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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: trendal]
#2909138 - 07/20/04 03:31 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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it's a private business so they have every right to escort her out of the building!
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
#2909146 - 07/20/04 03:33 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Swami said: Doesn't matter that she was a paid performer, the casino still has the right to eject you if they don't like what you say at the craps table or buffet line.
If you agree with that statement, then we have nothing more to argue about in this thread, do we?
If you don't agree with that idea, then can you please explain to me why it is inappropriate for private businesses to escort people who pose an immediate or perceived threat to the safety of others off their premises?
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
#2909155 - 07/20/04 03:34 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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who's rights have been violated here?
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: trendal]
#2909182 - 07/20/04 03:40 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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You're just going to end up with a bunch of people bitching that "oh...it's a private business so they have every right to escort her out of the building!"
Yup, you were right.
It is always fine if it happens to someone else; just like a LEGAL drug bust where one LEGALLY gets put away for decades.
I didn't realize so many here were such law-abiding citizens in full support of all laws because they are LEGAL.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: afoaf]
#2909200 - 07/20/04 03:45 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hundreds of angry fans streamed from the theater as Ronstadt sang. Some of them reportedly defaced posters of her in the lobby, writing comments and tossing drinks on her pictures.
The vandals were not escorted out. An opinion must be worse than damaging property.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
#2909205 - 07/20/04 03:47 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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A lot of those jerk offs were specifically told not to pull any of that stuff at the Oscars. I don't know about the other shows. Listen, this idiot was paid to entertain the clientelle with her singing. The clientelle was there to have a nice evening's escape from reality, a vacation after all. She pissed off a great many of them, who stormed out and threw drinks in their anger at being denied what they had paid for, which was AN ESCAPE. Maybe you'd like it if someone tried to bum you out on a trip with an excess dose of reality.
The owner of the place might agree with her 100% but he still has to answer to his customers. "The customer is always right."
I get paid to build houses. If I suddenly decide to make paper dolls instead I will expect not to be paid. Have my rights to make paper dolls been suppressed?
And another thing, why didn't you mention the customer reaction in your initial post. Seems deceptive and misleading to me, son of Moore.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
#2909217 - 07/20/04 03:50 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I didn't realize so many here were such law-abiding citizens in full support of all laws because they are LEGAL.
drug laws violate rights. i know of no right to be provided with a hotel venue in las vegas at which to perform.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
#2909228 - 07/20/04 03:52 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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how do you know that none of the vandals were escorted out, fined or otherwise?
because the article dudn't say doesn't count.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Evolving]
#2909237 - 07/20/04 03:55 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
#2909238 - 07/20/04 03:55 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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if all you are doing is criticizing the casino for their decision, i have to say i agree with you. i don't agree with what they did.
i guess i just assumed (incorrectly?) that you are suggesting that this is somehow a crime, or a violation of ronstadt's rights, or a cue for some kind of government action. if you are suggesting that, i must disagree.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: zappaisgod]
#2909247 - 07/20/04 03:59 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Son of Moore? Ha! ha! Just like the false assumptions about Linda. Amazing how so many here are so wrong so often. Never read a Moore book, speech or movie; nor do I have any inclination to do so.
*FLASH* Ronstadt story just on Fox News: announcer says perhaps if she had performed Blue Bayou instead of making politicial comments...
Did you go to the same school of illogic?
If I suddenly decide to make paper dolls instead I will expect not to be paid. *Yawn* (Strawman argument). She did NOT do something instead; she performed her material (INCLUDING BLUE BAYOU). Most all artists actually talk to the audience during a concert. This is nothing new.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
#2909261 - 07/20/04 04:05 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Explain to me how this qualifies as politics, activism, or law.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#2909311 - 07/20/04 04:18 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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A PAL moderator who does not know what law is - that's special.
Here we go again:
Webster:
law ( P ) Pronunciation Key (l?) n. A rule of conduct or procedure established by custom, agreement, or authority.
This news item certainly reflected a rule of conduct established by an authority.
*Swami wanders off to the MENSA website*
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
#2909373 - 07/20/04 04:38 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think you are mistaken about what Ronstadt was hired to do. She was hired to provide a diversion for the clientelle, a mindless vacation musical interlude. See my comment about someone spoiling one of your trips with excess reality. It was an entirely inappropriate venue for this stuff and the paying customers didn't appreciate it.
The son of Moore comment had nothing to do with whether you have read his books or seen his movies or sucked his dick. It was about you leaving out relevant information to make a point not actually supported by facts.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: zappaisgod]
#2909455 - 07/20/04 05:18 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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So far I have not got a single response to any of my pointed questions.
1. Have other entertainers made political comments before without being booted?
2. What if she had said "Let's support our troops", and the audience had rioted?
3. What if her comments elicited very little reaction?
4. Was she supposed to know that the audience would react in a rowdy manner? (She is a singer not a psychic.)
TIA
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
#2909479 - 07/20/04 05:31 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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before i take the time to answer those questions... would you please clear up precisely where you stand on this?
are you merely objecting to the conduct of the casino, or are you suggesting that her rights were violated and this is cause for government action against the casino?
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
#2909513 - 07/20/04 05:44 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Swami said: So far I have not got a single response to any of my pointed questions.
1. Have other entertainers made political comments before without being booted?
It doesn't matter. The casino is private property and the operators/owners may decide to do business with whomever they wish.
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2. What if she had said "Let's support our troops", and the audience had rioted?
Then the operators/owners would probably be wise to take the same action.
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3. What if her comments elicited very little reaction?
Then the operators/owners would probably be wise to take no action and continue to collect gate receipts (assuming she was pulling in enough to make her appearences profitable).
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4. Was she supposed to know that the audience would react in a rowdy manner? (She is a singer not a psychic.)
Irrelevant. The casino is private property and the operators/owners may decide to do business with whomever they wish. If they feel that her continued presence would be bad for business, it would be unwise to keep her as an act.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
#2909515 - 07/20/04 05:45 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Swami said: So far I have not got a single response to any of my pointed questions.
1. Have other entertainers made political comments before without being booted?
At the Alladin or just in general?
2. What if she had said "Let's support our troops", and the audience had rioted?
What if I could see alternate realities?
3. What if her comments elicited very little reaction?
We probably wouldn't be here right now.
4. Was she supposed to know that the audience would react in a rowdy manner? (She is a singer not a psychic.)
Based on the various write ups of the event, including their detail of her political lean, I imagine that she knew that she wasn't taking the middle road on this one and was bound to offend someone...if not her least favorite...the right wing religious conservative republicon
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: ]
#2909519 - 07/20/04 05:47 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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are you merely objecting to the conduct of the casino
Yes. It sets a precedent. There is nothing stopping the clientele from rioting during Jay Leno's act even if they are expecting political humor. The rioters should be expelled, if anyone.
Hell, the Godfather of Las Vegas, Frank Sinatra, used to do scathing anti-racism diatribes during his singing act (to protest the way Sammy Davis Jr. was treated) that pissed off many fans.
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
#2909530 - 07/20/04 05:49 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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That was Frank, not some two-bit washed up pop star.
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