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CBD May Actually Increase THC’s Intoxicating Effect, Contrary To Conventional Wisdom * 2
    #28935804 - 09/04/24 02:42 PM (3 days, 18 hours ago)

🤔 hmm, go figure ...

CBD May Actually Increase THC’s Intoxicating Effect, New Marijuana Study Finds, Contrary To Conventional Wisdom
September 4, 2024 - Marijuana Moment

A recent study examining the combined effects of THC and CBD suggests that, contrary to widespread belief, CBD may actually heighten the experience of a marijuana high rather than diminishing it.

The research, published in the journal Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics, found that people who took a high dose of CBD (450 mg) alongside a smaller, 9-mg dose of THC “did not reduce, but instead significantly increased subjective, psychomotor, cognitive, and autonomous effects of THC.”

Smaller doses of CBD, such as 10 mg and 30 mg, did not appear to have the same effect.

The findings are noteworthy in part because conventional wisdom among many in the cannabis community is that CBD can help lessen a too-intense marijuana high by blocking THC’s interaction with the brain’s CB1 receptors. The study suggests that at some level, CBD in fact begins to make the felt effects of cannabis more intense.

    “In contrast to what is commonly hypothesized in (popular) literature, CBD did not reduce the adverse effects of THC.”

A seven-person research team in the Netherlands and the U.S. authored the new report, which looked at the results of a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial involving 37 healthy volunteers.

The team was attempting to test the hypothesis that CBD would reduce the adverse effects of THC. If confirmed, they believed the effect could help make therapeutic THC more tolerable for chronic pain patients by reducing the substance’s psychoactive effects.

Evidence, however, showed the opposite effect. Moreover, the addition of CBD did not appear to produce any additional pain-relieving effects.

    “This study found no evidence of CBD reducing adverse THC effects. On the contrary, THC effects were significantly increased by 450 mg of CBD.”

“These results provide evidence against the hypothesis that CBD attenuates THC effects, highlight the potential for drug interactions even at low doses of CBD, and add to the understanding of THC analgesia,” authors wrote in the report.

One author, Geert van Groeneveld, a professor at Leiden University Medical Center and the CEO of the Centre for Human Drug Research, was emphatic that the team’s findings refute the idea that CBD might lessen anxiety or otherwise ease the adverse effects of THC.

“CBD does not in any way alleviate psychomimetic effects of THC or reduce anxiety,” Groeneveld told PsyPost. “If anything, in higher dose levels it will enhance the effects of THC because the breakdown of THC in the liver is inhibited by CBD.”

The study’s conclusion adds to past findings that combinations of cannabinoids and other chemicals in cannabis may produce a stronger high than THC on its own.

Separate research published last year, for example, found that cannabis products with a more diverse array of natural cannabinoids produced a stronger psychoactive experience that lasts longer than the high generated by pure THC alone.

Another scientific review, published this past spring, found that the “complex interaction between phytocannabinoids and biological systems offers hope for novel treatment approaches,” laying the groundwork for a new era of innovation in cannabis-based medicines.

That report, published in the International Journal of Molecular Sciences, underscored the potential of whole-plant cannabis medicine—incorporating the variety of cannabinoids, terpenes and other compounds produced by the cannabis plant—rather than simply THC or CBD on their own.

While results of the new study suggest CBD may not do much to reduce the side-effects of THC consumption, another study published earlier this year found that a terpene produced by marijuana, D-limonene, reduced anxiety and paranoia in people who took THC.

Although the terpene modulated the anxiety-like effects, however, it seemed to have minimal effect otherwise on participants’ experiences.

The addition of D-limonene, which is found in many citrus fruits in addition to cannabis and smells like oranges, “had little impact on other common acute subjective, cognitive, or physiological effects of THC,” researchers found. Inhaling the vaporized terpene by itself, meanwhile, “did not produce any acute effects that differ from placebo.”

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Re: CBD May Actually Increase THC’s Intoxicating Effect, Contrary To Conventional Wisdom [Re: veggie] * 1
    #28935891 - 09/04/24 04:28 PM (3 days, 16 hours ago)

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veggie said:
....“These results provide evidence against the hypothesis that CBD attenuates THC effects, highlight the potential for drug interactions even at low doses of CBD, and add to the understanding of THC analgesia,” authors wrote in the report.

One author, Geert van Groeneveld, a professor at Leiden University Medical Center and the CEO of the Centre for Human Drug Research, was emphatic that the team’s findings refute the idea that CBD might lessen anxiety or otherwise ease the adverse effects of THC.

“CBD does not in any way alleviate psychomimetic effects of THC or reduce anxiety,” Groeneveld told PsyPost. “If anything, in higher dose levels it will enhance the effects of THC because the breakdown of THC in the liver is inhibited by CBD.”

The study’s conclusion adds to past findings that combinations of cannabinoids and other chemicals in cannabis may produce a stronger high than THC on its own.

Separate research published last year, for example, found that cannabis products with a more diverse array of natural cannabinoids produced a stronger psychoactive experience that lasts longer than the high generated by pure THC alone.

Another scientific review, published this past spring, found that the “complex interaction between phytocannabinoids and biological systems offers hope for novel treatment approaches,” laying the groundwork for a new era of innovation in cannabis-based medicines.

While results of the new study suggest CBD may not do much to reduce the side-effects of THC consumption, another study published earlier this year found that a terpene produced by marijuana, D-limonene, reduced anxiety and paranoia in people who took THC.

Although the terpene modulated the anxiety-like effects, however, it seemed to have minimal effect otherwise on participants’ experiences.

The addition of D-limonene, which is found in many citrus fruits in addition to cannabis and smells like oranges, “had little impact on other common acute subjective, cognitive, or physiological effects of THC,” researchers found. Inhaling the vaporized terpene by itself, meanwhile, “did not produce any acute effects that differ from placebo.”






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Interesting stuff, totally contrary to the common view point of what CBD does. Surprised that such a relatively low dose of THC @ 9mg was potentiated by the CBD (tho a pretty large dose of it).

I was thinking as I started to read the article, how I knew CBD inhibits the metabolism of THC so that could be playing a role and I see they ended up mentioning that too.

IME I find CBD seems to "modulate" the high/effects into a longer lasting and much more focused/clear head-space, a bit less sedating or muddled and more sharp & "engaged" feeling. With CBD in the mix I often find myself up later at night and much more focused/stuck on something versus with out it my mind eventually becomes much more muddled and sleepy/less focused.

I've been curious about taking a large dose of CBD and now after reading this I'm even more interested. I can't recall but the largest amount of CBD I've taken is prob around 100mg (both via vaporized/dabbing and tincture).



I used to hype terpenes and I still do feel they're playing a role and have some synergy to some extent, but I feel there's a lot of complex stuff going on among the cannabinoids and different ratios of such and perhaps some of the other aromatic components (there's way more than just terps that contribute to the overall aroma/essence).






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Re: CBD May Actually Increase THC’s Intoxicating Effect, Contrary To Conventional Wisdom [Re: openmind] * 1
    #28936147 - 09/04/24 09:09 PM (3 days, 12 hours ago)

This is consistent with an earlier study, which found that 20mg of THC was much stronger when a megadose of CBD was added. Interestingly, they found that the blood concentration of the active metabolite, 11-OH-THC, was much higher in the CBD group, supporting a metabolism-based mechanism of action (that taking a lot of CBD inhibits THC metabolism, either by using up the enzymes or by acting as an enzyme inhibitor).

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The results of the study, published Feb. 13 in JAMA Network Open, found that the maximum amount of THC measured in participants’ blood samples was almost twice as high after consuming a brownie containing THC with CBD than after eating a brownie with only THC, even though the dose of THC in each brownie (20 mg) was the same. In addition, the maximum amount of 11-OH-THC (a metabolic byproduct of THC that produces drug effects similar to THC) was 10-fold greater after eating the brownie with the high CBD extract compared with the one containing high THC extract




Ten fold higher! That's quite high.

It seems CBD only reduces the effects of THC when THC is resultantly not very present. If THC is present too, the CBD enhances it it seems. This effect may be much stronger for edibles.

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Re: CBD May Actually Increase THC’s Intoxicating Effect, Contrary To Conventional Wisdom [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28936223 - 09/04/24 11:39 PM (3 days, 9 hours ago)

Who's conventional wisdom? Mary Jane brownie cook? Of course it does, but its also why we give extra cbd on top of the pot, so we get more bang for our bother.

I take both everyday and cbd does make the pot work better and you seem a degree higher, only barely enough to notice.

Whatever you are smoking now, take cbd 1/2 hour before and pay attention to your first two hits and see if you don't notice?


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Re: CBD May Actually Increase THC’s Intoxicating Effect, Contrary To Conventional Wisdom [Re: curenado]
    #28936420 - 09/05/24 07:23 AM (3 days, 2 hours ago)

Paradoxical effects at excessively high doses, just like with benzos

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