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OfflineAdamist
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Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack"
    #2897717 - 07/16/04 06:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5637434

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior House Democratic lawmaker was skeptical on Sunday of a Bush administration idea to obtain the authority to delay the November presidential election in case of an attack by al Qaeda,
U.S. counterterrorism officials are looking at an emergency proposal on the legal steps needed to postpone the presidential election in case of such an attack, Newsweek reported on Sunday.

"I think it's excessive based on what we know," said Rep. Jane Harman of California, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, in a interview on CNN's "Late Edition."

Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge warned last week that Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network want to attack within the United States to try to disrupt the election.

Harman said Ridge's threat warning "was a bust" because it was based on old information.

Newsweek cited unnamed sources who told it that the Department of Homeland Security asked the Justice Department last week to review what legal steps would be needed to delay the vote if an attack occurred on the day before or on election day.

The department was asked to review a letter from DeForest Soaries, chairman of the new U.S. Election Assistance Commission, in which he asked Ridge to ask Congress for the power to put off the election in the event of an attack, Newsweek reported in its issue out on Monday.

The commission was created in 2002 to provide funds to states to replace punch card voting systems and provide other assistance in conducting federal elections.

In his letter, Soaries wrote that while New York's Board of Elections suspended primary elections in New York on the day of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, "the federal government has no agency that has the statutory authority to cancel and reschedule a federal election."

Homeland Security Department spokesman Brian Rochrkasse told the magazine the agency is reviewing the matter "to determine what steps need to be taken to secure the election."

Republican Rep. Christopher Cox of California, who chairs the House Homeland Security Committee, told CNN that the idea of legislation allowing the election to be postponed was similar to what had already been looked at in terms of how to respond to an attack on Congress.

"These are doomsday scenarios. Nobody expects that they're going to happen," he said. "But we're preparing for all these contingencies now."


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: Adamist]
    #2899267 - 07/17/04 08:43 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

what a bunch of bullshit, what an asshole


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: Adamist]
    #2899301 - 07/17/04 09:15 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Fucking Constitution violater. I guess he needs more time to rig things up...


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: monoamine]
    #2899471 - 07/17/04 11:38 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So, an attack hits Chicago. The city shuts down as did NYC. No-one in the city can vote.

The election, in your opinion should continue? Millions can't vote? That's OK with you?

A PA&L discussion on the topic.


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2899743 - 07/17/04 02:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

... and if Bush didn't ask for this authority... and an attack happened on election day in a highly democratic area, every last democrat would be blaming Bush for stealing the election using the terrorists... saying that he knew about the attack and ignored it so that he could steal another election, etc...

It is a no-win situation, either way.  I think we need to have a plan in place, but I have no idea what the plan should be...

As LDS said, PA&L has a good discussion going on about this topic...  :smile:


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: Seuss]
    #2899851 - 07/17/04 03:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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in a highly democratic area



and that would be just about every major city in the country.


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every last democrat would be blaming Bush for stealing the election using the terrorists



Exactly!


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saying that he knew about the attack and ignored it so that he could steal another election



In order to steal "another" election, he'd have needed to have stolen the first. He did not do so.


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I think we need to have a plan in place



Absolutely. even if there is no terrorist attack, what of a major earthquake in libbie heaven.... San Francisco? Same result.


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but I have no idea what the plan should be...



Make me "Supreme Omnipotent Ruler For Life".


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2899890 - 07/17/04 03:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

> Make me "Supreme Omnipotent Ruler For Life".

If you can get the government out of my day to day life, I would vote for you... I would vote for anybody that could do that.


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: Seuss]
    #2900308 - 07/17/04 06:16 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:
> Make me "Supreme Omnipotent Ruler For Life".

If you can get the government out of my day to day life, I would vote for you... I would vote for anybody that could do that.




Then dont vote left.


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: Redo]
    #2900959 - 07/17/04 11:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Redo said:
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Seuss said:
> Make me "Supreme Omnipotent Ruler For Life".

If you can get the government out of my day to day life, I would vote for you... I would vote for anybody that could do that.




Then dont vote left.


:thumbup: or right for that matter.


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: z@z.com]
    #2901833 - 07/18/04 09:21 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I don't care about left or right... I just want the authoritative side to go away.


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: Seuss]
    #2902094 - 07/18/04 12:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Its a shame when the President of a country is accused of such immoral mischief.


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: Seuss]
    #2902317 - 07/18/04 02:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:
I don't care about left or right... I just want the authoritative side to go away.




Then buy your own island  :smile:


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: Adamist]
    #2902967 - 07/18/04 05:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I have a great idea!

We can call up the national guard to guard the cities on election day... that way if those terrorists try any shenanigans, the National Guard will be there to...

oh, wait a minute, that won't work...

The National guard is already busy, off guarding...

another nation.


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #2903791 - 07/18/04 11:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Im sure we can handle ourselves before the election, want to station a guard on every square block? What are you going to do?


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2904102 - 07/19/04 01:20 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What on god's green earth can possibly stop an entire city of people from voting in an election??!?!!? There would practically need to be terrorists hiding INSIDE the voting booths.....


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #2904316 - 07/19/04 03:03 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

9/11 happened on the day of the mayor election in NYC and they delayed... so its possible that this could happen on the presidential level, and i think it's a good idea if we are prepared.


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #2904516 - 07/19/04 05:46 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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What on god's green earth can possibly stop an entire city of people from voting in an election??!?!!? There would practically need to be terrorists hiding INSIDE the voting booths.....



Very little. But as was pointed on 9/11 stopped the elections in the city.

Why couldn't a major earthquake do the same? Even if only a few hundred thousand couldn't vote, what of them? Should their votes not count?

As Seuss said, Bush is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. This is something that the rules should have been in place for years ago.

Or are you really so devoid of imagination that you can see no possibility of a need to delay an election?


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2906907 - 07/20/04 12:37 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I do agree that absolutely everyone should be able to vote, but I just cant come up with a scenario that would totally prevent a sizeable amount of people from being able to communicate with the outside world in any way, shape, or form for the durration of an election....

maybe there is, maybe there isnt..but, a massive emergency would unite the place like most people have never seen... where theres a will, theres a way....


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #2907572 - 07/20/04 06:00 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I do agree that absolutely everyone should be able to vote



That's good of you.


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but I just cant come up with a scenario that would totally prevent a sizeable amount of people from being able to communicate with the outside world in any way, shape, or form for the durration of an election....




May your imagination rest in peace.

You don't have to lose communication, just the ability or desire to get to the polls.

Dirty bomb, major earthquake, power outages such as the one that recently affected a huge part of the country.

I'm stunned you were unable to think of any. Easer just to imagine Bush is doing for personal gain rather than for you to think it through I guess.


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Re: Bush wants to delay November election in case of "attack [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2908442 - 07/20/04 02:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Dirty bomb, major earthquake, power outages such as the one that recently affected a huge part of the country.

I'm stunned you were unable to think of any.




why does this leave me with the impression that the article achieved it's goals with you?

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