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InvisibleSwami
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The Devil
    #2901668 - 07/18/04 03:33 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Real, symbolic myth or psychological bugaboo?


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Re: The Devil [Re: Swami]
    #2901679 - 07/18/04 03:43 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I think if any such being exists, by definition he thrives in the shadows..we will never know. God himself is probably barely aware of him.

I don't think he exists- I think he is the ultimate bogeyman figleaf for mankind to project their faults upon. "The devil made me do it."


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Re: The Devil [Re: Jellric]
    #2901683 - 07/18/04 03:47 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Everyone else has gone to bed - what does that tell us Jell?


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Re: The Devil [Re: Swami]
    #2901694 - 07/18/04 03:53 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Perhaps we are given this sliver of time to wish ill upon our fellow S&P'ers..quick think fast for the day breaketh soon..


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Re: The Devil [Re: Jellric]
    #2901703 - 07/18/04 04:00 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Methinks we must both be possessed to not have normal needs for sleep and must repent.


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Re: The Devil [Re: Swami]
    #2901722 - 07/18/04 04:23 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

*throws back head and cackles gleefully*


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Re: The Devil [Re: Jellric]
    #2901818 - 07/18/04 06:59 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The mark of the beast!

*throws holy water on Jellric*

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Re: The Devil [Re: Swami]
    #2902098 - 07/18/04 10:51 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The devil is real. He sells weed to children and makes quite a living.

or

An attempt to explain "bad" instincts.


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Re: The Devil [Re: Swami]
    #2902106 - 07/18/04 10:55 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

A cop-out used by religious people to avoid having to think for themselves. If they are confronted with some logic which contradicts their beliefs, it is the work of the devil, and thus can and must be ignored.


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Re: The Devil [Re: Jellric]
    #2902122 - 07/18/04 10:59 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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God himself is probably barely aware of him.




Job 1:6-8 (NIV)
"One day the angels came to present themselves before the lord, and satan also came with them. The lord said to satan, " Where have you come from?" Satan answered the lord, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."

Myself, I feel that satan(the devil) uses influence of thought to keep people from understanding them self's, and tries to prevent us humans from reaching "enlightenment". If satan is a real physical being or created from paranoid thoughts, or moral conviction I have no idea.

But if he and god get together for a chat every now and then, then one is just as real as the other.


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Re: The Devil [Re: Swami]
    #2902135 - 07/18/04 11:01 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I know the Devil...he lives inside of me....a good dude, but a troublemaker sometimes.

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Re: The Devil [Re: Swami]
    #2902144 - 07/18/04 11:03 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

why would he have so many advocates!

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    #2902206 - 07/18/04 11:25 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: The Devil [Re: dorkus]
    #2902229 - 07/18/04 11:32 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Kind of a Motel 666?


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Re: The Devil [Re: FlusH]
    #2902246 - 07/18/04 11:41 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

FlusH said:
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God himself is probably barely aware of him.




Job 1:6-8 (NIV)
"One day the angels came to present themselves before the lord, and satan also came with them. The lord said to satan, " Where have you come from?" Satan answered the lord, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."




I read through Job and it seems like there was a differant pantheon of Gods back then when this story came about. Somewhere in Job, I think Satan was referred to come and present himself before the lord with God's sons. Job 1:6

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Re: The Devil [Re: Swami]
    #2902332 - 07/18/04 12:10 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The "Devil" is not quite an exact being or entity, but a state of being. Everybody has a devil on one shoulder and an angel on the other shoulder.

The figure or image of the Devil, as I'm sure we all know, was created out of a primitive mindset to 'splainify why people do bad, bad, things sometimes.

Yet, even today, there are people walking around who passionately believe there is a red-tinted man-goat with a goatee, horns, pitchfork, and big black cape that will administer punishments in the form of pineapple-rectum insertations for all eternity, because you ate meat on Friday, and that is a big no-no according to an ethereal entity that is projected (and reflected upon) by Christian authorities.

Insane world.



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Re: The Devil [Re: FlusH]
    #2902401 - 07/18/04 12:24 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

"One day the angels came to present themselves before the lord, and satan also came with them. The lord said to satan, " Where have you come from?" Satan answered the lord, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."


so wait a minute, the all knowing god asked a question of where satan came from??? how can this be?


symbolically i think the devil as skorp suggests rests on each of our shoulders. but it's just a piece of imagery to describe a certrain aspect of human behavior.


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: The Devil [Re: Swami]
    #2903003 - 07/18/04 03:55 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

evil does exist in many forms/shapes/ways...
There is a strong correlation between myth and psycholgy.


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Re: The Devil [Re: MAGnum]
    #2903067 - 07/18/04 04:24 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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I read through Job and it seems like there was a differant pantheon of Gods back then when this story came about. Somewhere in Job, I think Satan was referred to come and present himself before the lord with God's sons. Job 1:6





I am not sure about this, my bible does not go this far into that scene. I only have a New International Version. I am not saying that you are making an untrue statement, I just don't know.


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Re: The Devil [Re: kaiowas]
    #2903083 - 07/18/04 04:36 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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so wait a minute, the all knowing god asked a question of where satan came from??? how can this be?




Who know's, maybe god was humoring satan?  I will ask god next time I see him ( I should be getting my cactus soon...):grin:

If a person believes that a god exists, then they most likely believe that the devil does as well.  However this person believes they exist will be true to them.  ie, if someone believes satan will come in the form of a ghost and repress you or implant suggestions, that might happen to that person.  Some might call this scizophrenia.  and if this really happened to said person, who really can say that the scizophrenic symtoms that are happening were not inspired by this greater being.


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Re: The Devil [Re: FlusH]
    #2903350 - 07/18/04 06:28 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think that if you believe in a God, you must believe in a devil. I think the idea of there being a devil is utter bullshit. But God.... I'll never know.

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Re: The Devil [Re: FlusH]
    #2903353 - 07/18/04 06:30 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

When I talk to God I consult the Devil (he like me to call him Lucifer...I called him Lucy once and he got real pissed) as well. Always get both sides of the story.

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Re: The Devil [Re: Jellric]
    #2903361 - 07/18/04 06:32 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Jellric said:
I don't think he exists- I think he is the ultimate bogeyman figleaf for mankind to project their faults upon. "The devil made me do it."



Dier von satan!

Holding the view that the devil does exist: The devil influences a person's decision... if anyone does blame the devil for making them do something should be forced to become the next goatse.cx gif with a dildo rammed right up their ass

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Re: The Devil [Re: Swami]
    #2905725 - 07/19/04 03:01 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The devil is the personificaiton of the recognition of patterns that repeat in time.
It is the old god and the beginning of wisdom and the burden of age.
It has been demonized, because it thinks. Are you in league with it Swami?

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Re: The Devil [Re: falcon]
    #2905734 - 07/19/04 03:09 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Oh shit, you've done it now!  :devil:


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Re: The Devil [Re: falcon]
    #2905760 - 07/19/04 03:19 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Are you in league with it Swami?

How can one be "in league" with one's self?


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Re: The Devil [Re: Swami]
    #2905818 - 07/19/04 03:43 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Symbolic myth. The Lord is the creator and master of the devil (the ultimate demon), the Lord is responsible for all evil attributed to the devil as the devil is his agent, a creation of his mind. Man was created in the image of the Lord, we create our own demons. Man is responsible for all evil attributed to demons, as demons arise out of the minds of men - minds which direct purposeful actions that result in harm to others (it is men who become demons).

... or something like that.


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Re: The Devil [Re: Swami]
    #2905845 - 07/19/04 03:49 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

You must repent and turn from the path you are on. When you repeat yourself, you are in league with what you are. Repetition is the devils playground.

I think I'll back out of here quietly now there is some saying about not teaching the devil to parse, or someth9ing like that.

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Re: The Devil [Re: falcon]
    #2905942 - 07/19/04 04:14 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Say that again, please.


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Re: The Devil [Re: falcon]
    #2906011 - 07/19/04 04:31 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

"Repetition is the devils playground."

we then, I guess these words are of the devil too since own main source of learning and retaining knowledge is through repetition. like how we learned to talk, to write, to read, to do math, etc.


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