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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2908716 - 07/20/04 01:53 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Swami said:
Ronstadt sucks musical dick.

*Swami wonders how evolving knows about musical dick...*



I have a musical dick, Linda called it an 'oversized skin flute,' but I wouldn't let her touch it. She did however, play Ronnie James Dio's wind instrument at the same party.


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2908721 - 07/20/04 01:56 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

LOL, what a boob. I was simply stating, (So you could keep up oh great philosopher of the shroomery, that Free speech isnt all you may think it is. It is not absolute. And as posted above, she may have ticked off the crowd to the point of inciting problems. This debate really has NOTHING to do with the first amendment now does it?


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2908723 - 07/20/04 01:57 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Oh and splain to me how this is fascism again would ya genius?


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: coralrives]
    #2908733 - 07/20/04 02:00 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I was simply stating that Free speech isnt all you may think it is.

Why not first ask another poster what they think something is instead of incorrectly guessing?


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2908744 - 07/20/04 02:04 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Like you assuming I dont like anal retentivness?

BTW I believe your peach story, thats kinda funny....


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: coralrives]
    #2908748 - 07/20/04 02:05 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Oh and splain to me how this is fascism again would ya genius?

Do you mean to explain the definition? OK, I will pretend you do NOT have internet access and a search engine or incapable of using such.  :rolleyes:

Webster condensed:

Fascism: suppression of the opposition through censorship.


A view opposed to that of the owner was suppressed. Not too difficult, eh?


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Offlinecoralrives
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2908757 - 07/20/04 02:08 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

OK, lets get technical. How is this censorship you peanut? Censorship has to be performed by THE GOVERNMENT. tHIS WAS IN no WAY SHAPE OR FORM CENSORSHIP OR FASCISM. I got a search engine. Lets go


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2908778 - 07/20/04 02:14 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
A view opposed to that of the owner was suppressed.



No, the owner merely refused to provide a forum for LR's views. She is still free to express her views at her own expense of at the expense of those who wish to help her.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: coralrives]
    #2908779 - 07/20/04 02:14 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Am I a peanut or a genius? *Swami gets confused* If you put the two together does that make me a peanius?


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2908800 - 07/20/04 02:19 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Am I a peanut or a genius? *Swami gets confused* If you put the two together does that make me a peanius?





A genut?


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Evolving]
    #2908877 - 07/20/04 02:37 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Webster:

suppress: To curtail or prohibit the activities of.


Doesn't say that suppression must include all possible places for all time. Her activities were certainly curtailed; i.e. cut short; of the planned activities.

P.S. I am buying dictionaries for all shroomery members for Christmas (or at least sending them a link to an online dictionary.)

Casinos have the right to eject anyone at any time for any reason. Can you imagine microphones on the slots:

Dispatcher: Security, see the man, Caucasian 70s, on slot machine #357. He was overheard saying that he thought Kerry was an uptight, self-serving proletariat. Please escort him out.


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2908935 - 07/20/04 02:50 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Linda Ronstadt, one of America's most popular vocalists for over three decades



:wtf:


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: afoaf]
    #2908970 - 07/20/04 02:57 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't see why these artists insist on injecting so much of their politics into their shows



I'm with you.

While it's their right, I'd just as soon they all shut the fuck up and do what they are being paid to do. Perform.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2909001 - 07/20/04 03:03 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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if you read the rest of the article you would see that
she practically incited a riot at the show.




:thumbup: exactly.  thats what i was going to say.  read the whole article, swami put it pretty biasedly at the beginning: http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/#3
she's supposed to be an entertainer, but instead of making the casino's guests happy, she extremly angered a lot of them.  thus she miserably failed at her job and should be fired.

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Now lets' imagine the reaction if she said, "I dedicate this song to all our troops in Iraq" and the owner was a pacifist and escorted her out of the building. O'Reilly and Limbaugh would be foaming-at-the-mouth. Wait, that is redundant...




so let me get this straight.  you're justifying your reaction because you think limbaugh would do the same thing if the situation was reversed? :wtf: WWLD [What Would Limbaugh Do?]

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Tao]
    #2909016 - 07/20/04 03:06 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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WWLD



:rotfl:


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2909034 - 07/20/04 03:10 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Webster:

suppress: To curtail or prohibit the activities of.




suppress:
1. suppress, stamp down, inhibit, subdue, conquer, curb -- (to put down by force or authority; "suppress a nascent uprising"; "stamp down on littering"; "conquer one's desires")
2. oppress, suppress, crush -- (come down on or keep down by unjust use of one's authority; "The government oppresses political activists")
3. bottle up, suppress -- (control and refrain from showing; of emotions)
4. restrain, suppress, keep, keep back, hold back -- (keep under control; keep in check; "suppress a smile"; "Keep your temper"; "keep your cool")
5. suppress, repress -- (put out of one's consciousness)

Is it your contention that unless a property owner allows anyone and everyone to use his property as a forum to express ideas which he disagrees with that the owner is suppressing free speech? Sorry, but I'm calling BULLSHIT. Failure to provide support for something or someone that one does not agree with is not the same as suppression. Ms. Ronsdadt is still free to express herself, should we force the Aladdin to provide a forum for her we would be supressing property rights, forcing the Aladdin to subsidize her speech.


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Tao]
    #2909043 - 07/20/04 03:12 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Let's get this straight: How many performers over the years do you think offered a political opinion at their show? Of those performers, how many were escorted off the stage? This is extremely rare and hence why it is "news".

(Some of) you guys act as if this is the first performer to ever do such a thing or whether it's relevant that it was Ronstadt or a more current artist.


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Evolving]
    #2909074 - 07/20/04 03:18 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

It was a dedication. Guess everyone should be escorted out of the Grammys and Emmys and Oscars if they make a dedication to an unpopular person or a person that the venue owner doesn't like.

Perhaps they should be given a list of whom it is acceptable to make a dedication to up front so as to to do the "right thing".


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Tao]
    #2909103 - 07/20/04 03:24 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Doesn't matter that she was a paid performer, the casino still has the right to eject you if they don't like what you say at the craps table or buffet line.


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2909109 - 07/20/04 03:25 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

or maybe they should consider first what type of reaction
they seek or can expect from the crowd and act accordingly.

TTC hit the nail right on the head, she cause a disturbance
with her *dedication* (if, in fact, that's all it was)

To avoid further problems, they gave her the boot.

This isn't the crime of the century...if anything, it should be
a lesson in `don't bite the hand that feeds you`.

Peronal opinion is one thing, shitting where you eat is another.


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