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Offlinefft2
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Kerry
    #2896488 - 07/16/04 09:46 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

He enlisted(not drafted) in 1966 (Vietnam heck of a time to voluntarily enlist). He did,
indeed risk his life in Vietnam. I'm appreciative of that. I would've hated to
have to spent one day there at that time! He was injured 3 times
during
his brief service. Won a presidential unit citation, and the Vietnam
Service Medal and a Bronze Star (for retrieving an injured man who was
in
the line of heavy fire, while he himself was injured from mine shrapnel
in
the arm too - simplified version of the story) and a Silver Star (in
two
separate incidents, with total disregard to his own personal safety, he
drove his boat up a canal directly into enemy fire within close range
of
the enemy and led successful charges, by surprising the enemy with
these
courageous charges.) and he won a Gold Star. Do you really want to
compare his military record to Bush's? Hmmm.....

He left the military to try to run for office, which was his plan all
along, I'm sure, but after all that he had seen and experienced in
Vietnam,
he wanted more than ever to be involved in the leadership of our
nation.
And if you think there were no lessons to be learned from Vietnam, go
back
and read your history books.

I come from a military family. I served in the military 1980 - 1984 US Army Tactical Wire OPerations Specialist , My father, cousin, brother-in-law,
grandfather, all served during times of war. Believe me I wouldn't
support
anything I thought was harmful to the military. Believe it or not,
there are military people out there that do not support Bush.
That doesn't make them anti-military.

And on that same note, being anti-war, doesn't make you anti-soldier OR
anti-military. Nobody should WANT war. If someone wants war, that's
a
person to truly fear.

I can't wait for the debates! Bush has knack for putting his foot in
his
mouth. He really is a dufous. I'm sorry, but he is.

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Re: Kerry [Re: fft2]
    #2896524 - 07/16/04 10:06 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I want 30 seconds of my life back.

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Re: Kerry [Re: fft2]
    #2896525 - 07/16/04 10:06 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Don't be sorry for saying Bush is a Doofus, The dude used to do crack. I'm sure he fried out his brain real good and that's why he's such a meat wad.

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Re: Kerry [Re: fft2]
    #2896529 - 07/16/04 10:08 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

too bad you can't blame kerry's fried brain on drugs

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Re: Kerry [Re: fft2]
    #2896539 - 07/16/04 10:11 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

why would you compare Bush's and Kerry's service. Im glad Kerry had the balls back then to do something, and be heroic. He needs to take a stand besides Bush-is-wrong-on-everything.

There are soldiers who dont support Bush, but almost all of them do. The moral boost from Bush coming in office was incredible in the military, and it still is.

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Re: Kerry [Re: fft2]
    #2896563 - 07/16/04 10:19 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I was talking about bush's brain being fried. Most ex-crackheads I know aren't as dumb as bush and are probably more adept at running this contry than Bush is anyways.

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Re: Kerry [Re: MAGnum]
    #2896570 - 07/16/04 10:22 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Any proof on how smart he really is? Any proof on him smoking crack? If he did it so what, his life almost certainly never revolved around the drug.

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Re: Kerry [Re: MAGnum]
    #2896578 - 07/16/04 10:24 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Really? Well why don't they then? Do they lack something? Drive perhaps? Please don't be an idiot and compare your crackhead friends to the leader of a country.

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Re: Kerry [Re: Stein]
    #2896592 - 07/16/04 10:27 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I'm voting for Bush just to spite all you guys that hate him. :smile:

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Re: Kerry [Re: ld50negative1]
    #2896597 - 07/16/04 10:29 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

as long as you dont vote for Kerry.

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Re: Kerry [Re: Redo]
    #2896622 - 07/16/04 10:43 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Glad someone here agrees with me, Kerry is a vagina.

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Re: Kerry [Re: ld50negative1]
    #2896627 - 07/16/04 10:45 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

ld50negative1 said:
I'm voting for Bush just to spite all you guys that hate him. :smile:



Don't cut of your nose to spite your face.


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Re: Kerry [Re: silversoul7]
    #2896630 - 07/16/04 10:48 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Too bad you guys aren't my face. I was voting for him anyway.

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Re: Kerry [Re: ld50negative1]
    #2896638 - 07/16/04 10:51 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Your funeral.


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Re: Kerry [Re: silversoul7]
    #2896643 - 07/16/04 10:53 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

*parade

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Re: Kerry [Re: silversoul7]
    #2896645 - 07/16/04 10:54 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Cool

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Re: Kerry [Re: Stein]
    #2896665 - 07/16/04 11:02 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

*deficit


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Re: Kerry [Re: silversoul7]
    #2896671 - 07/16/04 11:04 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

silversoul7 said:
*deficit




last I checked we were gaining, not loosing. Maybe you dont like the low interest rates and strengthening economy.

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Re: Kerry [Re: Redo]
    #2896692 - 07/16/04 11:12 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Ah, you mean the jobless recovery? A good economy is no good without jobs. And we're still heavily in debt, so you can expect inflation to go up, which is basically a tax on everyone.


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Re: Kerry [Re: silversoul7]
    #2896706 - 07/16/04 11:17 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I see aobut 1.3 million new jobs since january, and unemployment down .7%.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/economy/index.html

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Re: Kerry [Re: Redo]
    #2896757 - 07/16/04 11:34 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

> and unemployment down .7%.

Now match that against the increase in prison population over the same time period... notice a trend... people in prison are not considered unemployed...


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Re: Kerry [Re: Seuss]
    #2896785 - 07/16/04 11:41 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I think they're considered criminals.

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Re: Kerry [Re: Redo]
    #2896790 - 07/16/04 11:43 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Redo said:
Any proof on how smart he really is? Any proof on him smoking crack? If he did it so what, his life almost certainly never revolved around the drug.




Bush has trouble denying he did coke
http://www.sonofbush.com/cocaine.htm

I'm telling you he's a fucking old crack head, his hot headed war pollicy is a syntom of him being a crack head. How could you support this man??

http://www.votescam.com/

And crackheads have more drive than anybody, they're addicts!

Simply because Bush became president doesn't make him LEADER of this contry. SORRY BUT THE CITIZENS ARE SUPPOSED TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY THROUGH REPRESENTATION in mother fucking CONGRESS! Bush does not represent Americans, he is supposed to act on our behalf to try to keep America safe. BUSH IS SUPPOSED TO SERVE US AND PROTECT OUR FREEDOM. Instead he passed the patriot act and went to war with Iraq over weapons they didn't even have!!! And don't forget Afghanistan when Bush didn't even find Bin Ladin, let alone kill him.
Do you think stirring up murder and war in the Middle East is going to make us safe from terrorism?? All that is going to do is make our appologies in the next decade for all our short sited atrocities worth shit. All these military ops abroad are just going to come back whether Kharma is a real force or not!
For not standing up and opposing war, For supporting a malicious cause blindly, I fear that many people will pay. In fact, some of those who actively protested our government's actions might end up innocently being punnished for actions made under the name of our whole country.
His administration is corrupt and is going away soon because he just isn't fit for the job. Wait, let me take that back, He's done a GREAT job at showing the true apathy of America toward anyone else.

And BTW, I am sure one of my "crackhead" friends who grew up poor as shit is just as good for the job as he is if not better. Bush was never poor so it makes an even greater gap between the people and him. He doesn't know what it is like to starve in a cold urban street and probably never will. I say the best leader for this contry would be someone who knows what it is like to truly have nothing

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Re: Kerry [Re: fft2]
    #2896839 - 07/16/04 11:59 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

When Bush started out, we had MAD LOOT, but now we have a deficet which is the same value we started with in the negative!! 1.3 million jobs when there are over 270 million living in this contry inwhich a rough 15 million are unemployed? So in less then 15 years we will have everyone in jobs?

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Re: Kerry [Re: Redo]
    #2896864 - 07/16/04 12:06 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

That is 1.3 million over a year and there is still roughly 14 million people unemployed. So do we still need annother 10 years to recover?

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Re: Kerry [Re: MAGnum]
    #2896909 - 07/16/04 12:15 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

MAGnum said:
I say the best leader for this contry would be someone who knows what it is like to truly have nothing




www.kucinich.us
"He is the eldest of 7 children of Frank and Virginia Kucinich. He and his family lived in twenty-one places, including a couple of cars, by the time Kucinich was 17 years old. "I live each day with a grateful heart and a desire to be of service to humanity," he says."

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Re: Kerry [Re: MAGnum]
    #2897049 - 07/16/04 01:00 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

There will always be unemployment. Whats the prison population % boom over the past year or so?

I doubt Bush smoked crack, maybe snorted coke, but who knows, I hate propaganda sites.

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Re: Kerry [Re: Redo]
    #2897173 - 07/16/04 01:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

> Whats the prison population % boom over the past year or so?

I only have numbers for the first two years of the Bush admin, but the prison population has increased about the same percentage as unemployment has descreased during his tenure. (The last I checked, unemployment had dropped a bit faster than the prison population had risen, but not by much...)


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Re: Kerry [Re: Seuss]
    #2897528 - 07/16/04 03:06 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

there isnt nearly as many people incarcerated, so even if the jailbird population increased by 5%, it does not equal the .7% unemployment decrease.

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Re: Kerry [Re: Redo]
    #2897823 - 07/16/04 05:23 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Redo said:
I hate propaganda sites.



:rotfl:


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Re: Kerry [Re: silversoul7]
    #2897946 - 07/16/04 05:59 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

silversoul7 said:
Quote:

Redo said:
I hate propaganda sites.



:rotfl:




:whack:

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Re: Kerry [Re: silversoul7]
    #2897995 - 07/16/04 06:17 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Series Id: LNS14000000Seasonal AdjustedSeries title: (Seas) Unemployment RateLabor force status: Unemployment rateType of data: PercentAge: 16 years and over


Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1994 6.6 6.6 6.5 6.4 6.1 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.9 5.8 5.6 5.5
1995 5.6 5.4 5.4 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.6 5.5 5.6 5.6
1996 5.6 5.5 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.3 5.5 5.1 5.2 5.2 5.4 5.4
1997 5.3 5.2 5.2 5.1 4.9 5.0 4.9 4.8 4.9 4.7 4.6 4.7
1998 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.5 4.5 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.4
1999 4.3 4.4 4.2 4.3 4.2 4.3 4.3 4.2 4.2 4.1 4.1 4.0
2000 4.0 4.1 4.0 3.8 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.1 4.0 3.9 3.9 3.9
2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.4 5.6 5.7
2002 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6.0
2003 5.8 5.9 5.8 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.9 5.7
2004 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.6 5.6 5.6


Now to me this looks like CLinton had a good unemployment rate in '94, he was 2 years into office, was he riding the economic progress of 12 years of GOP in the White house? He brought it steadily down for a few years, good job! All the way down to 3.9 in 2000!!! But look at 2001 on, it seadily rises until it hits 6.3 in 2003, is this Bush's fault? Can one man affect the economy so much in 3 years?? I think not. Now look at the rate decline from 2003, back to 5.6 this month, same rate Clinton had it in 1996. All indications show that this will continue to drop. This is not a Jobless recovery....
It seems that the liberal pundits who make a living attacking the President and his policies are the only ones who don't benefit from his leadership and strong jobs and growth plan. The more successful the President's policies are, the less people listen to these misguided pundits. 52% of Democrats approve of the job President Bush is doing, according to a recent poll. Even Democrat voters are choosing the positive agenda of this President over the false rhetoric of liberal pundits.


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Re: Kerry [Re: coralrives]
    #2898043 - 07/16/04 06:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Look at the .5% hike around sept 11th

beautiful stats coral

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Re: Kerry [Re: coralrives]
    #2899451 - 07/17/04 09:18 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Unemployment statistics are a lagging indicator of economic strength. It typically takes a year or two before the effects of a weakening economy raise unemployment rates. It takes a similar period before a strengthening economy lowers rates. Shift those dates one to two years over and you get a pretty different interpretation of what policies brought unemployment down. Add to that the time it takes for an administration's policies to effect the economy, and you have up to a three year period before the policies will be reflected in the unemployment rate. Look at those numbers with this in mind and the picture is entirely different


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Re: Kerry [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2899477 - 07/17/04 09:40 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

either way it shows Bush is doing well.

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Re: Kerry [Re: MAGnum]
    #2899491 - 07/17/04 09:50 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Bush was never poor so it makes an even greater gap between the people and him. He doesn't know what it is like to starve in a cold urban street and probably never will. I say the best leader for this contry would be someone who knows what it is like to truly have nothing




Kerry doesn't seem to "know what it's like" either... he seems to be enjoying his yachts.

Most of America is richer than the rest of the world, so how is it that by him not living on the streets he can't lead the country? (bush)

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Re: Kerry [Re: ld50negative1]
    #2899642 - 07/17/04 11:29 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Almost no politicians know what 'poor' feels like. Most all of them dont know what it feels like to be middle class either.

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Re: Kerry [Re: fft2]
    #2910788 - 07/20/04 11:26 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Republicans and Democrats are equally fucked up, Libertarians are the only ones who are genuinely concerned about anything..including these dumbass drug laws, ill agree to saying that Kerry is the lesser of the two evils between him an Bush but in my opinion that is no reason to vote for him...the green party, i honestly dont think ralph nader has the energy to run a nation, which leaves me w/ the libertarians...they are the cool ones...unlike the rich boys at the top of the pyramid, or the ones who want to tax the fuck out of you if you go beyond a certain amount of $$ a year..they r in the middle, looking out for the citizen but not fuck'n w/ his/her shit either, while at the same time not pissing off other countries..if this country is going to survive then we need a change from the two house soap opera we have in DC now..and not j/ any change either it would have to be a huge change, changes in policies, changes in, well everything really, from school reform, to medical care reform, Environment, drug laws..ect ect ect.. the Rep.s and the Dem.s are too busy arguing back and forth when there could be a party to actually get serious work done, for the embetterment of all..which is what America needs...now chances are, given the current political environment that "wasting" my vote on a third party would be dumb..but honestly that is the only one that genuinelly makes any sense.. but thats j/ me


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Re: Kerry [Re: GreenHeathen]
    #2911141 - 07/21/04 01:33 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

How do you think a libby pres would respond to say, another 9/11 style incident.

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Re: Kerry [Re: Barbi]
    #2911485 - 07/21/04 07:29 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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mndfreeze said:
How do you think a libby pres would respond to say, another 9/11 style incident.



Keeping in mind that libertarians are not a uniform group, the responses to 9-11 by a libertarian president would have varied. I'd say the most likely option would have been to prosecute the war in Afghanistan and focus all efforts towards the war on terror. Iraq would not have been attacked. Fringe libertarian opinions(irony, etc) would have included no official war on Afghanistan and instead the issue of letters of marque and reprisal as enumerated in the constitution to prosecute military action soley against Al Qaeda. Still other libertarians(popular radio talkshow host Neil Boortz being one of them) WOULD have gone into Iraq.

As you can see it's really all over the board.


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