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OfflinePhred
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The Clinton Legacy lives on
    #2906763 - 07/19/04 09:28 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040720/ap_on_re_us/sept__11_berger_probe_2

This is a must-read. Just what the hell was going through this turniphead's mind? Berger, that is.

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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Phred]
    #2906773 - 07/19/04 09:34 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

"In the course of reviewing over several days thousands of pages of documents on behalf of the Clinton administration in connection with requests by the Sept. 11 commission, I inadvertently took a few documents from the Archives," Berger said.

"When I was informed by the Archives that there were documents missing, I immediately returned everything I had except for a few document that I apparently had accidentally discarded," he said.

oops!  :blush:

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Invisiblez@z.com
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Phred]
    #2906783 - 07/19/04 09:38 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Everyone in the Clinton administration really needs to learn the importance of a good filing system. They seem to have way too many problems with misplaced documents.


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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Phred]
    #2906865 - 07/19/04 10:21 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

This post should read "Clinton legacy of destroying incriminating evidence lives on in Bush legacy of missing service records and secrecy"
Wonder why people think Bubba was more a crook than Geedub? There is enough questionable dealings in both their past to realize we are led by shyster bastards who whore to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and we are the source of the $$$$$$$ nothing more.The only reason these men would wish you to make more money is if they can get their hands on some.How you live or if you live is only as important as the market dictates.
To all you who only see CONSERVATIVE or LIBERAL I suggest you consider they are both FUNDED by the same interests, and those interests OWN you in Amerika and much of the rest of the world.
Pinky I would expect you to have realized the money buys the policy no matter who is in charge.
WR:wexican:


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OfflineGazzBut
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: whiterasta]
    #2907579 - 07/20/04 04:08 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Wonder why people think Bubba was more a crook than Geedub?




Because some people think the republicans are right most of the time and others think the democrats are right most of the time.

Of course some people realise both sides lie and cheat most of the time.


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InvisibleVvellum
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Phred]
    #2908308 - 07/20/04 11:52 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

wow, politicans "mismanaging" files and public record. what else is new? absolutely shocking read!

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Offlinecoralrives
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Vvellum]
    #2908467 - 07/20/04 12:39 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Hillarious, if this was a member of the Bush campaign, you guys would be creaming in your pants to post it here....


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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: coralrives]
    #2908891 - 07/20/04 02:41 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

coralrives said:
Hillarious, if this was a member of the Bush campaign, you guys would be creaming in your pants to post it here....



You, while right, can't possibly expect them to:
a. Admit it.
b. Ever hold a Dem to the same standards as a Rep.

Most of them anyway.


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OfflineTao
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2908906 - 07/20/04 02:43 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

jesus, your posts are becoming inanely predictable and tired.

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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Phred]
    #2908968 - 07/20/04 02:56 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

This just goes to show that the democrats cannot be trusted either. Keeping them out of the whitehouse does not make them any more honest.


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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Tao]
    #2908996 - 07/20/04 03:02 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

jesus, your lack of humor is becoming inanely predictable and tired.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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OfflineJesusChrist
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Phred]
    #2909018 - 07/20/04 03:07 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Wow. Accidentally discarded.


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OfflineDivided_Sky
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Phred]
    #2909316 - 07/20/04 04:19 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like Berger is tring to cover his ass. With all accusations of Bush resisting the 9/11 commission at least he wasn't destroying documents.

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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2909477 - 07/20/04 05:30 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Wasn't destroying documents? Well, I guess the missing documents are safely tucked away somewhere...


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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Evolving]
    #2909516 - 07/20/04 05:46 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I think he was saying that at least Bush wasn't destorying documents.


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Invisibleafoaf
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: coralrives]
    #2909522 - 07/20/04 05:47 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Redo Redux?


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: JesusChrist]
    #2909525 - 07/20/04 05:48 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Whoops!  :blush: Sorry, I guess I shouldn't be going back and forth to these forums while working...


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OfflineRedo
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: coralrives]
    #2909601 - 07/20/04 06:15 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

coralrives said:
Hillarious, if this was a member of the Bush campaign, you guys would be creaming in your pants to post it here....




they do it over the word Clinton as well.

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OfflineLearyfanS
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Phred]
    #2909844 - 07/20/04 07:17 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Clinton is doing a terrible job as our President from four years ago.





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OfflineThe_Red_Crayon
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: whiterasta]
    #2909864 - 07/20/04 07:21 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Clinton and Bush are both crooks.

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OfflineJesusChrist
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2909908 - 07/20/04 07:33 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

TaoTeChing said:
jesus, your posts are becoming inanely predictable and tired.




Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
jesus, your lack of humor is becoming inanely predictable and tired.




You guys are ganging up on me. It hurts my feelings. I am a sensitive guy.


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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: JesusChrist]
    #2909945 - 07/20/04 07:44 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I believe a re-read will show he replied to me, and I to him.

While I can't say for sure as to why he used the term, I can assure you that I wasn't refering to you.


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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2909959 - 07/20/04 07:47 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I was just being silly. I should have put in one of those silly icons. Sorry.


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OfflineTao
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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2909987 - 07/20/04 07:54 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

I believe a re-read will show he replied to me, and I to him.

While I can't say for sure as to why he used the term, I can assure you that I wasn't refering to you.




:lol::lol: And you say I don't understand humor.

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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Phred]
    #2910408 - 07/20/04 09:43 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Man I thought this was gonna be about him geting caught in the barn with his pants down or something.

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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Phred]
    #2910737 - 07/20/04 11:10 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

If anyone cares, a former Reagan aide was on CNN today saying that Berger took copies of the documents, not the actual documents.

If he did what he did with the intention of defrauding the 9/11 panel and hiding evidence, then I think he should share the prison cell with all of the Bush administration people who have done the same and blocked the panel's investigation at every turn.

If, in fact, he actually did what he is being accused of. I've found 32 different versions of the accusations so far. This is a weird one.


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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: GernBlanston]
    #2910968 - 07/21/04 12:12 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Berger did what he did knowing it was illegal. Anyone who has security clearance knows what the fuck he can and cannot do, they sign numerous documents before having access to the kinds of things Berger had access to in this instance. There are protocols that are commonly followed and they are explicitly spelled out. Berger and his lawyer admitted that he knowingly removed the handwritten notes by placing them in his jacket, pants and socks, and also inadvertently (yeh, right and monkeys might fly out my butt) took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio.

The man is a former national security advisor, if this was 'a mistake,' then Clinton was more fucked up in his appointments than anyone has previously accused him of and this is also very telling about the abilities and judgement of John Kerry as an executive (he was an adviser to John Kerry). You have to be a total fucking moron to think that Berger didn't know the implications of his actions or the legality of his actions. Anybody who believes that what Berger did was an honest mistake is either hopelessly naive or lying to themselves.


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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Tao]
    #2911276 - 07/21/04 03:39 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

And I'd be, yet again, correct.


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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #2911338 - 07/21/04 05:03 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

coke or pepsi?

democrat or republican?

same shit - different names

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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Phred]
    #2929546 - 07/26/04 05:46 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

No comments for almost a week? Dang. I've been following this strange saga, and the more that gets revealed, the more interesting it gets. For a former National Security Advisor, this yokel was almost unbelievably clumsy.

Interesting that Clinton says he knew Berger was being investigated, yet Kerry claims he "hadn't a clue. Not a clue."

This could be huge folks. Maybe not up to Watergate standards, but almost.

No one else gives a shit?

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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: Phred]
    #2929583 - 07/26/04 05:54 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

It's beyond big but he'll never do a single days time for it. And with our governments stellar track record they probably don't even have copies.


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Re: The Clinton Legacy lives on [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2929858 - 07/26/04 07:23 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I thought it got sidetracked to another thread


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