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Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears
    #2907165 - 07/20/04 02:01 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=572&e=14&u=/nm/health_marijuana_dc



Mon Jul 19,12:36 PM ET


By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Alarmed by reports that marijuana is becoming more potent than ever and that children are trying it at younger and younger ages, U.S. officials are changing their drug policies.


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Pot is no longer the gentle weed of the 1960s and may pose a greater threat than cocaine or even heroin because so many more people use it. So officials at the National Institutes of Health (news - web sites) and at the White House are hoping to shift some of the focus in research and enforcement from "hard" drugs such as cocaine and heroin to marijuana.

While drug use overall is falling among children and teens, the officials worry that the children who are trying pot are doing so at ever-younger ages, when their brains and bodies are vulnerable to dangerous side effects.

"Most people have been led to believe that marijuana is a soft drug, not a drug that causes serious problems," John Walters, head of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, said in an interview.

"(But) marijuana today is a much more serious problem than the vast majority of Americans understand. If you told people that one in five of 12- to 17-year-olds who ever used marijuana in their lives need treatment, I don't think people would remotely understand it."

JUMP IN POT-RELATED DETOX

The number of children and teen-agers in treatment for marijuana dependence and abuse has jumped 142 percent since 1992, the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University reported in April.

According to the report, children and teens are three times more likely to be in treatment for marijuana abuse than for alcohol, and six times likelier to be in treatment for marijuana than for all other illegal drugs combined.

And it found the age of youths using marijuana is falling. The teens aged 12 to 17 said on average they started trying marijuana at 13-1/2. The same survey found that adults aged 18 to 25 had first tried it at 16.

For National Institute on Drug Abuse director Dr. Nora Volkow the final straw was a report her institute published in May in the Journal of the American Medical Association (news - web sites) showing the steady growth in the potency of cannabis seized in raids.

According to the University of Mississippi's Marijuana Potency Project, average levels of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, rose steadily from 3.5 percent in 1988 to more than 7 percent in 2003.

Volkow said many studies have shown the brain has its own so-called endogenous cannabinoids. These molecules are similar in structure to the active ingredients in marijuana and are involved in a range of activities and emotions ranging from eye function to pain regulation and anxiety.

GETTING INTO THE BRAIN

Brain cells have receptors -- molecular doorways -- designed specifically to interact with these cannabinoids.

The cannabinoids in marijuana may use these ready-made doorways into brain cells and this is why they cause a high and reduce pain sensations. But Volkow believes the effects may go beyond the general feeling of well-being that most marijuana users seek.

"I would predict that stronger pot makes the brain less likely to respond to endogenous cannabinoids," Volkow said in an interview. The effects could be especially marked in young brains still growing and learning how to respond to stimuli, she said.

While the research so far is inconclusive, Volkow believes that cannabinoids affect the developing brain and that stronger pot, combined with earlier use, could make children and teens anxious, unmotivated or perhaps even psychotic.



As an analogy, Volkow said opiate addicts are more sensitive to pain, as their overuse of drugs have raised the threshold at which the body responds and their own bodies produce fewer natural opiates.

NIDA is seeking proposals from researchers who want to investigate such possibilities for cannabis, she said.

Proponents of legalizing marijuana disagree with the official line. Krissy Oechslin of the Marijuana Policy Project disputes the finding that cannabis products are stronger.

"They make it sound like the THC levels in marijuana were almost nonexistent, but no one would have smoked it then if that was true," she said.

"And there's evidence that the stronger the THC, the less of it a person smokes. I don't want to say it's good for you, but I'll say (more potent marijuana) is less bad for you."

While Walters stresses that drug abusers are patients and not criminals, he hopes to crack down more on producers. And he says, there is a way to go in getting cooperation from local law enforcement officials. "For many in enforcement, marijuana is still 'kiddie dope'," Walters said.

Walters is quick to stress he does not want to overreact.

"We shouldn't be victims of reefer madness," he said, referring to the 1930s propaganda film "Reefer Madness" that became a 1970s cult classic for its over-the-top scenes of marijuana turning teens into homicidal maniacs.


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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2907427 - 07/20/04 03:53 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2907671 - 07/20/04 09:12 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Mitchnast said:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=572&e=14&u=/nm/health_marijuana_dc



According to the report, children and teens are three times more likely to be in treatment for marijuana abuse than for alcohol...




Um, maybe because alcohol is socially acceptable. I'm sure that there are more people who should be in rehab for alcohol abuse then for smoking MJ, but nobody cares because alcohol is the "social drug." Why don't they compare the number of deaths of alcohol compared to MJ and then try again. Yapping about how "dangerous" MJ is and then having the gall to "imply" that it is a bigger health threat then alcohol because of the number of people allegedly in rehab for it...stupid stupid stupid. I can't believe that people actually buy this crap.

I'm sorry but there's spots in that article where I wanted to vomit.


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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2907742 - 07/20/04 10:02 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I bet everyone is scared now :shocked:


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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: MOTH]
    #2908062 - 07/20/04 12:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

And I wonder how much of it is involuntary rehab-court ordered...they fail to mention any details.


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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: MOTH]
    #2908099 - 07/20/04 12:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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...stupid stupid stupid.  I can't believe that people actually buy this crap. 

I'm sorry but there's spots in that article where I wanted to vomit.





Indeed. :frown:


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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2908108 - 07/20/04 12:47 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

the number of young kids (13) abusing alcohol and mj early are probably the same... and of course? which would it be better to be addicted to? i would rather be addicted to pot than alcohol


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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2908288 - 07/20/04 01:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: matts]
    #2908295 - 07/20/04 01:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2908302 - 07/20/04 01:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"So officials at the National Institutes of Health (news - web sites) and at the White House are hoping to shift some of the focus in research and enforcement from "hard" drugs such as cocaine and heroin to marijuana."

Oh that sounds like a great idea. Let the kids do all the coke they want and get addicted to heroin but we need to keep them off the marijuana...I mean it's really potent now and that's bad.

How do articles like this still get written when there is a little place called Amsterdam with some of the most potent pot in the world. There is no epidemic and even less citizens there even smoke pot. Oh and maybe so many kids are in rehab for pot because their stupid ass parents caught them and assume it is really bad and a big problem because of articles like this so they force them to go to rehab. This article makes me sick. Man I hate this administration. Vote Bush out!


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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: kindadank]
    #2908317 - 07/20/04 01:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: matts]
    #2908428 - 07/20/04 02:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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My parents have a liqour cabinet in the middle of the kitchen with no lock.  I used to steal their booze and refill it with water. 




Haha, I used to do the same thing  :grin:


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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2908607 - 07/20/04 03:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Mitchnast said:
Pot is no longer the gentle weed of the 1960s and may pose a greater threat than cocaine or even heroin because so many more people use it. So officials at the National Institutes of Health (news - web sites) and at the White House are hoping to shift some of the focus in research and enforcement from "hard" drugs such as cocaine and heroin to marijuana.





WOW, just... wow. I can not get past how fucking stupid that paragraph is. There's no point in even discussing how flawed that thinking is...


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"I would predict that stronger pot makes the brain less likely to respond to endogenous cannabinoids," Volkow said in an interview. The effects could be especially marked in young brains still growing and learning how to respond to stimuli, she said.

While the research so far is inconclusive, Volkow believes that cannabinoids affect the developing brain and that stronger pot, combined with earlier use, could make children and teens anxious, unmotivated or perhaps even psychotic.





So they interview someone who's funding is dependent on research that supports his hypothesis...  who doesn't have any conclusions yet.... and is being paid to conclude that marijuana is dangerous. How scientific of them. Doesn't it seem like, as a scientist, you shouldn't be making statements which reflect what national drug policy should be until.... you actually DO the research and come to a conclusion?


So to review, researcher has reached no conclusions and has a hypothesis. Well then! Case closed.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: Twirling]
    #2908630 - 07/20/04 03:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

BTW, ever notice how any of these "STRONGER POT" articles always refer to marijuana as being harmless in the 60's, coming from the same people who said it was deadly in the 60's? It's the same old bullshit we've been hearing for the past 10 years. This is an argument which they've latched onto in order to scare people. WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDERN!??!?!?!


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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2908698 - 07/20/04 03:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The only thing ive heard from the old stoners is that the pot today is nowhere as good as the pot was back in the day.


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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: Redo]
    #2909971 - 07/20/04 09:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i just want to clarify that i don't actually aggree with the article in any way and was going to pick it apart, but it seems youve all said exactly what i was going to say about it, bravo! especially the part about more kids in rehab due to pot. i know people who were forced into rehab as an alternative to jail. its how the government feels useful. its garbage! they werent addicted, they were selling!!!! for peats sake! they werent addicted, they just said the several ounces were personal usage to get out of a trafficking charge and convince their parents they werent bad people!

in the end after rehab they convinced themselves they DID have a drug problem.

now i think they smoke pot again and just don't fucking think too much about the bullshit anymore and are more careful.


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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2911278 - 07/21/04 05:40 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This doesn't make any sense. Besides the obvious lies, hashish has been used for centuries, and can be quite a few times more potent than marijuana. Assuming pot is more potent than in the 60s (which it is not I hear,) how come hashish never caused "reefer madness" in the middle east when many people used to smoke it, or even any time it's been used? Seems the opposition is running out of more and more of their already tiny credibility every day

Not to mention, it's odd they assume that people are going to smoke the same amount because it's more potent. If it's more potent it's more expensive so people will smoke less, not more


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Re: Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2911798 - 07/21/04 11:48 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Thats prohibition for ya. They dont really care that its healthier. We'd rather them have tainted black market smack (that they would do anyways) rather then giving them clean stuff at a safe site.


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    #2911915 - 07/21/04 12:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Thats prohibition for ya. They dont really care that its healthier. We'd rather them have tainted black market smack (that they would do anyways) rather then giving them clean stuff at a safe site.




Not to mention when your dealer is out, the other drugs they can throw at you.


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    #2914300 - 07/22/04 01:12 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i say its safer. cause you smoke less to get high. smoek less, less tar or carcinagens.

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