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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2910131 - 07/20/04 08:33 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2910182 - 07/20/04 08:45 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

That makes sense. She voluntarily takes a show that she does not want to do.

I believe she was paid I don't think she did this for her health.

Yet another poster with a severe reading disorder.

Naw dude I am just fuckin with ya since your real favs MJ.

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Meat_Log_Smurf]
    #2910198 - 07/20/04 08:49 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Hmmm. Las Vegas Review-Journal, you say? Should be checkable -- at least by folks who live in or near Las Vegas.

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Phred]
    #2910228 - 07/20/04 08:57 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

I would check it out at the public library, but don't know how to search a paper without a date and a section; else it is just heresay.

BTW, no one seems to care that the vast majority of the audience did not boo and were disrupted by a minority (of probably semi-drunk pro-Bushites).


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2910327 - 07/20/04 09:18 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Swami said- BTW, no one seems to care that the vast majority of the audience did not boo and were disrupted by a minority (of probably semi-drunk pro-Bushites).

CNN says-About a quarter of the 4,500 people in the audience got up and left before the performance had finished, Gorgon said.

Hmmm.. 1/4 of 4,500 is 1125. Pardon me but thats alot of people. Whether they were Bush supporters or not its still alot of people. Maybe they were there to have a good time and didn't want to hear someone throw there political ideologies at them why they were thinking about what slot machine they were going to hit when they got out of the show. Either way I think its absolutely hilarious that this gets your panties in a wad. Anyway I have yet to see Far. 911 so I won't comment on it but if its anything like his other movies I will demand my $ back. Lets not forget he started out as a comedian.

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2910352 - 07/20/04 09:24 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Uh huh. We know the date the concert was held, right? And it was just a single gig, right? I don't even know if the paper in question is a daily or a weekly, but it likely wouldn't take all that much time to review even a daily paper for a review of an upcoming concert. How far back would you have to go? Less than a month, surely.

As for the "vast majority" not booing, now you are really reaching. The fact remains that a significant number of paying customers were upset. All accounts I have read so far say there was more involved than mere booing.

Besides, I repeat again -- this has nothing to do with politics. It has nothing to do with the "climate" of the times or "corporate fascism" or any Republican government conspiracy. It is a simple case of a performer offending an audience and the reaction of the person who paid for the concert to that offense.

We can argue over whether the action of the casino management is likely to mollify those who were pissed off to a greater extent than it will upset those who weren't -- for example there will undoubtedly be some in the audience who may not return to the Aladdin Casino because they are Moore fans and agree completely with Ronstadt's comments. But we would then be discussing business judgment rather than political affairs.

I seem to recall a recent post in the Spirituality and Philosophy forum asking if facts and data mean nothing to those with rigid and blinkered preconceptions. Does the datum that Ronstadt had the intent of pissing off the casino even before the performance began mean nothing to you?

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Phred]
    #2910391 - 07/20/04 09:36 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Besides, I repeat again -- this has nothing to do with politics.
A political comment has nothing to do with politics? OK, you got me there.

And a religious comment has nothing to do with religion? (How am I doing so far?)

Does the datum that Ronstadt had the intent of pissing off the casino even before the performance began mean nothing to you?
Maybe if she had polled the 4500 audience members and management ahead of time and knew it would spark the crowd. I have heard similar comments cheered in other venues.

I think you are just jealous that this thread has easily beat out all other threads today in readership/response ratio and total responses (even if many were mine.)


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2910426 - 07/20/04 09:47 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

You are hilarious.

This is a non-issue.

I repeat (I seem to have to do a lot of that in this thread) -- Ronstadt was not chastised for her political views, she was chastised for pissing off the audience. The fact that she pissed them off through a political comment rather than an improptu striptease or a racist comment is completely irrelevant to what occurred -- the audience (or a significant portion thereof) got pissed off.

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Phred]
    #2910458 - 07/20/04 09:52 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

I repeat (I seem to have to do a lot of that in this thread)

Have to? You have no free will (just like the audience)?


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2910641 - 07/20/04 10:35 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

What law was involved then Einstein?

Which law are we talking about here?


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2911222 - 07/21/04 02:35 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

So whens this useless circle jerk of a thread going to get locked?

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Barbi]
    #2911233 - 07/21/04 02:45 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Fuck off mnd, can't you see I'm singling someone else out right now.

Your turn will come back around soon enough. :stoned:


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2911244 - 07/21/04 02:53 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Man, I cant even side with the mods on how this isnt PAL material without getting threatened!

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Swami]
    #2911366 - 07/21/04 05:25 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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I think you are just jealous that this thread has easily beat out all other threads today in readership/response ratio and total responses (even if many were mine.) 




HA HA...yep we are all jealous of you.  The reason there are so many responses is that your views are so easy to refute.  Each word you write the more circular your argument becomes. :thumbup:


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2911608 - 07/21/04 08:29 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

round and round we go...where we stop, only B_H knows...


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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: trendal]
    #2911631 - 07/21/04 08:39 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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trendal said:
You're just going to end up with a bunch of people bitching that "oh...it's a private business so they have every right to escort her out of the building!" :smirk:






Its crap like this which keeps private businesses from utilizing brilliant minds like mine.  I've been fired over shit like this before, and thats one of the reasons I've chosen to invest my intelligence against these businesses instead of in their support. 

hmph.  their loss.  I'll be laughing when businesses like that fail because they are only willing to employ those people who are so dumb that they are incapable of forming an opinion.  I hope those entreprenuers starve to death and eliminate their bigotry from the gene pool.

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2911641 - 07/21/04 08:48 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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Its crap like this which keeps private businesses from utilizing brilliant minds like mine.




I hope you're being sarcastic.

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I've been fired over shit like this before, and thats one of the reasons I've chosen to invest my intelligence against these businesses instead of in their support.


 
:what:

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hmph. their loss. I'll be laughing when businesses like that fail because they are only willing to employ those people who are so dumb that they are incapable of forming an opinion. I hope those entreprenuers starve to death and eliminate their bigotry from the gene pool.



:what:

I really wanted to write more but your post left me speechless, in a bad way.

Edit: you have a right to not go to these places now and talking against them because while they exercised their first amendment rights they have to also remember that it also has consequences.  They will lose out on your business.


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Edited by Innvertigo (07/21/04 08:52 AM)

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2911872 - 07/21/04 10:09 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

remember in Atlas Shrugged, when all the smart people quit their jobs, and nuclear physicists were working in coffee shops?

Its happening now.

businesses dont want intelligent people of principle working for them. Most would rather hire morons, feed them and clothe them, foster their breeding. Breed an entire army of idiots that will do unethical work for peanuts because they are so easily controlled via their emotions.

meanwhile, people like me cant find work, we starve to death, and the evolution of the human fenome continues its downward spiral.

that my friend, is the master plan.

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2911913 - 07/21/04 10:25 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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remember in Atlas Shrugged, when all the smart people quit their jobs, and nuclear physicists were working in coffee shops?

Its happening now.




Not in my profession it isn't (and i'm sure in most professions as well).

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businesses dont want intelligent people of principle working for them.




Wrong, I do some hiring and this is exactly what we look for.  We want the candidate that can grasp all aspects of the job they are applying for.  Who told you that businesses don't want smart people?  That's just rediculous.

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Most would rather hire morons, feed them and clothe them, foster their breeding. Breed an entire army of idiots that will do unethical work for peanuts because they are so easily controlled via their emotions.





you sound VERY bitter.  Have you ever been in a professional environment?  This couldn't be further from the truth.

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meanwhile, people like me cant find work, we starve to death, and the evolution of the human fenome continues its downward spiral. 




noone has a right to a job.  It seems your attitude is what's stopping you from being hired.  You claim to have a  brilliant mind yet you blame your short commings on people within the business world.  A business is there to make it's product and make a profit (which is not evil).  A business has a direction and if you're not willing to go in that direction you can either kiss your ass goodbye or enjoy your brilliant mind in a low level, low risk position with low pay.  I'd suggest you read "The 7 Habits of Highly Successful People", it will probably help you.

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that my friend, is the master plan.




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Re: Linda Ronstadt booted from Aladdin [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2911968 - 07/21/04 10:46 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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Not in my profession it isn't (and i'm sure in most professions as well).





perhaps your perception of this matter has been skewed by your involvement in it. 

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Wrong, I do some hiring and this is exactly what we look for. We want the candidate that can grasp all aspects of the job they are applying for. Who told you that businesses don't want smart people? That's just rediculous.





no one had to 'tell me'; its something I've learned from experience and observation.  Spare me the recitation of you HR department's mission statement; you know damn well that often what a company says it does and what the company actually does are two different things. 

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you sound VERY bitter. Have you ever been in a professional environment? This couldn't be further from the truth.





I think we've covered this before.  I have had many jobs from cashier to office work.  Most businesses seem to function the same, not because of the similarity in coporate structure or anything like that, but primarily because of similarity in basic human psychology.  People are generally threatened by intelligence, or anything else too far off the belle curve.  People tend to fear things that are different from them, and this basic human psychological trait effects the workplace in ways you cant imagine. 

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noone has a right to a job. It seems your attitude is what's stopping you from being hired. 




indeed it is.  apparently curioisity, adherance to reason, and dynamic nonconformity are not things the corporate world looks for in its employees. 

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You claim to have a brilliant mind yet you blame your short commings on people within the business world.




Oh, dont worry about me, mes amis.  I can take care of myself just fine, employment or no.  Its everyone else I'm worried about.  You see I've come to depend on businesses for my standard of living, and I wouldnt want them to collapse because they hired a bunch of idiots instead of a 'loose cannon' such as myself. 

my skills could have been a great asset to this country, but instead they will be turned against it.  Dont worry about me.  Worry about yourself. 

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A business has a direction and if you're not willing to go in that direction you can either kiss your ass goodbye or enjoy your brilliant mind in a low level, low risk position with low pay.




Is it so hard for you to grasp the idea that I might be an asset to a company, yet still be a detriment to an individual within that company?  Perhaps an individual who holds the fate of my employment in his hands, and wouldn't hesitate to use that power in order to save his own skin, for better or worse for the company? 

 
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I'd suggest you read "The 7 Habits of Highly Successful People", it will probably help you.





:lol:

dude, you are such a tool. 

"You're a starve and a snitch
you suck like a leech
You want everyone to act like you
kiss ass like a bitch
so you can get rich
but your boss gets richer off you.

you'll work harder with a gun in your back
for a bowl of rice a day
slave for soldiers till you starve
and your head is skewered on a stake."

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