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sick of false Information
    #2896744 - 07/16/04 01:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm tired of people telling me false information about psychedelics when they don't know shit.Last night I was talking to my ex girlfriend,and she stated that Shrooms,Acid and well anything psychedelic puts holes in your brain,obviously this is false.She's a pillhead by the way,also likes cokes and shit...just to give you an idea of what kind of drugs she's into.Anyway,I always defend psychedelics when I hear of such things.Ever come across Idiotic people like this? psh...next time I talk to her I'm going to show her this page from erowid http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=1606


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: Liquid_Dimension]
    #2896758 - 07/16/04 01:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

X gives you holes


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: ld50negative1]
    #2896762 - 07/16/04 01:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

hope your kidding


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: ld50negative1]
    #2896763 - 07/16/04 01:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yes,I'm aware of that.When I think of psychedelic drugs,for some reason I don't find XTC being all that psychedelic though.


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: barfightlard]
    #2896765 - 07/16/04 01:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

im serious


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: Liquid_Dimension]
    #2896774 - 07/16/04 01:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Doesn't XTC decrease the chemical of serotonin found in the brain only?


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: ld50negative1]
    #2896778 - 07/16/04 01:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

well, theres "danger" of a supposed hole - not guarunteed


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: ld50negative1]
    #2896782 - 07/16/04 01:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

increase... low serotonin = depressed


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: ld50negative1]
    #2896787 - 07/16/04 01:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

well your spewing out false info on that too. all that holes in the brain garbage about e is false. all that was based on very poor science. abc recently did a big study and show on all this stuff. it's called ecstacy rising, you should watch it.


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: barfightlard]
    #2896797 - 07/16/04 01:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"well, theres "danger" of a supposed hole - not guarunteed " thats why i posted that, i wasnt 100%


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: ld50negative1]
    #2896805 - 07/16/04 01:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I was replying to your first post. and all the seratonin stuff wasn't 100% true either. that same study was saying after ecstasy use your seratonin levels were up tp 80% depleted for good. but it was proven that you lose around 5% and it can be fully restored after a few months off abstinence.


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: ld50negative1]
    #2896810 - 07/16/04 01:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

you can download ecstacy rising here http://www.maps.org/avarchive/er/


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: barfightlard]
    #2896814 - 07/16/04 01:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i didnt mean that X would do that to serotonin.. i was saying when i a person has low serotonin in general.. = depress


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: Liquid_Dimension]
    #2896968 - 07/16/04 02:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You can thank the mis-information campaigns of the war on drugs for this kind of bullshit filtering its way into "commonly accepted" knowledge. People ultimately perpetuate this themselves because they just repeat what they are being told without doing any sort of research or investigation themselves. I mean, aren't we SUPPOSED to believe everything our government tells us :wink:.

This is why tools like www.erowid.org are INVALUABLE for dispelling myths like this and educating people about what is commonly accepted fact based on contemporary study. I'm not saying that you should believe everything you read on Erowid, but I think you'll find that most people find it to be the best source of RELIABLE information on drug use, period.

This crap about Esctasy causing holes in your brain is another example. This was from a study based on HORRID science in which the drug sample they were actually testing was METH, not MDMA. Contemporary research HAS shown that MDMA may temporarily reduce seritonin levels, but with abstenance for small periods these levels restore themselves. MDMA does NOT, I repeat does NOT, "eat holes in your brain."

Don't let people get away with perpetuating that mis-information. Correct them with the knowlege you have actually based on good research, and if they argue with you, point them to the reasources where they can read and research for themselves... and then ask them why they are stupid enough to believe everything they are told by their government :cool:.


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: ld50negative1]
    #2896985 - 07/16/04 02:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

NO drugs put "holes in your brain".... they cannot rip parts of your brain tissue out now can they? certain drugs can however change the way you brain makes connections to neuro-transmitters.... sometimes if certain areas are overused for extended periods of time , they become kindof dulled to certain neuro-transmitters. as is the case with mdma ( a form of methamphetamine) which causes your brain to flood with serotonin and dopamine...... after extended use, your brain becomes use to the high levels and when you come down your brain isnt quite as responsive to those neurons...............


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: psilocyber]
    #2897321 - 07/16/04 04:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The serotonin depletion theory is a long, long way from being proved too. There are people who have taken ecstasy over a thousand times who still have more serotonin than people who have never taken it.


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: ld50negative1]
    #2897370 - 07/16/04 04:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The only drugs that have a decent amount of evidence for causing holes (very microscopic ones) in your brain are the dissociatives(PCP,DXM,Ketamine,Tilemine) and that is only a theorectical possibilty that hasn't really been proven yet.

The people that propose that MDMA causes "brain damage" claim that it damages microsopic ends (axons to be more specific) of serotonin receptors. This supposedly makes serotonin neurons less responsive. Again,this hasn't really be proven either.

If a drug caused big holes in your brain or makes it bleed,you would die or have serious damage to your body.Obviosly,people do this stuff all the time and they're not dropping off like flies,so draw your own conclusions.


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: Xlea321]
    #2897415 - 07/16/04 04:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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The serotonin depletion theory is a long, long way from being proved too. There are people who have taken ecstasy over a thousand times who still have more serotonin than people who have never taken it.




There is really no direct way to measure the amount of serotonin in someone's brain. The next best thing is an MRI,PET, or some other kind of scan and they only generally show things like how fast certain parts of the brain are using up glucose (sugar basically).Some scans of people both normal and ecstasy users show "holes" on the pictures of these scans. These aren't obviously real holes they are just a computer reprensentation of the outcome of a scan that doesn't represent the physical appearance of a real brain. That's probably partly how the "ecstasy puts holes in your brain" crap got started. And of course some douchbag proproganda artists rammed this perception down the public's throat.


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: Liquid_Dimension]
    #2898119 - 07/16/04 09:04 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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LiQuiD_DiMenSioN said:
I'm tired of people telling me false information about psychedelics when they don't know shit.Last night I was talking to my ex girlfriend,and she stated that Shrooms,Acid and well anything psychedelic puts holes in your brain,obviously this is false.She's a pillhead by the way,also likes cokes and shit...just to give you an idea of what kind of drugs she's into.Anyway,I always defend psychedelics when I hear of such things.Ever come across Idiotic people like this? psh...next time I talk to her I'm going to show her this page from erowid  http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=1606




Keep fighting the good fight!  :thumbup:  I hate that kind of shit too.


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Re: sick of false Information [Re: Liquid_Dimension]
    #2898170 - 07/16/04 09:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

99% of the stuff you hear on the street is completely bogus...the ppl saying it tho will usually defend it to the death...and I'd say theres a fair amount of mis info on this site as well..there are some good posters obviously but you get the kids who don't know shit who probably got their info from the street


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