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90 degree angles
    #2892107 - 07/15/04 03:20 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Sooooo speaking of aestheticism... Why do so many things our society produces have to be square and boxy with sharp ninety-degree angles? Like dude, seriously. Why aren't rural houses pentagon or hexagon shaped, or even round or oval? Why are almost all window boring rectangles? Why is my freaking computer monitor a rectangle! :mad2: :sad: I need an answer damnit.

Strangely, my drinking cup here is pretty round. Thanks, cup.


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: ]
    #2892267 - 07/15/04 04:54 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

it probably has to do with construction/manufacturing methods. I'm guessing you've done neither?


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: ]
    #2892298 - 07/15/04 05:30 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It is because it was easiest to build things this way back before we came up with all of these fancy modern tools.

Nowadays we can make almost anything in any shape, but people like to stick with what they know so when I build my house that's shaped likke an egg, people will find it very unusual.


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: ]
    #2892335 - 07/15/04 06:27 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It's cheaper. A few years ago my parents were getting a house built and they'd designed it themselves with a bunch of crazy angles and stuff. But then it turned out that theres extra costs involved in getting non-90 degree angles put in houses so they had to sacrifice some cool design for the sake of cost. Its considerably harder to build non-90 degree angles and its even harder to build curves into a house. Curved glass is also expensive, and if it breaks then you have to get a new piece made to fit.

Also, imagine a round computer screen...it wouldn't be as efficent. A square or rectangle is the most effective way of viewing text and stuff like that as far as fitting the most onto a given screen.


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: ]
    #2892457 - 07/15/04 08:11 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

> It's cheaper.

*ding*

Curves use more material... gotta start with a rectangle and dump everything that isn't a curve.

Curves use more storage space... can't pack as many odd shaped things together tightly.

Curves cost more to ship... same space, less will fit...

Curves are harder to build... anybody can nail to straight boards together... takes skill/talent to nail a curve together.

Curves are less efficient space wise when finished... you loose a lot of living space.


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: Seuss]
    #2892822 - 07/15/04 10:51 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

wouldnt a geodesic dome be as efficient space wise, as possible? ive actually seen these houses..


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: BleaK]
    #2892868 - 07/15/04 11:07 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

> wouldnt a geodesic dome be as efficient space wise, as possible?

Exact opposite... what convex 3d-geometric shape has the smallest volume per area... a sphere.


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: Seuss]
    #2892901 - 07/15/04 11:23 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

the city wehere i live in built a building named the Turning torso. This highrise is a marvel of modern architecture and enginering. Now it stands halfbuilt because it overshot budget by 200%


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #2893087 - 07/15/04 12:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think alot of the "90 degree angle sensation" in rural houses is based on efficientcy, and also acoustics.
Houses in neighborhoods, populated areas, business areas, etc. need a certain structure for the acoustics of the surroundings.

90 degree angles diminish focus points, for the most part. I believe circular structures promote things like :

you can stand in the square auditorium with a 60 degree sextile slant roof at point A,
which is over 100 yards from point B and be able to hear every signle whisper as crisply as a linguist with ultimate diction in a conference...

haha or i could just be full of shit ;-)


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: ]
    #2893236 - 07/15/04 01:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

well

going up, the next floor won't work unless it's level.

going out, it is easiest not to encroach on another's land if you stay in your easily measured yard, so the square or rectangle goes both ways easily.

rolling and round are different from stable and square. acoustics is different again, and creative is often more interesting than easy, square is easy. sometimes not that easy either (carpenter experience)


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: Seuss]
    #2893332 - 07/15/04 02:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So we can all agree then that it comes down to cost and efficiency.

I once read in a book that a society can be summed up by its archtecture. Look at the architecture of the Renaissance period and you'll see that art and creativity had a huge influence then. If you look at our modern archtecture you'll see that our society is very effiency- and business-oriented. Some things to think about.  :stoned:


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: ]
    #2893350 - 07/15/04 02:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Aggggggrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeddd.
Case closed?


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: AbstractHarmonix]
    #2893502 - 07/15/04 03:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

*slams gavel*


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: BleaK]
    #2896584 - 07/16/04 12:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Geodesic domes are sweet.. the sphere has the highest amount of volume per surface area, which means that you can fill the most space with the least amount of building material and when you heat it it has the least amount of surface area for the heat to escape the structure which makes it extremely energy efficient. One practical consideration is that it takes some extra effort to waterproof it due to the many seams and its lack of a straight-up roof.

Interesting fact: Pre-literate peoples live in circular houses, literate cultures live in square houses.


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: ]
    #2896732 - 07/16/04 01:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Right angles make construction easier and cheaper.


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2896734 - 07/16/04 01:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: ]
    #2896742 - 07/16/04 01:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I love oval shaped architecture


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: MAIA]
    #2897655 - 07/16/04 05:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

every tinme a rectangular section is made
both parties go
ok.
next.

this dome stuff is advanced.
lots of inner rectangles though.
ok.

4 is ok.


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Re: 90 degree angles [Re: Seuss]
    #2900362 - 07/17/04 06:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

sweet link


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