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 Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? 
#28968930 - 10/01/24 02:36 PM (13 days, 7 minutes ago) |
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Hi all, newb grower here. I have determined that I live in a high mold/mildew area. I do keep a clean house, so it's unlikely that is the issue. But all of my attempts have been set back by mold. And I'll only be able to grow just a few mushrooms per attempt.
I do not have the room to make an attempt at stopping the mold. So I wanted to stop by and ask if it's possible to purchase something that comes pre-sterilized. That I can grow in. I think this would work because I've had success growing mycelium in pressure cooked jars I bought off ebay.
The mycelium completely takes over the inside of the jar, without even a trace of mold. Is there a way to just grow the mushrooms inside the jar? Or maybe you have a recommendation on another, better pre sterilized container for this idea. I can get things clean enough to inject, but moving the mycelium to it's next container just seems beyond my capabilities. At least for the foreseeable future.
Thank you
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: bennylava] 1
#28968964 - 10/01/24 03:01 PM (12 days, 23 hours ago) |
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You are looking for PF tek (link below). You can check my 1st grow journal as well. Don't settle for the miracle bags and pre-sterilized ebay stuff. you can do better!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24179086
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: wrongbenson] 1
#28969795 - 10/02/24 08:19 AM (12 days, 6 hours ago) |
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How are you inoculating your jars? Do you have pictures of the jars? The vast majority of the time you get mold, your spawn was compromised and you just didn't know how to identify it as contaminated before you spawned it.
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: PBJ710] 1
#28970684 - 10/03/24 12:07 AM (11 days, 14 hours ago) |
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How are you inoculating your jars? Do you have pictures of the jars? The vast majority of the time you get mold, your spawn was compromised and you just didn't know how to identify it as contaminated before you spawned it.
Just cause it's white don't mean it's right. Even trich mold starts out white.
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: PBJ710]
#28972159 - 10/04/24 08:26 AM (10 days, 6 hours ago) |
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I appreciate your faith in me, but after several failures I'm just not up to it. The success I had finally came with by using grow bags.
So I would like to ask if anyone here is proficient in their use.
My problem was that you began to get mushrooms before the bag was fully colonized. Does this mean you should leave the bag closed? Or should you open it and risk mold, just to pick the mushrooms?
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: bennylava]
#28972188 - 10/04/24 08:41 AM (10 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Plenty of people here are proficient in grow bags use - they just make their own grow bags, not settle for the tripe that is sold by many vendors.
Mushrooms need fresh air. If the only port is the gas exchange port and few air holes, then yes if shrooms are growing you want to LITFA. Conditions need to be evaporation off 99% humidity, with a fair amount of air exchange. You can tell if your shrooms need Air too based on how spindly and weak looking they appear once they get going (although a few species are spindly by default). That's a sure sign you should increase FAE.
People just want you to try to learn something with much higher success rate if you do it correctly. I can assure you unless your house is an unholy dump it's very unlikely you live in a uniquely germ filled environment unsuited to monotubs and jars. And even if you did, pf Tek would be your best bet, not grow bags.
In any event you seen pretty set on what you want to do regardless of advice and I commend that since a lot of this hobby is making decisions on your own and you have to become good at that.
So I hope you succeed the way you want to, despite our advice not to do grow bags right now.
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Edited by QuantumZ00 (10/04/24 08:42 AM)
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: QuantumZ00]
#28972251 - 10/04/24 09:45 AM (10 days, 4 hours ago) |
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Member Fahster has a thread on Faht-loc, which includes top-fruiting using a plastic bag for the humidity + fae.
Member Violet has fruiting-in-jar method as well.
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wrongbenson
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: Imatryin]
#28972332 - 10/04/24 10:52 AM (10 days, 3 hours ago) |
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Imatryin said:
Member Fahster has a thread on Faht-loc, which includes top-fruiting using a plastic bag for the humidity + fae.
Member Violet has fruiting-in-jar method as well.
adding one more:
Pf tek - cronicr
Edited by wrongbenson (10/04/24 10:52 AM)
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: QuantumZ00]
#28972719 - 10/04/24 04:33 PM (9 days, 22 hours ago) |
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I do want to learn how to grow in tubs for high yield. But for the foreseeable future, I need to keep it small and inexpensive. For right now, I think pre-sterilized all in one kits are right for me.
So I'm learning how to make grow bags function properly.
I noticed that you said "many" sellers are selling poor grow bags. Does that mean you know of someone selling good ones? If so I would like to know so I can buy from them.
I have learned that not allowing light in will prevent premature pinning and hopefully fruiting. That should be easy to control. The humidity and air flow (since it's in a sealed bag) might be more difficult.
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: bennylava]
#28972737 - 10/04/24 04:42 PM (9 days, 22 hours ago) |
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I just wish you were hearing us when we said pf tek was your best bet. It's super easy, you are virtually guaranteed some shrooms!
But as far as "good" vendor all-in-one-bags, let me be crystal... the very best shroomery sponsors don't fuck with that stuff. Because it is inherently unreliable.
In your position, to me, the best option is pf tek. It's so easy. Buy BRF on Amazon, some vermiculite and water. Follow that shroomery recipe, I promise you will get shrooms. I've started always having a pf tek grow alongside my regular tubs even though I've grown successfully a bunch of times now because pf tek is so easy it guarantees me yield even if my tubs fail.
I know sometimes given money sunk and personal pride it is hard to change course. I get it, believe me. But this is the cheapest, most guaranteed way of getting shrooms... I promise. I wouldn't pull your leg or try to get you to do something that was more difficult.
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Edited by QuantumZ00 (10/04/24 04:43 PM)
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: bennylava] 1
#28972807 - 10/04/24 05:34 PM (9 days, 21 hours ago) |
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bennylava said:
My problem was that you began to get mushrooms before the bag was fully colonized. Does this mean you should leave the bag closed? Or should you open it and risk mold, just to pick the mushrooms?
Fruiting before the spawn is fully colonized is commonly found with contaminated spawn that's putting out a last ditch effort to reproduce before imminent death occurs. Normally it's a horrible idea to expose uncolonized grain to open air, but in your case it's probably the only chance you'll get to harvest any fruits since the rest of the spawn is likely colonized by bacteria.
If you're shooting MS directly into AIO/grain bags, you'll always be rolling the dice just hoping your MS was clean (it's actually pretty uncommon even from some of the best vendors) and that you didn't allow any contams in during the inoculation process. If you start using agar to clean up your cultures before sending it to grain, you'll get dramatically better results to the point that it's hard to make them fail before getting a nice flush. PFtek has the advantage of being very bacteria resistant due to the physical structure of the substrate and will often work even with dirtier MS syringes.
I've literally got black and green mold growing in the walls behind where I fruit my tubs and they consistently throw solid canopies until the spawn is spent.
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: PBJ710]
#28973075 - 10/04/24 08:43 PM (9 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Plenty of great answers and guides from experienced people here.
I'll just add my own "newb" experience. I started first with sterilized cakes PF Tek kit that I had purchased. It worked.
Then got sterilized grain jars to do the tub method with a bag of the sterilized substrate and made it work great! Always injected with spore syringe...
I'm not sure if we are allowed to mention any vendor (delete if this is out of the rules) but I got those kits from a midwest grow kit company, I visited them once to see how they were set up and they seemed to be taking things seriously.
Can't speak for any other since I didn't try.
The spores I did see big differences in the syringes quality between vendors.
Today I am trying everything on my own as I'm in a different place and I'm also getting into agar - more tricky but safer it seems in the long run.
Tons of great learning!
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: PBJ710]
#28973595 - 10/05/24 08:31 AM (9 days, 6 hours ago) |
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I did get a few when I tried the PF tek (more than once) but mold always won. When I used the bag at least I got around 20 medium sized shrooms and about 10 smaller ones. If I had to guess, ultimately I will probably skip the PF tek entirely once I get the sterile technique down. Because it doesn't produce as much as spawning to bulk.
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: QuantumZ00]
#28973597 - 10/05/24 08:36 AM (9 days, 6 hours ago) |
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I did get a few when I tried the PF tek (more than once) but mold always won. For me it's less about personal pride and more about personal experience. What I really want to learn is spawning to bulk from grain jars since it produces so much more. And I would like to have a few pounds in the freezer.
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: bennylava]
#28973607 - 10/05/24 08:47 AM (9 days, 5 hours ago) |
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That might actually work for me, and I'll probably try that at some point. Buying pre-sterilized PF tek cakes. Back when I went looking, all I could find was the bags and the grain jars but this was about 10 years ago.
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: bennylava] 1
#28973985 - 10/05/24 01:40 PM (9 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Either use syringes for pftek or learn agar. Everything else will just cause you headaches.
You can always start mycelium on a brf puck and transfer some clean growth to an agar plate.
Contams are undoubtedly caused by bad spawn.
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: HappinessStan]
#28975517 - 10/06/24 12:39 PM (8 days, 2 hours ago) |
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From all my old research (10 years ago) everyone was saying that you were getting contamination when you were doing the transfers. It's only now that I learn that some trusted sellers will sometimes have contaminated spore syringes.
Or they are selling contaminated bags, or bulk manure substrate. It's almost starting to sound like the only way to be 100% sure is to do everything yourself from your own spore prints.
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: bennylava]
#28975556 - 10/06/24 01:11 PM (8 days, 1 hour ago) |
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bennylava said:
From all my old research (10 years ago) everyone was saying that you were getting contamination when you were doing the transfers. It's only now that I learn that some trusted sellers will sometimes have contaminated spore syringes.
Or they are selling contaminated bags, or bulk manure substrate. It's almost starting to sound like the only way to be 100% sure is to do everything yourself from your own spore prints.
Practically all syringes are inherently dirty. Spores are almost always collected in open air.
This is why we use agar.
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: HappinessStan]
#28979950 - 10/09/24 04:39 PM (4 days, 22 hours ago) |
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So with agar, you avoid this by working in a SAB, correct?
Or are you saying that you doubt the effectiveness of a Laminar flow hood? My intent was to attempt agar with a laminar flow hood eventually.
I did get some pre sterilized PF tek cakes though.
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Re: Still a newb in a high mold area - Can I grow just using the jars? [Re: bennylava]
#28979963 - 10/09/24 04:51 PM (4 days, 21 hours ago) |
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No a laminar flow hood will definitely work, provided your technique is still good. But if you are doing Agar in front of an FFU you should be fine for sure.
I don't have an FFU, I use a SAB. Still works. Just more annoying to do.
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