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 Kickle
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 Discovery? Engineering?   1
#28936079 - 09/04/24 07:48 PM (3 days, 15 hours ago) |
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You know, I've been thinking a lot about how technology is shaking things up in the world of science and engineering. It's pretty wild when you stop to consider it.
Traditionally, I've always thought of science as this grand adventure of discovery. Poking around in the unknown, testing hypotheses, and uncovering nature's secrets. Engineering is what comes later, once the discoveries have begun to coalesce into something more rigidly defined. Where a system is understood to a degree that practical manipulation becomes reasonable.
But here's the kicker: with modern technology in the mix, we're seeing this big shift where scientific fields are starting to look a lot more like engineering. Take biology, for instance. We're not just observing living things anymore; we're designing and building them. The biggest discoveries we are making, are in the outcomes of our engineered designs. And it's not just biology - this is happening all over the place.
Neuroscientists are talking about engineering brain enhancements. Materials scientists are using AI to dream up new materials with the exact properties they want. Drug discovery is becoming more about designing the perfect molecule than finding it by chance.
Is there a tipping point? What happens when we start engineering things we don't fully understand? And how does this change the way we think about scientific discovery?
This shift seems to be blurring the lines between different fields of study. Is there a field of study that doesn't rely on AI at this point? It's raising all sorts of ethical and regulatory questions. And it's making us rethink how we educate the next generation of scientists and engineers. There are so many questions to ponder. Like, are there still areas where good old-fashioned scientific discovery is king? Or is everything going to become an engineering problem eventually?
It's a brave new world out there, and I can't help but wonder how we'll navigate it. What do you think? Does this resonate with your experience or understanding of how science and technology are evolving?
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 Re: Discovery? Engineering? [Re: Kickle]
#28936158 - 09/04/24 09:16 PM (3 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Engineering historically has been based on an exact science or measurement of things.
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supposedly, but we keep finding out that what seemed ok was actually not ok all along, ergo - global warming.
basically it takes time to observe the outfall of engineering implementations, and it takes wisdom to respond responsibly.
In some ways we are still just recovering from the upset that photography began 160 years ago, and now we are obsessively consuming each others' visual social media produced on phone cams that are basically a mosaic of printed circuitry and silicon that themselves are produced photographically. (i.e. chip manufacturing is an extension of photography with electronic engineering)
that's the picture the way I see it, everything out of control, and it's not easy to cool our jets that are wrecking the climate.
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wow meditation then and drawing
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 Re: Discovery? Engineering? [Re: Ferdinando]
#28936265 - 09/05/24 01:38 AM (3 days, 9 hours ago) |
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for like our influence i mean
What we do to it
And prayers
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with our love with our love we could save the world
Edited by Ferdinando (09/05/24 01:39 AM)
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Re: Discovery? Engineering? [Re: Kickle]
#28936270 - 09/05/24 01:45 AM (3 days, 9 hours ago) |
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This is a cool thought!
I think the tipping point happened long ago. We don’t properly understand how a lot of drugs work already.
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Re: Discovery? Engineering? [Re: Bardy]
#28936476 - 09/05/24 08:52 AM (3 days, 2 hours ago) |
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Case in point. Opium & the treachery of the opioid epidemic.
Who could have imagined that as a real possibility emerging from the medical application of the resinous wax produced by the bulbs of certain flowering plants?
Actually, probably quite a number did and do.
I think that some of those who could imagine such things would have encountered many small tipping points along the way. Any number of which could have acted as a turning point towards better understanding just how not to apply such a thing.
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Opium did kill the disposed Empress of China. Opiates are still common in China despite opioids being banned for years in it except for medication containing them.
The British and Americans used it as a weapon to colonize China
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Re: Discovery? Engineering? [Re: Kickle] 1
#28938226 - 09/07/24 01:38 AM (1 day, 9 hours ago) |
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Totally agree! Technology is making science and engineering blend together more than ever. We’re not just discovering things anymore; we’re creating and designing them. It’s really changing how we think about both fields. Curious to see where this goes and how it’ll affect future discoveries and ethics.
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Quote:
redgreenvines said:
supposedly, but we keep finding out that what seemed ok was actually not ok all along, ergo - global warming.
basically it takes time to observe the outfall of engineering implementations, and it takes wisdom to respond responsibly.
In some ways we are still just recovering from the upset that photography began 160 years ago, and now we are obsessively consuming each others' visual social media produced on phone cams that are basically a mosaic of printed circuitry and silicon that themselves are produced photographically. (i.e. chip manufacturing is an extension of photography with electronic engineering)
that's the picture the way I see it, everything out of control, and it's not easy to cool our jets that are wrecking the climate.
That's the thing tho, they knew about all the data surrounding global warming
Follow the money......... it's just big oil/gas money just trying to stay relevant in a world that is desperate for green energy renewable source
Love the thread btw.
I love the idea of AI making the perfect molecule. You know, I was just scrolling reddit and found this:
https://fourthievesvinegar.org/microlab-suite/
Seems like EXACTLY what you're talking about!
AI Chemistry DIY synth routes.
Not perfect, I'm sure, but for the ones you can double check and reference with literature as being viable.
Can you imagine, a molecule, that could make you more euphoric than MDA/MDMA, trip harder than n-n DMT and 5-meo-dmt and keep you wide awake, coherent, calm, with a strong opiate endorphin rush and a dopamine rush as if you just shot a ringer of meth
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I dunno about people making their own synthetic psychedelics or stimulants or drugs in general, I think it's great innovation, but just like nukes were, there might be potential downsides, but alas, that is the way of discovery perhaps.
Someone's got to lick the radioactive brushes, or sip from the lead cups, or wear mercury based makeup, or use arsenic based wall paint etc. 
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Re: Discovery? Engineering? [Re: sudly]
#28939293 - 09/08/24 09:50 AM (1 hour, 19 minutes ago) |
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There are efforts to reduce the victims of trial and error, including simulation and synthetic replication. And sample trials are themselves an effort to reduce large scale error.
But if you don't know what to test for (an ongoing issue) then how can you prevent it's occurrence with a controlled trial?
Anyone see the recent information about AlphaProteo?
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