure right now
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: Thor]
#293155 - 04/14/01 06:15 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks like some nice experiments! Please do keep us posted... So far, it seems very difficult to fruit Ps. azurescens or Ps. cyanescens indoors, yet, it is realtively easy to grow a patch outdoors. The proper environmenral conditions are essential for fruiting. Perhaps the casing should have some bacterial and plant flora, e.g. clover and grass, with Rhizobium type bacteria present, since I have only ever seen azures and cyans fruiting in outdoor soil amongst plants, alongside paths, etc. They definitely help keep the casing moist and may also have stimulatory effect on the mycelium. Cold shocking seems essential too, but that's not a problem for those of us lucky enough to live in a temperate climate:)
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 Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: aaron]
#293196 - 04/14/01 07:59 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea im up for a challenge and i'v already got my prints.
I'm thinking of using hawks magic finch seed formular, with hickory chips (the kind for bbq's) included when i steep the finch seed. Then i will spawn 2x 25litre buckets with lids containing silver birch chippings(its the only chippings available to me at the moment.).
Once they have collinized i will put one in a bed under a holly bush as a patch and the other i will case with coco fiber and grass seed and leave outside here in the north uk, so what do you think ?, will it work ?
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aaron
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: semilance]
#293379 - 04/15/01 12:48 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Look's ok, but read this if you have not seen it, some good info.there.
http://www.sporeworks.com/azure.html
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Mitchnast
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: aaron]
#293804 - 04/15/01 06:29 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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well, i won some prints. im happy. and greatful. i wont back down either, these arent going to sit on the shelf.
I went to the sporeworks page on growing azures, i pretty much knew the basics already. easy to colonize, hard to fruit indoors, easy to fruit in abundance outdoors.
i pretty much know what im going to use for bedding. i have plenty of maple birch and alder. my backyard is an acre of overgrown and dead alders surrounded by rasberry bushes.
seems whenever i see a really nice patch in the wild (in photos) its growing in this type of area. im going to draw up a few ideas and post them soon, id be happy and greatful (again) if experienced azure growers could offer their advice and knowlage, i want to do it my own way tho, trying a bit of the best with a few of my own ideas in a few different beds. then ill expand on what works best. i know its gonna work, the challenge for me lies in making it work well. ive seen alot of results, when they are big they are HUGE. buit theres alot of small success' too. im excited :) this is a privilage from god and the sporeworks :)
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: Mitchnast]
#293811 - 04/15/01 06:45 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Right on Mitchnast, I hope all the winners also partake in this challenge..... I'm ordering my spores very soon.
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Champion des Champignons
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: Mitchnast]
#293813 - 04/15/01 06:46 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yo yo yo, I'm down with the azure posse:D
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#293834 - 04/15/01 07:27 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're welcome in my outdoor bed anytime Ralphy baby;)
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#299472 - 04/23/01 03:09 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fuck. I have to do a 750 word first-draft that's due later today. Instead of doing it, I wrote this 805 word explanation of my plans to grow. I wish I could turn this in...
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: Kevin]
#299479 - 04/23/01 03:47 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Go for it....professors eat this stuff up ;)
Your technique sounds great, lets hope it works as planned.
I think its a good idea spawning the woodchips before hand...the thought of all the grain out there doesn't sound to good in regards to pests...
Is birdseed the ideal spawning substrate for this? well maybe not ideal, but does it work well? I think maybe pure grain may work better, sometimes birdseed can be a bit unpredictable. Does stamets have anything to say on this? They are similar to psi. cyan. right? what does he say for those?
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Re: The Great Azure challenge..
#299684 - 04/23/01 12:57 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea, a syringe should work fine. I'd use a syringe if I had one, but only have a print. Agar is good if you are using prints, to get a clean piece of agar to transfer, or to isolate a fruiting strain from a mushroom.
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Re: The Great Azure challenge..
#300839 - 04/24/01 06:18 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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If ya want everyone can send their results to me for proper testing!
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: firstaid]
#301633 - 04/25/01 12:42 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just got back from Seattle; set up a couple very nice cyanescens and azurescens beds. They are within 15 feet of each other, and I plan to stick a bohemica bed nearby as well.
Specs: All three cultures were CLONES :) obtained from a massively cool Shroomerite/Drooler. After a purity passage to PDA, they were each blended using a home'made' eberbach [sterilized water ~1/2 full in 3 1/2 pt jars, add a few sections of agar, screw blender base onto jar, BZZZZZZ. . . liquid inoculum]. This inoculum was poured [about 5 mL's or so] into qt BS jars. Incubating at 80, colonization complete within a week.
Alder: Little Chief brand, simmered in molasses water [10 mL molasses per gallon tap water, ala Stamets] then let the chips cool/'ferment' for about 3 days. These were then cooked at 15 PSI 1.5-2.0 hours.
The trays: alternating layers of 1/2" alder, a sprinkling of grain, forming a sandwich about 4" thick.
I would have liked to made one more expansion onto straight woodchips [dilute the grain] but didn't have time. So I spawned these biscuits [which colonized VERY quickly, may have used too much grain] into my special Seattle spot using woodchips I borrowed from a local park [they have MOUNDS, perfect size variations, non-cedar].
My biggest fear is rats, but we'll see. Each of these spots has just a bit of grass/flowers coming up here and there.
I hope it's a winner!
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: Suntzu]
#306190 - 04/30/01 08:25 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Suntzu, i'm gonna try your liquid innoculation tech onto peroxidated wood pellet fuel and use this to spawn fresh oak chips, what do you think? Whay can't you just use the liquid innoculant to innoculate pure wood chips?
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: Agarical]
#306294 - 04/30/01 10:13 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey Agarical, don't let me stop you but my experience has been that it doesn't work so well. Maybe the mycelium needs the grain for a nitrogen boost as it becomes acclamated to the wood, I really don't know.
I tried this with bohemica; all the areas that had a visible agar chunk [yeah, agar-wood transfers seem like they'd contaminate, but never has happened so far] showed some nice fuzzy recovery. Nearby chips would get a thin wispy growth, nothing I was excited about. It never really got further than this, I ended up spiking that tray with bohemica grain.
On the other hand, colonized grain jumps off to woodchips very nicely and quickly. I made a couple more of my azurescens/cyanescens sandwiches, they rebound and begin chip colonization within a couple days. This 'super spawn' [high grain content] works well to AT LEAST a three-fold expansion to larger woodchips [maybe more].
I've tried the direct liquid-woodchips route with Reishi; it worked, but it was so slow to recover I won't do that again. Stamets has that grain step in there for a good reason, it makes a big difference in both the vigor and speed of wood colonization.
BTW, the coir mixed in 1:2 with the woodchips is working fabulously for all woodlovers I've tried. The moisture of my trays looks much more uniform, mycelium from both azure and cyan is reaching deep into coir territory. Coir is the greatest thing I've come across since birdseed. So versatile, clean, perfect water holding capacity. Can't say enough.
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Re: The Great Azure challenge.. [Re: Suntzu]
#315239 - 05/11/01 09:25 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks Suntzu, i think i'm gonna try the azures on millet first to be on the safe side. I will also try the liquid innoculation too. I'll post the results soon. What brand of coir do you use?
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