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George W Bush , how does his first term add up?
#2905421 - 07/19/04 12:45 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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George W Bush , how does his first term add up?
232: Number of American combat deaths in Iraq between May 2003 and January 2004
501: Number of American servicemen to die in Iraq from the beginning of the war - so far
0: Number of American combat deaths in Germany after the Nazi surrender to the Allies in May 1945
0: Number of coffins of dead soldiers returning home from Iraq that the Bush administration has allowed to be photographed
0: Number of funerals or memorials that President Bush has attended for soldiers killed in Iraq
Anti-war protesters hold signs outside the Capitol during the President Bush's State of The Union address on Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2004.
100: Number of fund-raisers attended by Bush or Vice-President Dick Cheney in 2003
13: Number of meetings between Bush and Tony Blair since he became President
10 million: Estimated number of people worldwide who took to the streets in opposition to the invasion of Iraq, setting an all-time record for simultaneous protest
2: Number of nations that Bush has attacked and taken over since coming into the White House
9.2: Average number of American soldiers wounded in Iraq each day since the invasion in March last year
1.6: Average number of American soldiers killed in Iraq per day since hostilities began
16,000: Approximate number of Iraqis killed since the start of war
10,000: Approximate number of Iraqi civilians killed since the beginning of the conflict
$100 billion: Estimated cost of the war in Iraq to American citizens by the end of 2003
$13 billion: Amount other countries have committed towards rebuilding Iraq (much of it in loans) as of 24 October
36%: Increase in the number of desertions from the US army since 1999
92%: Percentage of Iraq's urban areas that had access to drinkable water a year ago
60%: Percentage of Iraq's urban areas that have access to drinkable water today
32%: Percentage of the bombs dropped on Iraq this year that were not precision-guided
1983: The year in which Donald Rumsfeld gave Saddam Hussein a pair of golden spurs
45%: Percentage of Americans who believed in early March 2003 that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11 September attacks on the US
$127 billion: Amount of US budget surplus in the year that Bush became President in 2001
$374 billion: Amount of US budget deficit in the fiscal year for 2003
1st: This year's deficit is on course to be the biggest in United States history
$1.58 billion: Average amount by which the US national debt increases each day
$23,920: Amount of each US citizen's share of the national debt as of 19 January 2004
1st: The record for the most bankruptcies filed in a single year (1.57 million) was set in 2002
10: Number of solo press conferences that Bush has held since beginning his term. His father had managed 61 at this point in his administration, and Bill Clinton 33
1st: Rank of the US worldwide in terms of greenhouse gas emissions per capita
$113 million: Total sum raised by the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign, setting a record in American electoral history
$130 million: Amount raised for Bush's re-election campaign so far
$200m: Amount that the Bush-Cheney campaign is expected to raise in 2004
$40m: Amount that Howard Dean, the top fund-raiser among the nine Democratic presidential hopefuls, amassed in 2003
28: Number of days holiday that Bush took last August, the second longest holiday of any president in US history (Record holder: Richard Nixon)
13: Number of vacation days the average American worker receives each year
3: Number of children convicted of capital offences executed in the US in 2002. America is only country openly to acknowledge executing children
1st: As Governor of Texas, George Bush executed more prisoners (152) than any governor in modern US history
2.4 million: Number of Americans who have lost their jobs during the three years of the Bush administration
221,000: Number of jobs per month created since Bush's tax cuts took effect. He promised the measure would add 306,000
1,000: Number of new jobs created in the entire country in December. Analysts had expected a gain of 130,000
1st: This administration is on its way to becoming the first since 1929 (Herbert Hoover) to preside over an overall loss of jobs during its complete term in office
9 million: Number of US workers unemployed in September 2003
80%: Percentage of the Iraqi workforce now unemployed
55%: Percentage of the Iraqi workforce unemployed before the war
43.6 million: Number of Americans without health insurance in 2002
130: Number of countries (out of total of 191 recognized by the United Nations) with an American military presence
40%: Percentage of the world's military spending for which the US is responsible
$10.9 million: Average wealth of the members of Bush's original 16-person cabinet
88%: Percentage of American citizens who will save less than $100 on their 2006 federal taxes as a result of 2003 cut in capital gains and dividends taxes
$42,000: Average savings members of Bush's cabinet are expected to enjoy this year as a result in the cuts in capital gains and dividends taxes
$42,228: Median household income in the US in 2001
$116,000: Amount Vice-President Cheney is expected to save each year in taxes
44%: Percentage of Americans who believe the President's economic growth plan will mostly benefit the wealthy
700: Number of people from around the world the US has incarcerated in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
1st: George W Bush became the first American president to ignore the Geneva Conventions by refusing to allow inspectors access to US-held prisoners of war
+6%: Percentage change since 2001 in the number of US families in poverty
1951: Last year in which a quarterly rise in US military spending was greater than the one the previous spring
54%: Percentage of US citizens who believe Bush was legitimately elected to his post
1st: First president to execute a federal prisoner in the past 40 years. Executions are typically ordered by separate states and not at federal level
9: Number of members of Bush's defense policy board who also sit on the corporate board of, or advise, at least one defense contractor
35: Number of countries to which US has suspended military assistance after they failed to sign agreements giving Americans immunity from prosecution before the International Criminal Court
$300 million: Amount cut from the federal program that provides subsidies to poor families so they can heat their homes
$1 billion: Amount of new US military aid promised Israel in April 2003 to offset the "burdens" of the US war on Iraq
58 million: Number of acres of public lands Bush has opened to road building, logging and drilling
200: Number of public-health and environmental laws Bush has attempted to downgrade or weaken
29,000: Number of American troops - which is close to the total of a whole army division - to have either been killed, wounded, injured or become so ill as to require evacuation from Iraq, according to the Pentagon
90%: Percentage of American citizens who said they approved of the way George Bush was handling his job as president when asked on 26 September, 2001
53%: Percentage of American citizens who approved of the way Bush was handling his job as president when asked on 16 January, 2004
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: fft2]
#2905485 - 07/19/04 01:15 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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you didn't cite your source.
neither did your source.
that would help.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: fft2]
#2905495 - 07/19/04 01:21 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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16,000: Approximate number of Iraqis killed since the start of war
Seems a little low, many of your stats have nothing to do with Bush at all.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: fft2]
#2905500 - 07/19/04 01:22 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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why would bush attend the funerals have 501 soldiers? if he attended one he would be expected to attend them all
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: fft2]
#2905515 - 07/19/04 01:32 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe he didn't have a source. Maybe he just did an amazing amount of research.
I am not at all surprised the number 3,000 didn't come up in your research. That was the number of Americans that died on 9-11. That was in Bush's term. How quickly we forget.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: JesusChrist]
#2905533 - 07/19/04 01:44 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe he didn't have a source. Maybe he just did an amazing amount of research
Usually research is done by using sources, but I went to private school and times are a changin'
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: JesusChrist]
#2905540 - 07/19/04 01:48 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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http://www.fiscalpolicy.org/sep28WTCreport.pdf
The Fiscal Policy Institute of New York City compiled a report as to the economic effects that 9-11 had on New York City. These would just be city wide effects, not nationwide effects. Nationwide, the markets were affected, tourism was affected, the airline industry was crushed, and the insurance costs of all Americans have been jacked up. The cost of Homeland Security is now also an expensive burden for generations to come.
Here is what they said happened to the New York City economy.
108,500 - the number of jobs lost. $6.7 billion - lost wages of those jobs $16.9 billion - Lost economic output $11.7 billion - lost value added in local economy
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: fft2]
#2905710 - 07/19/04 02:54 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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0: Number of American combat deaths in Germany after the Nazi surrender to the Allies in May 1945
post-war germany wasn't full of islamofascists.
0: Number of coffins of dead soldiers returning home from Iraq that the Bush administration has allowed to be photographed
military policy since vietnam.
0: Number of funerals or memorials that President Bush has attended for soldiers killed in Iraq
should he attend all of them? why some over others?
100: Number of fund-raisers attended by Bush or Vice-President Dick Cheney in 2003
point being?
13: Number of meetings between Bush and Tony Blair since he became President
point being?
2: Number of nations that Bush has attacked and taken over since coming into the White House
1. both of which were ruled by illegitimate dictatorships, one of which actively and intensively supported and harbored an extensive terrorist network, and neither of which have in reality been "taken over" by the united states.
9.2: Average number of American soldiers wounded in Iraq each day since the invasion in March last year
1.6: Average number of American soldiers killed in Iraq per day since hostilities began
it's war.
10,000: Approximate number of Iraqi civilians killed since the beginning of the conflict
compare that to hussein's average over the same length of time.
36%: Increase in the number of desertions from the US army since 1999
hah. this is an example of perhaps the most common means by which statistical data is manipulated by hopeful "researchers". "36%" means nothing without a base value. if the 1999 rate of desertion was 3 soldiers per 100,000 and now it's 4 per 100,000, "36%" means nothing at all. unfortunately since we are left without a single source for the data, nor a base value (an accident, no doubt), we cannot see for ourselves just how important this "36%" is.
32%: Percentage of the bombs dropped on Iraq this year that were not precision-guided
how many of these were dropped in populated areas? how many civilians were killed by this implied misuse of unguided bombs?
45%: Percentage of Americans who believed in early March 2003 that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11 September attacks on the US
why is this a reflection on the current administration?
1st: Rank of the US worldwide in terms of greenhouse gas emissions per capita
maybe this is because the US has the world's second larget per capita GDP? (second only to luxembourg, where the much of the economy is based on banking).
how about comparing greenhouse gas output per GDP? which countries are most inefficient and polluting per the amount of production they accomplish?
$113 million: Total sum raised by the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign, setting a record in American electoral history
$130 million: Amount raised for Bush's re-election campaign so far
$200m: Amount that the Bush-Cheney campaign is expected to raise in 2004
$40m: Amount that Howard Dean, the top fund-raiser among the nine Democratic presidential hopefuls, amassed in 2003
point being?
28: Number of days holiday that Bush took last August, the second longest holiday of any president in US history (Record holder: Richard Nixon)
this is misleading. the president of the united states does not go on "holiday", and with the very recent significant advances in telecommunications, it matters less and less where the president actually happens to be. (this is a little different from a senator, who must actually be present at the capitol in order to do his job).
3: Number of children convicted of capital offences executed in the US in 2002. America is only country openly to acknowledge executing children
1. how old were these "children"? 2. were they federal prisoners? (no) 3. has the supreme court declared this practice unconstitutional? (no) 4. how many "children" were similarly executed during clinton's tenure?
1st: As Governor of Texas, George Bush executed more prisoners (152) than any governor in modern US history
wrong. texas juries executed more prisoners during bush's tenure than during any other governor in modern(?) US history.
43.6 million: Number of Americans without health insurance in 2002
this has what to do with the bush administration?
130: Number of countries (out of total of 191 recognized by the United Nations) with an American military presence
certainly not a favorable sitution, but how many of these 130 were iniated during bush's tenure thus far?
$10.9 million: Average wealth of the members of Bush's original 16-person cabinet
the point being?
$42,000: Average savings members of Bush's cabinet are expected to enjoy this year as a result in the cuts in capital gains and dividends taxes
great. they are allowed keep more of their own money, as they should be.
$116,000: Amount Vice-President Cheney is expected to save each year in taxes
see above.
44%: Percentage of Americans who believe the President's economic growth plan will mostly benefit the wealthy
and will they benefit at the expense of others, as those who benefit from democrat policies do?
+6%: Percentage change since 2001 in the number of US families in poverty
1. can we have a base value? 2. the total US population has grown since 2001. quite possibly by 6% or more. what is the percent change since 2001 in the proportion of US families in "poverty"?
54%: Percentage of US citizens who believe Bush was legitimately elected to his post
wow. i'm surprised it's that high. that would suggest that it's possible that even a few democrats can understand how the electoral process works.
1st: First president to execute a federal prisoner in the past 40 years. Executions are typically ordered by separate states and not at federal level
yes, but because timothy mcviegh truck-bombed a federal building, and amongst the 168 people he killed were federal employees, he was convicted of federal crimes. against the advise of his lawyers, he chose to stop his appeals process and did not appeal to the president for clemency.
9: Number of members of Bush's defense policy board who also sit on the corporate board of, or advise, at least one defense contractor
there are 30 members on the defense policy board. 9 of them also "sit on the corporate board of", or advise a defense contractor? is that supposed to be important?
35: Number of countries to which US has suspended military assistance after they failed to sign agreements giving Americans immunity from prosecution before the International Criminal Court
hold on a minute... i thought that giving other countries military assistance was a bad thing...
29,000: Number of American troops - which is close to the total of a whole army division - to have either been killed, wounded, injured or become so ill as to require evacuation from Iraq, according to the Pentagon
it's war!
whew. that was really, really weak.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: ]
#2905747 - 07/19/04 03:14 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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 While it was an easy target, very nice job picking it apart for the worthless piece of garbage that it is.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: Ancalagon]
#2905770 - 07/19/04 03:23 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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While it was an easy target, very nice job picking it apart for the worthless piece of garbage that it is
you mean bush isn't responsible for all those things? I'm shocked!
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: Ancalagon]
#2905806 - 07/19/04 03:38 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote: [2: Number of nations that Bush has attacked and taken over since coming into the White House
1. both of which were ruled by illegitimate dictatorships, one of which actively and intensively supported and harbored an extensive terrorist network, and neither of which have in reality been "taken over" by the united states.]
There are more than two illegitimate dictatorships in the world. And guess what? The Bush family is BEST friends with the worst of them all. SAUDI ARABIA. The by far have the worst terrorists ex.(9/11, they were saudi militants). The have public beheadings, they have a net gross of about 1 trillion dollars in our american banks, The have a shit load of oil, they wanted to go to war with afghanistan because of a pipeline that was planned. They want to go to war with Iraq because of oil. So your point being?
And no they havent been taken over but instead we put them into even deeper poverty. All for the sake of black gold. Are you not pissed that gas prices have soared? but why? And how, we have 10 year stock piles. We have alternative energy. HMMMMMM could it be the whole entire bush administration has some oil and weapon stock, they go hand in hand. Jesus eat MORE SHROOMS.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: ]
#2905816 - 07/19/04 03:42 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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mushmaster said: 0: post-war germany wasn't full of islamofascists.
they have islamofascists we have bush who is a christianfascist
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: Trique]
#2905820 - 07/19/04 03:43 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote "how many of these were dropped in populated areas? how many civilians were killed by this implied misuse of unguided bombs?"
Nearly all of them. In that several day bombing mission, yuo remember the one that was aired on CNN. about 10,000 civilians were killed just in a couple days. And remember there is no exact number. WE downplay the amount anyhow. Even though your name and my name and everyones name is slapped onto each and everyone of those bombs, that makes you responsible. Its our money they are using let us not forget that. We pay the government to do their job, dont we people understand that? So dont you think its our right to make it legitimate. And not so slipshod. I mean what did we get out of those bombings besides thousands of dead civilians???? Have some empathy man.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: Trique]
#2905841 - 07/19/04 03:48 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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quote "1st: As Governor of Texas, George Bush executed more prisoners (152) than any governor in modern US history "
Quote "wrong. texas juries executed more prisoners during bush's tenure than during any other governor in modern(?) US history."
Now heres where you my friend are more wrong then right. The governor of a state has the final say so in an execution. I lived in Texas during this masacre. I am familiar with the civil rights work done there and I can tell you from a former Texans perspective they were not all guilty, so thats why it was pointed out. Why would a Governor just sign a document without reading it. Because he does not care. Not because he beleives he is doing some good for the country. Hell it cost more to kill a man than to keep em alive and shit man they dont give prisoners in Texas much. Try eating bologna and bread with a vitamin crush-in everyday for your whole entire life. and that is all they get.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: Trique]
#2905857 - 07/19/04 03:51 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote "43.6 million: Number of Americans without health insurance in 2002"
Quote "this has what to do with the bush administration?"
What the hell? It has everything to do with them. They vote the god damn things into place. Its up to the government to make laws that govern companies and government welfare to be affordable dont you think? Not everyone works for haliburton.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: Trique]
#2905892 - 07/19/04 03:59 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote "$42,000: Average savings members of Bush's cabinet are expected to enjoy this year as a result in the cuts in capital gains and dividends taxes "
Quote "great. they are allowed keep more of their own money, as they should be."
Quote "$116,000: Amount Vice-President Cheney is expected to save each year in taxes"
Quote "see above."
Um Im guessing someone doesnt pay much attention to you or you watch CNN all day one of the two.
How do you think all those people make their money? Cheney makes his investing in weapons to kill people, about 90% of those people being harmless and innocent. So do you really think he should reap victory over innocent people dying? Because thats what he is doing.
And since we elect the government in power; well try to anyway. They are automatically sold to the public. We own them while they are in power, we are supposed to control them, because they represent us. So do you want an administration that has done more bad then any administratioon in the history of this country to reap benefits while people are losing jobs and working shitty jobs? And for what, duh, they are working shitty jobs to survive, but who gets a benefit off of the grime of the nation, you guessed it, those guy we elected, so again why are we letting them have shit loads of money, that was our money???? I mean you even said it your self, they should keep more of their own money, so why aren't we keeping more of our money??? Because their money is in fact our money.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: ]
#2905999 - 07/19/04 04:29 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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45%: Percentage of Americans who believed in early March 2003 that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11 September attacks on the US
why is this a reflection on the current administration?
Because it was stated over and over again by the Administration and its supportive news networks. I know that is hard to grasp.
"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaeda," said Bush in his State of the Union address. On September 26, 2002, Don Rumsfeld laid the groundwork for Bush's statement by claiming that America had "bulletproof" evidence of Iraqi involvement with al Qaeda.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: ]
#2906012 - 07/19/04 04:32 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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mushmaster said: 1st: As Governor of Texas, George Bush executed more prisoners (152) than any governor in modern US history
wrong. texas juries executed more prisoners during bush's tenure than during any other governor in modern(?) US history.
H*ll Ya!
While other states are trying to get rid of the death penalty, Texas is putting in a express lane!
Personally I say, Get a rope and get them off the line!
The death penalty is reserved for capitol crimes (murder), Take a life in Texas and we will return the favor.
As for innocent people on death row, Go to any prison and ask around. You will find they all clam to be Innocent! But some where there is a jury that found them GUILTY!
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: Trique]
#2906122 - 07/19/04 05:14 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nearly all of them.
you don't know that. many civilians were killed, but you have no way of knowing how many died as a result of the indiscriminate use of unguided bombs. when attacking stationary targets away from population centers, it is unecessary and wasteful to use precision munitions. the fact that unguided bombs were used, and the fact that civilians were killed, does not confirm that many, or even any, of the civilian deaths resulted from neglecting to use precision munitions when necessary.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: Trique]
#2906127 - 07/19/04 05:16 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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The governor of a state has the final say so in an execution.
and all he did was uphold what juries, judges, and appeals courts had already decided. show me a governor who does differently.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: Trique]
#2906134 - 07/19/04 05:18 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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What the hell? It has everything to do with them. They vote the god damn things into place. Its up to the government to make laws that govern companies and government welfare to be affordable dont you think?
not at all. it is not the government's job to force some people to provide health coverage for those who cannot afford it.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: Trique]
#2906145 - 07/19/04 05:22 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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How do you think all those people make their money? Cheney makes his investing in weapons to kill people, about 90% of those people being harmless and innocent. i can feel the warmth still coming off that one. fresh out of your ass i presume? source please? whoever wrote this list seems upset that "the wealthy", including certain members of bush's cabinet, are benefitting from a tax break. the reality is that all that's happening is that they are being allowed to keep more of their own money. i don't see a problem with that.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: Trique]
#2906185 - 07/19/04 05:32 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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There are more than two illegitimate dictatorships in the world. And guess what? The Bush family is BEST friends with the worst of them all. SAUDI ARABIA. The by far have the worst terrorists ex.(9/11, they were saudi militants). saudi arabia is beside the point. the regimes in control of afghanistan and iraq were totalitarian. they ruled not by public mandate, but by force. they were not legitimate governments and deserved no recognition as sovereign states. removing these internal tyrants from power was no more reprehensible than ejecting a foreign invader. the fact that the united states chooses to befriend certain illegitimate governments around the world doesn't preclude it from being hostile to others. or should we be friendly with all of the world's dictatorships?
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: ]
#2906329 - 07/19/04 06:18 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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2: Number of nations that Bush has attacked and taken over since coming into the White House
1. both of which were ruled by illegitimate dictatorships, one of which actively and intensively supported and harbored an extensive terrorist network, and neither of which have in reality been "taken over" by the united states.
Bullshit. We took over Iraq. How much do you think will go on there that we don't aprove of?
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9.2: Average number of American soldiers wounded in Iraq each day since the invasion in March last year
1.6: Average number of American soldiers killed in Iraq per day since hostilities began
it's war.
It is war. It's a war that shouldn't have happened because of Bush.
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10,000: Approximate number of Iraqi civilians killed since the beginning of the conflict
compare that to hussein's average over the same length of time.
So you think Hussein killed 10,000 people each year? No friggin' way.
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45%: Percentage of Americans who believed in early March 2003 that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11 September attacks on the US
why is this a reflection on the current administration?
Because as it's been discussed many times here, the Bush administration used EXTREMLY deceptive language which caused people to make a direct connection.
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$42,000: Average savings members of Bush's cabinet are expected to enjoy this year as a result in the cuts in capital gains and dividends taxes
great. they are allowed keep more of their own money, as they should be.
$116,000: Amount Vice-President Cheney is expected to save each year in taxes
see above.
He's saying that this could be considered a conflict of interest.
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9: Number of members of Bush's defense policy board who also sit on the corporate board of, or advise, at least one defense contractor
there are 30 members on the defense policy board. 9 of them also "sit on the corporate board of", or advise a defense contractor? is that supposed to be important?
Conflict of interest.
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There are more than two illegitimate dictatorships in the world. And guess what? The Bush family is BEST friends with the worst of them all. SAUDI ARABIA. The by far have the worst terrorists ex.(9/11, they were saudi militants).
saudi arabia is beside the point
Saudi Arabia is beside the point??? No it's not.
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the fact that the united states chooses to befriend certain illegitimate governments around the world doesn't preclude the it from being hostile to others if it chooses.
or should we be friendly with all of the world's dictatorships?
Consistancy.
If one of your primary reasons for going to war is because Iraq run by a tyrant then you must be against all countries who are run by tyrants or your point is lost.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: Learyfan]
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1. More and more goes on everyday that we don't approve of. See reopening of al-Sadr's cronies newspaper
2.It's war it should've happened and it should have happened 14 years ago except we thought the UN might get some teeth. Silly us, all they wanted to do was line their pockets.
3. Hussein killed way more than 10k a year. I've seen estimates as high as 100k
4.I certainly wasn't deceived, the language was quite explicit and clear, and correct. If only 45% of the people got the wrong impression, maybe it was because they get their news from the Today show and lightweight, sensationalist sources like that. Or maybe they're just stupid.
5.Almost everyone in government is wealthy. So every time there is a tax cut for the people who pay most of the taxes it's suspicious? It couldn't possibly be because these tax cuts have historicly been positive stimuli for the economy.
6. Defense advisors should know something about defense contractors. 9 out of 30 isn't much.
7. One at a time baby, one at a time.
8. Your cartoon is outdated. The 9/11 commission supported the intelligence that Iraq was trying to buy yellowcake and denied that intelligence was manipulated. It is internally contradictory on those issues and wrong on several others.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: zappaisgod]
#2906522 - 07/19/04 07:40 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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7. One at a time baby, one at a time.
You have way too much confidence in our military. Our troops are already stretched too thin because of Iraq and you think we can go conquer other countries now as well? Will you donate your kids for the cause?
Most everything else you said is debatable or based on opinion.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: Learyfan]
#2906606 - 07/19/04 08:19 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bullshit. We took over Iraq. How much do you think will go on there that we don't aprove of? time will tell. the united states has neither the resources nor the resolve to enforce a "takeover" of a nation such as iraq. they'll be fully independent and sovereign within a few years. So you think Hussein killed 10,000 people each year? No friggin' way. it's been 16 months since the invasion. that's 7,500 per year. hussein was in power for about 30 years. i've seen 300,000 ss a low estimate for the number of civilians killed by hussein. this figure represents only political opponents, ethnic undesirables, and the like, which he had murdered. it doesn't include the hundreds of thousands more killed during the two wars he initiated or the economic sanctions that resulted. so yeah, i'd say 10,000 a year easily, and certainly 7,500. He's saying that this could be considered a conflict of interest. but did anyone do anything wrong? perhaps they benefitted from the tax breaks. i'm sure they even supported them. what's the point? was there something wrong about the tax breaks? Conflict of interest. the fact that 9 out of 30 people on the "defense policy board" (you ever heard of that before?) at the pentagon, have ties to defense contractors is inconsequencial. newt gingrich is on the board. so is dan quayle. the DPB is an advisory board at the pentagon. they do not make policy decisions. by their charter, the board is to be made up mostly of individuals in the private sector "with distinguished backgrounds in national security affairs" and " no more than four government officials." only 3 of the 30 are actually on the boards of companies that have recieved defense contracts: Gen. (Ret.) Ronald R. Fogleman * He is a member of the board of directors of several defense-related companies including Rolls-Royce North America, North American Airlines, AAR Corporation and the Mitre Corp. More than $900 million in contracts were awarded in 2000 to companies on whose boards he sits. [Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03b] * He served in the United States Air Force (1963-1997). [Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03] * Currently president and COO of the Bar J Cattle Company. [Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03] * Chairman and CEO of Durango Aerospace, Inc. [White House Website; Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03] * Former member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.[Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03] * Has served as a military advisor to the Secretary of Defense, the National Security Council and the President. [Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03] David Jeremiah, Admiral. *He is serving as a director or advisor for at least five corporations doing business with the Defense Department. In 2002, these five businesses were awarded more than $10 billion worth of contracts with the Pentagon. [Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03b] *Admiral (US Navy, Ret. in 1994). (MITRE website) [Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03] *Member of MITRE. [website] * President of Technology Strategies & Alliances Corporation, a strategic advisory and investment banking firm engaged primarily in the aerospace, defense, telecommunications and electronics industries. (MITRE website) [Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03] *Former Deputy Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. [Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03] *Member of a National Reconnaissance Advisory Panel. (MITRE website) *Member of the National Defense Panel. (MITRE website) *Member of the Defense Science Board Task Force on Human Resources. (MITRE website) *In 1994, he served as vice chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff to Generals Powell and Shalikashvili. (MITRE website) [Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03] * B.A., business administration, University of Oregon. (MITRE website) *Masters, financial management, George Washington University. (MITRE website) *He has been a member of the MITRE Board of Trustees since 1999. (MITRE website) * Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs (JINSA) board member. [website]. Adm. (Ret.) William Owens * Board member of five companies (some of which are listed below), which received more than $60 million in defense contracts during 2002. [Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03b] * Current co-chief executive officer and vice chairman of Teledesic LLC. [Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03] * Board member of Symantec, a technology/internet security company that was awarded more than $60 million in defense contracts in 2002. Pentagon contracts during the previous year had amounted to considerably less - only $95,000. * Former president, chief operating officer and vice chair of Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC). [Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03] * Former vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. [Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03] * Architect of the Revolution in Military Affairs (RMA), an advanced systems technology approach to military operations.[Center for Public Integrity, 3/28/03] source Saudi Arabia is beside the point??? No it's not. it is.... If one of your primary reasons for going to war is because Iraq run by a tyrant then you must be against all countries who are run by tyrants or your point is lost. i am not saying it is a primary, or even secondary reason for it. what i'm saying is that in and of itself, there is nothing worse about overthrowing an internal tyrant than a foreign invader. aggressing against a legitimate government is an immoral act in and of itself. attacking a brutal dictatorship is not. the author of the list seems to believe that it is.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: fft2]
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awsome post 100% pure gade a work
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: ]
#2906981 - 07/19/04 11:04 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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mushmaster said: So you think Hussein killed 10,000 people each year? No friggin' way.
it's been 16 months since the invasion. that's 7,500 per year. hussein was in power for about 30 years. i've seen 300,000 ss a low estimate for the number of civilians killed by hussein. this figure represents only political opponents, ethnic undesirables, and the like, which he had murdered. it doesn't include the hundreds of thousands more killed during the two wars he initiated or the economic sanctions that resulted. so yeah, i'd say 10,000 a year easily, and certainly 7,500.
Ok. The US estimate that Saddam killed 300000 over 34 years. This works out at 8823.5 a year. The US is cruising at 7500 a year. The difference is 1323.5. In a country they are supposedly liberating. They are only managing to kill 1323 people less a year than a complete nutter. Is this acceptable to you?
source for US stats
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: JPZ]
#2907003 - 07/19/04 11:14 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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even considering the duration of time, what was routine for him was worse than we inflicted through the war to eliminate him. my point is that civilian casualties must be put into perspective.
look... i didn't support the war. i think it was a bad idea even now, though it's gone far better than i thought it would.
there are very good reasons for opposing to the war. accusations about oil, defying the UN, attacking a "sovereign" nation, or killing civilians are not good ones. unfortunately, they are the ones most often cited.
how about simply stating that it was a huge, expensive misallocation of military resources and will do more harm than good on the terrorism front? it was a mistake, but it was a mistake detrimental to americans, and not the iraqis nor anyone else.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: ]
#2907026 - 07/19/04 11:20 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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how about simply stating that it was a huge, expensive misallocation of military resources and will do more harm than good on the terrorism front? it was a mistake, but it was a mistake detrimental to americans, and not the iraqis nor anyone else
I agree. In what way was it detrimental to the US, in your opinion?
I think;
wasted lives. waste of money loss of respect for US in the world (i know everyone's gonna say who cares?)
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: JPZ]
#2907212 - 07/20/04 12:24 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Add to that: it will breed many more terrorists, and all of them will want American blood on their hands as they die.
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Re: George W Bush , how does his first term add up? [Re: JPZ]
#2909206 - 07/20/04 03:47 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree. In what way was it detrimental to the US, in your opinion? 1. US soldiers have been, and are continuing to be, killed and maimed. (i was perhaps a little too anxious to rip apart each and every line from that list as i possibly could. writing off american casualties and saying, "oh well, it's war", as i did, was ungrounded. those soldiers died for a cause of the sort that US soldiers should not be expected to participate. 2. it has, at least for the time being, turned iraq into a much worse terrorist haven than it was under hussein. it has also given terrorists groups some great new propaganda material. who knows if and when we'll be able to get the situation under control. it has enlarged the terrorist threat more than decreased it. 3. it has already cost the american taxpayer billions of dollars and continues to be very costly.
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