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    #2892091 - 07/15/04 03:13 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: ]
    #2892115 - 07/15/04 03:24 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)




I almost can't believe that. What the fuck? Speechless.


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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: ]
    #2892164 - 07/15/04 03:54 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This is certainly not true for all service men and women, but honestly man, you know our armed forces aren't comprised of the most sophisticated, well-educated, moral individuals. There are plenty of exceptions, so don't start barking at me. But lets call a spade a spade.


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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
    #2892168 - 07/15/04 03:57 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This story seems apocryphal to me.


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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: ]
    #2892238 - 07/15/04 04:37 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What a piece of shit.


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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: ]
    #2892278 - 07/15/04 05:00 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

OMG god redneck Peace of shit is representing us, we deserve terrorist attacks those nazi fucks, and if you think the majority of are troops arent like that your wrong. if they werent the few that did all this crazy shit wouldnt get away with it like they do. face it we are going down in history worse than nazis once this shit gets out. this makes me so angrey, but i beleive it. ive been doing allot of research lately for a project about 911/iraq war and ive uncovered allot of reports from soldiers that pretty much think that iraq is a video game. if you think this is bad youll be terrified to hear the compete for who can kill the most children with sniper rifles


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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: AhronZombi]
    #2892286 - 07/15/04 05:08 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Regarding the video game thing...

I did a report in school once about video game violence. While researching I came across some interesting info. I don't have the source but if I remember correctly it said that in world war 1? maybe 2, a lot of the soldiers wouldn't fire back. they were scared shitless too. They didn't want to kill people ya know?

Afterwards the military started using some kind of conditioning on them so that they would want to kill or something like that. It relates to what you were saying. Sorry I don't have a link or anything.


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    #2892293 - 07/15/04 05:23 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: ]
    #2892300 - 07/15/04 05:35 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

they hate our freedom? thats some stuck up BS you would hear from somewhere like orielly or fox news. and the people in america are just as much to blame as the government and do deserve it. we are to lazy to rise up and stop beliveing the media and funding the government with our taxes, we are the biggest hipocrits, its all our fault and we are to lazy to change it so we do deserve what we get in return. the people have way more power than they want to admit to them selves and are way to lazy to use it.


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    #2892314 - 07/15/04 05:48 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: ]
    #2892336 - 07/15/04 06:30 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Come on, people, get serious. These things happen in each and every war. I'm not saying everybody does it, probably there are troops that can maintain a minimal Geneva Convention factor throughout combat, but how many of them? No-one knows. That's why I oppose war not only on contingent arguments, like lack of WMD or other official reasons, but as a matter of principle, because clean war does not exist, it is bound to be bestiality.

Think of it. What would you expect in a culture in which you start to play shoot-em-up games as soon as you can hold a joystick, where there are more guns than people? Those who like these things most go to the army, where they're encouraged to pursue their interest and get stuffed with propaganda against the 'enemy'. Do you really think it's in the interest of the army to inhibit this kind of behavior? In the interest of the occupying power as a state, probably yes, but not in the interest of the army, and it's the army that goes out there and rules the territory.

No, really, I'm amazed at your amazement, but it's an interesting first step. Try to realize every war is like that, there are no good guys, the situation breeds these kinds of crimes.


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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: ]
    #2892342 - 07/15/04 06:39 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i soldier from norway that was in afghanistan and a good friend of mine told me same tale about american soldiers.

one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter
that goes both way it seems


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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: Aldous]
    #2892352 - 07/15/04 06:55 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Aldous said:
Come on, people, get serious. These things happen in each and every war. I'm not saying everybody does it, probably there are troops that can maintain a minimal Geneva Convention factor throughout combat, but how many of them? No-one knows. That's why I oppose war not only on contingent arguments, like lack of WMD or other official reasons, but as a matter of principle, because clean war does not exist, it is bound to be bestiality.

Think of it. What would you expect in a culture in which you start to play shoot-em-up games as soon as you can hold a joystick, where there are more guns than people? Those who like these things most go to the army, where they're encouraged to pursue their interest and get stuffed with propaganda against the 'enemy'. Do you really think it's in the interest of the army to inhibit this kind of behavior? In the interest of the occupying power as a state, probably yes, but not in the interest of the army, and it's the army that goes out there and rules the territory.

No, really, I'm amazed at your amazement, but it's an interesting first step. Try to realize every war is like that, there are no good guys, the situation breeds these kinds of crimes.




I agree with you, and the entire thing saddens me. Just a few weeks ago, my 18 year old brother was bragging about how if college doesn't work out for him, he'll go to Iraq and "kill him some dirty towel-heads."

I couldn't believe it when I heard him say that. It was almost a punch in the jaw, until I remembered that my entire family thinks like that and I'm the loony minority for feeling disgusted.


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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: ]
    #2892405 - 07/15/04 07:48 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The last soldier I spoke with from Iraq had been getting into trouble for giving candy to the children... (he is the one that was at the checkpoint when the little girl (3 to 5 year old) ran up with an armed hand gernade)...


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    #2892989 - 07/15/04 11:56 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

it only takes a couple bad seeds...


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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: ]
    #2893032 - 07/15/04 12:12 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

man.. The same kind of shit happened in vietnam. I remember by parents and uncles telling me they would kill civilains all the time there and it was mostly because you couldn't tell which guys were the enemies and whichs ones were the civilians because they all looked the same. My dad never went... he was a hippy but he knew people who went and came back and then would join the anti-war efforts because it was a fucking witch hunt.
I can imagine thats how it's like in Iraq. God, I'm fucking disturbed by that story. I fucking hate the war in Iraq I think it's a totally fucked up war..


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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: blu3]
    #2893036 - 07/15/04 12:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

My grandfather served in korea, and nam.

Ive heard similar stories.

His were more along the lines of "non military dressed people would pull out weapons and fire on you"

Well, personally, if 'their' army stopped wearing uniforms to be sneaky, then THEY make civilians into a possibly enemy.


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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: ]
    #2893056 - 07/15/04 12:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The millitary is a broad sword, not a scalpal. That is how they are trained and that is why the millitary should not be doing police work. Unfortunatly there is not a civilian police force capable of the job right now.

Anyway, you should report this to your congressman.


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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: shriek]
    #2893088 - 07/15/04 12:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter
that goes both way it seems




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Re: I talked to a soldier today [Re: Barbi]
    #2893109 - 07/15/04 12:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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mndfreeze said:His were more along the lines of "non military dressed people would pull out weapons and fire on you"
Well, personally, if 'their' army stopped wearing uniforms to be sneaky, then THEY make civilians into a possibly enemy.


How dare these motherfuckers not play by the good ole war rules...! OK, their country was attacked and invaded by the largest and best equipped army in the world, in violation of each and every international law, but there are limits to cowardice, aren't there? They could at least wear uniforms when they plan some resistance action.  :rolleyes:


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