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OfflineMcKennaFan
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Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS)
    #2899468 - 07/17/04 11:34 AM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Ok so my jars are at 30 days as of today, and I have some problems.

1st- As you can see the cakes are not 100% colonized, and as I noticed this morning, I'm starting to get pins on the sides of the cake that are well colonized. As you can see from the pics most of the sides are colonized well, but the tops/bottoms didnt turn out that well  :frown:

So what do I do, It was reccomended that I try to cut out the parts of the cake that are un-colonized, but I wanted some more advice and pics just so I can be sure what my next step is.

Question-Can i birth the cakes with the little bit of un-colonized area's or is it mandatory to remove these area's?

ok anyway on with the pics thaks all in advance


ok as you can see here not all of the cake is colonized



and here the top is not completely colonized



*Well my bad I didnt resize the pics so I'm outa space LOL

anyway the rest of my jars are at mostly at the same colonization percent as the pics above. What do you guys/gals suggest i do at this point?


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Re: Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS) [Re: McKennaFan]
    #2899480 - 07/17/04 11:44 AM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Yes, you'll need to cut off the uncolonized part of the cake. It will be prone to contams if you dont.


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Re: Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS) [Re: QandA]
    #2899485 - 07/17/04 11:46 AM (13 years, 13 days ago)

I'd case them that way you can just crumble out the unused substrate.


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Re: Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS) [Re: CactusMonkey]
    #2899522 - 07/17/04 12:16 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Well Cactus this is my first attempt at this, and I have never casted before, and I think what my problem is with these jars is (1)-the water content was to high in my jar mix (2) my inc temp was set to high, it jumped from 82 to like 90 something for a couple days and I didnt catch it, so I got to much mosture and evaporation from to much heat, and well now to much condinsation on the indise of the jars has stopped them from growing  :frown:

Anyway I'm a bit hesitant to cast on my first try, also due to the fact that my mosture wasnt right in my jars, my luck LOL I'd screw up the mosture content in the casting mix as well HEHEH but undoubtably this might be my only option for a saved operation, as there is quite a bit of un-colonized area's, and that would be alot of cutting at the cake.


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Re: Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS) [Re: McKennaFan]
    #2899530 - 07/17/04 12:25 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Don't fret Catctus,

You can save the cakes as others advised by removing uncolonized areas but this can be tricky. Cross contamination from handling them in a quasi-surgical manner has happened to me back in PF cake days. So, you might want to try casing for your first time. It will increase your yeilds, help prevent cross contamination, and give your cakes a chance to finish colonizing. Just remember read up in the forum about casing and cross contamination. As for casing I suggest Jiffy Mix soil, its pH balanced (the hardest part for newb), and retains moisture great.

BTW - i suggest starting some new brood jars and saving just a tad bit of colonized area from the cakes to continue the cycle just in case things go wrong, and.. so next time you can do even better. Remember, you get better each time, so keep trying.


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    #2899548 - 07/17/04 12:36 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)



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Re: Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS) [Re: Citric]
    #2899564 - 07/17/04 12:48 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Domey they were in a tub-in-tub incubator the entire time no light, but I noticed today on one of the cakes that there were little white nubs starting to form, I assume these are the beginings of pins. its hard to explain but it looks like little white worms that are comming out of the bottom sides of a couple jars. but very very small like half the size of a maggot, soory for the discription :frown: but there is no color to the tip if these things, am I right in assuming they are pins?

Also about the cutting If i cut I'll be doing alot of cutting it would seem, as a good part of the cakes are un-colonized..well you can see from the pic

I'm undecided as what to do, but something has to be done and done soon. Thanks for all the help so far guys/gals I really appricate it.


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    #2899566 - 07/17/04 12:50 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)



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Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash:  I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers :whack:
Hyphae:  Yes  "Loss of moisture from the substrate"  is not a casing trigger.  :cuckoo:

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Re: Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS) [Re: McKennaFan]
    #2899567 - 07/17/04 12:50 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

ohh also forgot I have not mastered searching the shroomery, I have found info on casing, but could someone give me a link on a good casing tek for beginers, if this is the route I decide to go, I just want to read up a bit, but I still am really undecided.


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Re: Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS) [Re: McKennaFan]
    #2899577 - 07/17/04 12:53 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

ohh and another thing I'm using a perlite teraruim, so I'm wondering about humidity levels, I know castings like a bit lower humidity, so will casting in this enviroment work ok, or will i have to much humidity in a perlite teraruim?

Thanks again all


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    #2899578 - 07/17/04 12:53 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)



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Self Healing lid tek
Fast, easy, fool proof inoculation
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash:  I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers :whack:
Hyphae:  Yes  "Loss of moisture from the substrate"  is not a casing trigger.  :cuckoo:

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Re: Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS) [Re: Citric]
    #2899599 - 07/17/04 01:01 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Here ya go http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/3288  Oh and it's called casing, not casting.  :smirk:


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Re: Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS) [Re: QandA]
    #2899633 - 07/17/04 01:26 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Are you sure you pressure cooked it? I had a friend who thought he could just baked it in a seal container with water at 350F but ended up baking the substrate. It dries out somewhat and colonization was weak and slow, but after literally about 75-85 days he came out clean with only about a 40% contam rate. The jars actually did really well after that once he cased them, because they got hydrated like hell.

If you are to mess around with them, I would only use 50% of them, and keep the ones that are doing somewhat better. Eventually you'll get a little success and be able to use those precious spores. Once you get your own fresh and highly sporulated syringe(s), you'll be colonizing in no time at all.


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Re: Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS) [Re: Citric]
    #2899635 - 07/17/04 01:26 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

Domey said:
Those are rhizos.

Birth, cut, and lay them down and fruit.





Doomey would you suggest a dunk and roll at this point, I mean after I cut would you recommend a dunk before fruiting, or a dunk and roll even? or just cut and fruit?


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Re: Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS) [Re: McKennaFan]
    #2899645 - 07/17/04 01:30 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

If there is enough to myc to hold the cake together, yes, dunk and roll.


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Re: Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS) [Re: McKennaFan]
    #2899662 - 07/17/04 01:42 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Alright lets first see if you have a problem. These growths do the look like they have a smooth skin to them or do they look like pieces of rope or string?
Should you decide to birth cut the uncolonized parts and heat up a nail and touch it to any exposed substrate parts that you may have to leave. Myc won't grow on the burnt substrate but neither will contams.
Do not cut anything off the cake. If there primorida (starting shrooms) then you want to grow them, if it's rizzo growth you want to put them back in the incubator and leave em. Rizzo myc growth is the best there is. Rizzo is when the myc looks like ropes.

Rhyzomorph : root like. A adjective used to decribe the apperance of the myc of some mushroom strains. Rhyzomorphic growing myc is usually a sign of a well fruiting strain.


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Re: Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS) [Re: Magash]
    #2899677 - 07/17/04 01:50 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Magash well this is a bit of a tuff one, on most of the jars the sides are like a smooth skin, but I did have the ropey strands at one point, in fact on some spots on the jar there is still some ropey strands, but it appears that in the past 5 days they have stopped growing, the strainds are not reaching out with the aggresivness as before, and as you can see from the pics it appears to have stopped altogether.

I belive these little guys are primordia, they dont look like the ropey strainds, there to fat for that, but from what I have seen this isnt the ropy growth your refering to.

ohh and these ar PR strain.

Thanks again all for the help...I needed it


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Re: Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS) [Re: McKennaFan]
    #2899686 - 07/17/04 01:53 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Ok, lets see what we can do. Is the tape off the jars or are the holes open? Did you try flipping the jars at all?


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    #2899691 - 07/17/04 01:57 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)



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Self Healing lid tek
Fast, easy, fool proof inoculation
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash:  I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers :whack:
Hyphae:  Yes  "Loss of moisture from the substrate"  is not a casing trigger.  :cuckoo:

My final Grow!


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Re: Jars at 30 days...what do I do?? (PICS) [Re: Citric]
    #2899696 - 07/17/04 01:59 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Good catch, domey. Yeah, it takes forever for them to colonize with no air.


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