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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: DoctorJ]
#2912253 - 07/21/04 12:29 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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where is the problem you have identified? Dont you think that if a corporation was running inefficiently, the guys in charge would figure it out? Corparations pay execs big bucks to make things run efficiently. If they are hireing incompitent ass kissers, thats obviously what they need for that position. SOur Grapes here IMHO. Amazing you find yourself so much more qualified to fix a company thats not hurting....
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: DoctorJ]
#2912285 - 07/21/04 12:45 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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you know your attitude is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
you mean my realist attitude? I'll take that as a compliment. If there's one trait that the business world could do without it's the whining. I'll concede that you're "smart" but you apparantly don't like to look at yourself for your failures.
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Here, I have identified a serious problem in our workforce, the occurance of which has been backed by both psychological research and the testimony of several people.
you mean the one person my two that said "hey man that happens at my place to"? well then I stand corrected. I'm saying that it takes most people years in the same company to figure things out and apparantly with your vast work experience in entry level positions you've managed to figure it all out. Did your psychological research happen to mention how the worforce tends to be just like real life? You have your assholes, losers, criminals, hard workers, slackers and defeatists, welcome to life my man.
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The impact of this problem causes decreased operational efficiency in day to day business. Taking steps to solve the problem, therefore, could increase productivity.
You keep stating that there is a problem but you don't hold anything that you do to blame. I'll go out on another limb and say that it seems that YOU are what is holding you back.
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And yet you dont want to hear it, you dont want to open your eyes and acknowledge the truth. Because what I am saying conflicts with the beliefs you hold dear, and your own bigotry keeps you from really hearing what I am saying.
it has nothing to do with not wanting to hear it as it does that you don't want to face the reality of the business world. It's like real life, only with more competition. What you say conflicts with nothing but (as I put it) reality itself. People like yourself also like to throw around the word bigotry alot which has nothing to do with this conversation nor does it coincide with any beliefs I have. Are/Where you this vocal at work?
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You've already proved your bigotry by making fun of my age.
on the contrary, I made fun of your experience level. I know what I was like when I was 23 and I can honestly state without a doubt that you haven't even scratched the surface of the business world. You may poo-poo experience (as many people in your positin do) but the fact that you probably only have 5 or less years in workforce (i'd bet less) you really don't know what you're talking about. This is an example of the work place today, brutal honesty.
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How many times have you participated in age discrimination while performing duties for the company at which you are employed?
I don't ask people their age (it's against the law), but since I know where you're trying to go with this I will say that if i'm interviewing someone that is to become an market project manager (a pretty high level position) and a young kid walks in wanting the job and he gives me aresume' with only a couple years experience in the workforce i'd have my reservations compared to a guy that's been in the industry for 10 years.
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o you really believe that age is an accurate predictor of mental fortitude past the age at which people are declared non-minors?
absolutly not, I never mentioned mental fortitude, that's why i said experience. which it looks as though you lack.
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know a few brilliant 13 year olds and a few idiotic 50 year olds that would make quick work of your statistical analysis.
That's very true, but then again I would never hire someone that was 13 because they would lack life experience, let alone work experience. I'd interview the 50 year old the same as I would anyone else and based on the qualifications for the job and the experience that taht person has. You look as though you're trying to trap me but you're not doing a very good job.
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How many ideas have you squashed because you didn't like the person from whose mind they originated? I bet you are a highly proficient manager
hmm lets see, my department has met it's goals and everyone in the office seems to get along pretty good. We have brainstorming session a couple times a week with managers and entry level employees.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: coralrives]
#2912393 - 07/21/04 01:14 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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where is the problem you have identified?
I've already stated it about 9 billion times: human psychology accurately predicts that people tend to make the wrong (in terms of productivity) decisions in certain situations. Among these situations is the hiring and promotion process, which I believe is broken in most companies, due to a more or less uniform adherence to obsolete attitudes. In other words, people are selfish and bigoted by nature, and this needs to be held firmly in check by coporate policy, otherwise people will make bad decisions in the hiring and promotion process quite predictably.
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SOur Grapes here IMHO.
hey, I'm just offering a little constructive criticism. Personally, I do not require employment to survive. But its not just me I'm worried about here, its all the other brilliant people I know who are unemployed or underemployed, and they dont exactly have any means to get the capital to 'start their own business', as some here have idealistically suggested. Some of these people are just as smart if not smarter than myself, and yet they may still not be as resourceful as I am as far as creating wealth is concerned. These people could do great work if they were given the right position, and yet many factors as meaningless as their weight, height, cultural affiliation, age, and physical appearance keep them from obtaining these positions. This is not only bad for them, but bad for the businesses who have denied themselves of these people's talent. This problem is unacceptable and must be solved, in the interest of a more just and productive society. You must understand that discrimination takes many forms, and we have only begun to understand the impact of ineffective schemas on the workplace.
I do not blame other people for my failures. To tell you the truth, I havent had many. I've never been terminated from employment against my will. I simply dont put up with bullshit from my employers. In other words, I treat employment as a mutual exchange; when an employer pisses me off by not compensating me adequately, I deprive them of my services from that point forward. If any of the self-professed libertarians treated employment the way I do, they would probably all be unemployed. Because the fact of the matter is that employers are constantly trying to get more out of their employees than they are willing to pay for. I will not accept this. Right now the job market in this country is like a super market filled with moldy fruit; I dont want to buy anything. Instead, I will work for myself, doing ethical work consisting of mutual exchange between individuals, in which I am paid well for a job well done.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Phred]
#2912396 - 07/21/04 01:16 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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No pinky, I was not at work when I posted that.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Evolving]
#2912409 - 07/21/04 01:19 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Evolving said: Still wet behind the ears and knows everything...
Put down that sugary soda, get your teeth fixed, realize that your attitude WILL be picked up on by other people even though you think you're hiding it. Contrary to what your inflated ego tells you, you are not the pinnacle of human evolution. Your inability to get a position is YOUR inability to get a position - quit blaming everybody else. Grow some balls and stop your whining. Who ever promised you that everything would be handed to you on a silver platter? Life's not easy, deal with it!
sadly, that's too large to be my new quote...
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: afoaf]
#2912424 - 07/21/04 01:24 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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i'm seeing him post all these "a matter of fact" stats like how business psychology works, the hiring process (which I doubt he's ever done), how everyones biggots and the problems that are apparant in all businesses (without doing a study of these companies.)
I'm amazed beyond words.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Innvertigo]
#2912521 - 07/21/04 01:56 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I get it now. Tell your Dad thanks everyday for alowing you to be part of the trust fund.... You sound like the psuedo hippies I used to run into in Key West all the time when I lived down there. They would all have the long hair, scruffy face and clothes and sit on the streets banging their bongos. The would sit and eschew the American "INstitution" and THE MAN and talk of how this country was shit. Then, when they ran out of money, they would call home and have their momies talk their brain surgeon dadies into sending more money so they could suffer with the masses for a bit longer. It was hillarious. Lots of Psuedo Dead Heads like that too.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: coralrives]
#2912578 - 07/21/04 02:10 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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how hard is it for you to learn how to use the quick reply?
even a long haired pretenda-hippie trustafarian can use the quick reply button correctly, why can't you?
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Innvertigo]
#2912583 - 07/21/04 02:12 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm saying that it takes most people years in the same company to figure things out and apparantly with your vast work experience in entry level positions you've managed to figure it all out.
I am not 'most people'. And the majority of people intelligent enough to have an interest in this forum are not 'most people' either.
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Did your psychological research happen to mention how the worforce tends to be just like real life? You have your assholes, losers, criminals, hard workers, slackers and defeatists, welcome to life my man.
'that's life', 'get over it', 'life is unfair'
I've heard all these things many times before, and they are cop-outs. You speak of taking responsibility? I take responsibility and recognize that life is what we make of it. Its people like you who make excuses and say: 'That's life, what are you gonna do?' 
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People like yourself also like to throw around the word bigotry alot which has nothing to do with this conversation nor does it coincide with any beliefs I have.
bigotry has everything to do with this discussion. I'm talking about unjust grounds of discrimination that employers use to screen applicants. Its not just about race, literally anything can and will be used against you. I'm willing to bet that an alarmingly high number of decisions to hire and promote are not based in logic, merit, or even corporate interest. They are based in the personal predjudices of the one making the decision to hire, which may or may not be in line with what the position requires.
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You keep stating that there is a problem but you don't hold anything that you do to blame.
that is because I have refused to be a part of the problem by refusing to work for companies that practice these asinine policies. Which is most of them. I guess your wife and kids keep you from having the balls to make a similar stand. Fear of starvation is an especially powerful psychological weapon when used by an employer on his employee, especially if that employee has a family. Oops.
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Are/Where you this vocal at work?
Not really. IRL, I mainly tend to speak with my actions and my money, not my mouth. Speaking with your mouth rarely does any good.
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on the contrary, I made fun of your experience level. I know what I was like when I was 23 and I can honestly state without a doubt that you haven't even scratched the surface of the business world.
dude, that is the fucking definition of bigotry right there. You have made assumptions about who I am based on your own life experiences, which bear no relevance to who I am.
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You may poo-poo experience (as many people in your positin do) but the fact that you probably only have 5 or less years in workforce (i'd bet less) you really don't know what you're talking about.
wrong again, I got a job the day I turned 15, so I could buy my first car, my first computer, and my first bag of pot. Before that I mowed lawns and did chores around the neighborhood for money. Yeah, my parents are rich, but they're also libertarians, and they have used that philosophy in the raising of their children. Daddy didnt buy me shit, I've had to earn everything for as long as I can remember.
as for your estimation that I have not spent enough time in the workplace to figure out how it operates, well that seems all based on personal bias to me. How do you know how fast I learn? How do you know how observant I am? Some people see more and learn faster. Some people have focus at a young age. Just because your only concern at my age was chasing pussy around doesnt mean I am the same way. Again, please try to consider your own personal bias when making statements like this.
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I will say that if i'm interviewing someone that is to become an market project manager (a pretty high level position) and a young kid walks in wanting the job and he gives me aresume' with only a couple years experience in the workforce i'd have my reservations compared to a guy that's been in the industry for 10 years.
seems to me you would be ommitting the factor of recency of education. Colleges are better now than they were 10 years ago. (They are certainly more expensive) Everyday technology is more advanced now than 10 years ago. That dude with 10 years of experience probably grew up watching black and white television. I grew up surfing the internet. You really think that old geezer is more qualified than me You dont know how many "experienced" business people I have had to teach how to use MS office 
sorry, but my position is one of a child who constantly corrects his parents and elders from making stupid mistakes when it comes to everything from driving to computers. They know damn well that I am more suited to this world than them, which indeed is as it should be: its called 'evolution'. anyway, experience doesnt always equal capability. And besides, if you are going to factor in experience that heavily, why not acknowledge the fact that I was using sophisticated technology at an age as early as 5? I grew up with technology, and it enhanced my early cognitive development in ways you cant understand given the timeframe into which you were born. In other words, what I'm saying is: "Anything you can do, I can do better" :p (unless of course its something that involves obsolete technology, like cranking a record player or starting a fire with flint and steel )
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: afoaf]
#2912596 - 07/21/04 02:16 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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trustafarian, now thats great!
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: coralrives]
#2912616 - 07/21/04 02:23 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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sorry to burst your bubble, but I have short hair, dress conservatively, I fucking hate hippies AND the Greatful Dead, and I have no trust fund. The amount of non tax-write-offable monetary help my parents have given me since they kicked me out of the house at age 18: $0.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: DoctorJ]
#2912625 - 07/21/04 02:26 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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And what does Linda Ronstadt think of your capabilities?
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Evolving]
#2912701 - 07/21/04 02:46 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Evolving said: Still wet behind the ears and knows everything...
Put down that sugary soda, get your teeth fixed, realize that your attitude WILL be picked up on by other people even though you think you're hiding it. Contrary to what your inflated ego tells you, you are not the pinnacle of human evolution. Your inability to get a position is YOUR inability to get a position - quit blaming everybody else. Grow some balls and stop your whining. Who ever promised you that everything would be handed to you on a silver platter? Life's not easy, deal with it!
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: afoaf]
#2912705 - 07/21/04 02:48 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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sadly, that's too large to be my new quote...
No, it's not.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Phred]
#2912728 - 07/21/04 02:55 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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meh, I dunno 
but for someone to be fired over something so inane and trivial is just stupid.
I mean, she dedicated a song to a fellow artist and praised one work of his in particular. I didn't even see it as a political statement, more like an artistic homage.
the decision to terminate her employment for this reason was sensationalist and irrational, and I predict it will ultimately result in more problems than it solved for the business. Now, if they had fired her for some other reason, ie: she sucks, then I would have had no problem with that 
And yes, I would feel the same way if she had dedicated the song to Rush Limbaugh and his book "The Way Things Ought to Be".
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: DoctorJ]
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I am not 'most people'. And the majority of people intelligent enough to have an interest in this forum are not 'most people' either.
I'll try to avoid saying how smart or unsmart you are (you've said it about a hundred times)but you haven't a clue about what happens in the business world. Your generalizations are off and based on your extremely short work experience. Quote:
'that's life', 'get over it', 'life is unfair' I've heard all these things many times before,
yet you still don't adapt. Humans and other higher life forms exist because they adapt. It seems as though you're unwilling to adapt and as a little dose of reality for you, if you don't adapt in the business world, you don't exist. Quote:
You speak of taking responsibility? I take responsibility and recognize that life is what we make of it.
no you don't. You've said it yourself of the biggotry, cronyism, and other bad traights businesses have as the reason you haven't got anywhere. You're starting to lie to yourself. sad. Quote:
Its people like you who make excuses and say: 'That's life, what are you gonna do?'
yeah but I don't give up like you, I adapt. I say "that sucks" then I think of ways and things I can do to avoid getting myself into that position again. I use my brain. Quote:
bigotry has everything to do with this discussion. I'm talking about unjust grounds of discrimination that employers use to screen applicants.
how would you know? Was your last job responsibility screening candidates for hire? I'm not naive enough to think that it never happens, like I said the work environment often represents what goes on in life. You claim to have all this vast knowledge with absolutly no background in it. Even someone as smart as you would know that that's rediculous. Quote:
Its not just about race, literally anything can and will be used against you.
Then what is it? If you go into an interview that requires you to dress up, do you go into it wearing sweats and a greatful dead t-shirt? I'm sorry but there are rules in this game, if you don't want to play by them do something in life where you don't need to follow others (you call this idealistic, I call it adaptation). Quote:
I'm willing to bet that an alarmingly high number of decisions to hire and promote are not based in logic, merit, or even corporate interest.
Possibly, what do you base this on? Quote:
Which is most of them. I guess your wife and kids keep you from having the balls to make a similar stand
HA, no my wife is quite happy with where I am professionally and fiscally (I have no kids). I'm not comfortable with you talking about my balls. Quote:
fear of starvation is an especially powerful psychological weapon when used by an employer on his employee, especially if that employee has a family. Oops.
I don't fear starvation because I can adapt. I've been laid off before and found another job, actually it worked out to be the best job i've ever had. Quote:
Not really. IRL, I mainly tend to speak with my actions and my money, not my mouth. Speaking with your mouth rarely does any good.
Like quitting the job? how noble. Quote:
wrong again, I got a job the day I turned 15, so I could buy my first car, my first computer, and my first bag of pot. Before that I mowed lawns and did chores around the neighborhood for money. Yeah, my parents are rich, but they're also libertarians, and they have used that philosophy in the raising of their children. Daddy didnt buy me shit, I've had to earn everything for as long as I can remember
I was referring to a professional environment. Cutting lawns is a good job when your a kid or you run a lawncare business but doesn't give you experience in office politics. Quote:
Just because your only concern at my age was chasing pussy around doesnt mean I am the same way.
actually at your age I was in the Army and attending college while chasing pussy. I'm making assumptions about you based on the amount of people I see in the workplace relative to the experience they have. I can say without hesitation (barring the occasional business prodigy)that you lack alot to make educated decisions in the business world based on what info you have provided. Quote:
dude, that is the fucking definition of bigotry right there.
well in an interview you give a resume of your experience, it's not bigotry at all. If a 10 year old came into my office and wanted to be a project manager i'd definatly question his/her abilities. Quote:
seems to me you would be ommitting the factor of recency of education. Colleges are better now than they were 10 years ago.
I was leaving education out since you have none. as for being better, that's debateable. More technical perhaps, but not better. I was in College 10 years ago and I was also in school in 2001. Quote:
That dude with 10 years of experience probably grew up watching black and white television. I grew up surfing the internet. You really think that old geezer is more qualified than me You dont know how many "experienced" business people I have had to teach how to use MS office
I don't even know how to respond to something that stupid. Quote:
sorry, but my position is one of a child who constantly corrects his parents and elders from making stupid mistakes when it comes to everything from driving to computers. They know damn well that I am more suited to this world than them, which indeed is as it should be: its called 'evolution'.
and you say you're not full of yourself? I'd suggest removing the word "Doctor" from your user name. Quote:
anyway, experience doesnt always equal capability.
never said it does, But it's an indicator to go by. The aplicant still has to open his/her mouth. Quote:
Anything you can do, I can do better
I'll take that bet. I have a job and can keep it, can you?
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Innvertigo]
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I don't even know how to respond to something that stupid.
Like this.....
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2912776 - 07/21/04 03:10 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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that emo should be renamed to
:youmustbejoking,dumbass:
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2912777 - 07/21/04 03:11 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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If this is our future, we're fucked.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: afoaf]
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See if you can arrange it. It'll still be usefull no matter what it's called.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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