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 SweepHand
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 Lion's mane -- all in one bags 
#29083702 - 01/10/25 02:15 PM (8 days, 12 hours ago) |
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From reading around the forums I get the impression that all in one bags aren't eld in high regard here. Well I (stupidly?) purchased some of them along with a Lion's Mane LC syringe prior to spending time here. The woman at the supply shop was very nice and helpful and knowledgeable seeming, and she suggested that the easy way to grow Lion's Mane with the stuff they had on the shelf was with the all in one bags. I've just inoculated a couple of the bags a few days ago, and I'm already forgetting some of the tips she gave me.
Should I keep the flap of the bag taped down over the injection site? The filter is on the inside of the flap too, so I worry that might limit airflow. Is that okay or should I fold the flap the other way to expose the filter patch?
And she said to let the grain layers get to 40% or so colonization with mycelium then mix the grain evenly with the substrate and let colonization proceed. Sound okay so far?
And then when the bag is fully colonized I should cut a slit in one side of the bag. Where should that slit be? Near the top of the colonized substrate?
She also said I could likely get another flush by repeating the above with a slit on the other side after that first harvest. Do I need to add any moisture to help that second flush?
Thanks for any help!
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Re: Lion's mane -- all in one bags [Re: SweepHand]
#29083815 - 01/10/25 03:53 PM (8 days, 10 hours ago) |
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Which flap are you talking about? Are you talking about the top end of the bag? Post pics
The injection site should have been through a self healing port made of a rubbery silicone area. It should be self healing.
For best results, the air exchange filter should not be obstructed, but doesnt need to be totally unimpeded, and free flowing. The material inside of the bag should not make contact with the filter. The filter should not get wet.
I have had some success with making my own AIO bags, but sometimes i have had a difficult time getting the grain to colonize.
One of the reasons why people here dont like AIO bags, from what i can tell, is becasue if you get bad spawn, you lose the whole bag. If you colonize a separate jar of spawn, and it goes bad, you only lose a quart of spawn.
Edited by space.madness (01/10/25 04:05 PM)
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Thanks for the reply. I'll try to attach a photo to this post. You should see the filter patch in the empty "flap" near the top of the bag, facing the camera. When I fold that flap down toward the camera (the way it was when purchased), the filter is pressed against the filled part of the bag.
The woman who sold it to me said something about which way to fold the flap but I've forgotten which it was. I'm speculating that it was to fold the flap away from the camera so the filter is more exposed, to increase airflow? Or maybe it was to keep the filter less exposed to limit moisture loss?
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Re: Lion's mane -- all in one bags [Re: SweepHand]
#29084004 - 01/10/25 05:55 PM (8 days, 8 hours ago) |
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Sorry, i dont know. I usually dont fold mine over. My climate doesn't have moisture loss issues. I would guess fold down loosely towards the camera to limit contaminants settling on the filter.
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I don't see any reason to fold the bag while it's colonizing. If it's sealed it shouldn't lose any/much moisture. Usually the bag is left colonizing just like that and only when it's ready and moved to fruiting it's folded tight to prevent mushrooms from growing into the empty part of the bag. At that point it shouldn't matter which way you fold as you'll do the slit.
Are you sure the lady didn't mean this?
Edit: This is of course assuming that the injection port is self-healing. If it's not the whole deal seems a bit sketchy, folding the bag over it to prevent contams from entering..
Edited by spasm666 (01/10/25 11:38 PM)
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Re: Lion's mane -- all in one bags [Re: spasm666]
#29084651 - 01/11/25 09:37 AM (7 days, 16 hours ago) |
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That makes perfect sense, thank you! I'm sure that's probably what she said, but I just didn't understand that she was talking about the fruiting stage.
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Re: Lion's mane -- all in one bags [Re: spasm666]
#29084661 - 01/11/25 09:41 AM (7 days, 16 hours ago) |
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And during the fruiting stgae I'd fold that flap down to prevent fruiting happening in the bag, then I'd cut a slit and the fruiting would happen at that open site? Any particular place to cut that slit? Or just anywhere on the side where the flap is folded over?
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Re: Lion's mane -- all in one bags [Re: SweepHand]
#29085000 - 01/11/25 02:01 PM (7 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Yes the fruiting should happen from the slit you make, as the substrate gets fresh air and humidity from the slit, signaling it's the best place to start forming mushrooms.
Make the slit any side where the flap is NOT folded over. I think a lot of people just fold/tuck the empty part of the bag on top of the block and flip the block upside down in their fruiting chamber (note that you need to make a small slit in the empty part of the bag too to be able to push the air out when folding). That way the empty part of the bag stays out of the way and compressed under the block. Then make a slit on any side you want.
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Re: Lion's mane -- all in one bags [Re: spasm666]
#29085196 - 01/11/25 04:02 PM (7 days, 10 hours ago) |
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Quote:
spasm666 said:
Make the slit any side where the flap is NOT folded over.
Doh! That's what I meant to say!
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(note that you need to make a small slit in the empty part of the bag too to be able to push the air out when folding)That way the empty part of the bag stays out of the way and compressed under the block. Then make a slit on any side you want.
Oh, I guess I was expecting the filter patch to provide enough exchange to be able to push out that extra air, but there must me much less flow than I was expecting.
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