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2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent
    #28900067 - 08/04/24 03:05 PM (5 months, 10 days ago)

This is my first post on this site. Looking forward to learning about your experiences.

I bought Golden Teachers spores online and did a PF tek for my first ever batch. It didn't have a huge yield, but I did manage to harvest some mushrooms which was a win in my book. I collected spores from these first, strong looking mushrooms.

That first batch gave me some powerfull mushrooms. However, I did a second batch using the spores I collected from a spore print, and they weren't potent at all, and I am wondering if this is normal or if I made a mistake along the way.

My spores first grew on corn, before being mixed with a coco coir + verm + gypsum substrate. I collected well over an ounce ov dried shrooms, and they were all dried with a food dehydrator. They were then stored in mason jars with silica gel packets (Like the ones you see when you buy new shoes) in a dark place.

When I consumed them, (Maybe 2 months after harvest (Btw do mushrooms go bad / lose potency over time?)) I took almost 3g, looking for a good experience, but they felt like a microdose at best.

Does collecting spores bring a sort of genetic variation that can make y mushrooms weaker? Should I keep a "mother" alive like you would with sourdough? I know that cloning will only work for a certain time before they become too old. Should I change my recipe? Can the nutrient contents of a substrate impact the potency of the mushrooms or are they mostly the same?

Hell, I have too many questions to write them all here. Has anyone had any similar experience? What do you think I can learn from this experience?

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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: MindfullWiz]
    #28900088 - 08/04/24 03:22 PM (5 months, 10 days ago)

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This is my first post on this site. Looking forward to learning about your experiences.

I bought Golden Teachers spores online and did a PF tek for my first ever batch. It didn't have a huge yield, but I did manage to harvest some mushrooms which was a win in my book. I collected spores from these first, strong looking mushrooms.

That first batch gave me some powerfull mushrooms. However, I did a second batch using the spores I collected from a spore print, and they weren't potent at all, and I am wondering if this is normal or if I made a mistake along the way.

My spores first grew on corn, before being mixed with a coco coir + verm + gypsum substrate. I collected well over an ounce ov dried shrooms, and they were all dried with a food dehydrator. They were then stored in mason jars with silica gel packets (Like the ones you see when you buy new shoes) in a dark place.

When I consumed them, (Maybe 2 months after harvest (Btw do mushrooms go bad / lose potency over time?)) I took almost 3g, looking for a good experience, but they felt like a microdose at best.

Does collecting spores bring a sort of genetic variation that can make y mushrooms weaker? Should I keep a "mother" alive like you would with sourdough? I know that cloning will only work for a certain time before they become too old. Should I change my recipe? Can the nutrient contents of a substrate impact the potency of the mushrooms or are they mostly the same?

Hell, I have too many questions to write them all here. Has anyone had any similar experience? What do you think I can learn from this experience?

Have an awesome day :smile:




Hi Wiz. I’d blame the 2 months of storage over the shrooms losing potency over a generation

I started with GT also and find them pretty tame (jk — they kick my ass). I’m moving on to Pearly Gates and Nats to see what more potent is like. Maybe walk that path, also?

And, nice job walking your mushrooms through a generation. You’ve gone full circle. Gold star time


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: MindfullWiz]
    #28900096 - 08/04/24 03:29 PM (5 months, 10 days ago)

generic 40 year inbred commercial cubes tend to be garbage. the average sample in the Oakland 2022 cup was 0.8% alkaloids w/w and I imagine that was skewed by the nature of the 'competition' tending towards more potent samples. cubensis is great for producing huge bags of chitin and spore prints but as a biosynthetic technique for producing tryptamines it leaves a lot to be desired unless you want to mess around testing hundreds of clones for a freak that pumps out psilocybin.


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: phenyl]
    #28900190 - 08/04/24 04:53 PM (5 months, 10 days ago)

2 mouths stored correctly isn't your issue about potent goes. Tripping has more to do with the person's brain. If it's on some medicine it won't work at all some times.  B+ is stable genetics so your print is fine to grow off because a cube is a cube.


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: AzureCultivator]
    #28900790 - 08/05/24 08:41 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

I'm also trying new mushrooms, I just ordered Penis Envy spores and will try them soon, I just wonder if the same thing will happen if i collect the spores and start a second batch.

Thanks for the kind words :smile:


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: phenyl]
    #28900794 - 08/05/24 08:44 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

This is what I thought too, but would that explain why I had a very potent first batch, and a quasi non-potent-at-all 2nd?


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: vicepope]
    #28900801 - 08/05/24 08:48 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

I'm not taking any meds. WHen I took from the first batch, I took 2.5g and they kicked my ass. My second batch, I took a bit more, and felt nothing (6+ months between trips), so it just leaves me confused. I read online that if they're stored propely (Dry place, in air tight containers, in a dark place) the potency shouldn't drop, but other people say the opposite, so it's hard to know which is which. I'm starting to think that maybe the long term storage is the biggest ennemy?


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: MindfullWiz]
    #28901020 - 08/05/24 12:17 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

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I'm starting to think that maybe the long term storage is the biggest enemy?




Fresh is king. If you’re six months between trips maybe fold into your plan making a fresh grow each time? Guaranteed most potent and with the intimate grower connection — win/win

Good luck on your Penis Envy grow. Haven’t tried it but I understand that it will majestically knock your socks off


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: MindfullWiz]
    #28901029 - 08/05/24 12:24 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

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I'm not taking any meds. WHen I took from the first batch, I took 2.5g and they kicked my ass. My second batch, I took a bit more, and felt nothing (6+ months between trips), so it just leaves me confused. I read online that if they're stored propely (Dry place, in air tight containers, in a dark place) the potency shouldn't drop, but other people say the opposite, so it's hard to know which is which. I'm starting to think that maybe the long term storage is the biggest ennemy?



People eat years old mushrooms from storage and report no potency loss.

There’s a dozen reasons why someone wouldn’t trip on mushrooms when they eat them, especially at a low dose, besides potency loss.

If you had them properly dried in a jar with the lid closed in the dark then it wasn’t potency loss.

Sleep hygiene, diet, hydration, alcohol consumption, meds, etc can all impact whether or not you experience intended effects. Potency is the last thing I consider.

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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #28901047 - 08/05/24 12:35 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

Ah, one other thing we haven’t mentioned…

You are the grower. If it’s not potent enough, eat more. You have an infinite supply


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: MindfullWiz] * 2
    #28901053 - 08/05/24 12:37 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

It is hard to make an objective statement about potency


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    #28901211 - 08/05/24 03:03 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

Impossible, even

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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28901357 - 08/05/24 05:41 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

Agree to disagree.

lol. Just kidding. I am a nerd.

These guys are right, there are a lot of factors that determine the strength of a trip. My first instinct is always to ask how exactly they were dehydrated and stored. 24 hours in a dehydrator at max temp? Stored in sealed glass container with desiccants, or o2 absorbers or vacuum sealed? That is the best way to make sure you don't lose potency for years.Plastic baggies and insufficient dehydration have led to so much disappointment.

GT has been domesticated for a long time. They are pretty reliable for potency, if not the extremely potent. It is technically possible to get a weak flush or shroom through the genetic lottery, but highly unlikely. All of the other thing mentioned in the other responses are more likely than a significant loss in potency from one generation to the next.


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #28901433 - 08/05/24 07:07 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

After reading all of that (and some more), I think I could narrow it down to genetic bad luck? Either way, it was only my second batch ever. I was worried that I was doomed to harvest weak mushrooms, given that I use my own spores. But hell, this is a long life and I'll have plenty of other opportunities to learn from my own cultures and the ones that guys like you post online.

Thanks for the replies, it truly is a joy to have found this website! :smile:


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    #28901438 - 08/05/24 07:12 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

It’s extremely unlikely that it was bad genetics. No offense but you came to the exact opposite conclusion than the information here lol.

Most people who think they have bad genes have 1 or more problems with the stuff mentioned above.

You might take mushrooms from that same batch in 6 weeks and accidentally have a heroic experience. Very unlikely they’re bunk.

I’ve been growing for 2 years and have never produced impotent mushrooms. It’s very very rare.

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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28901489 - 08/05/24 08:10 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

This thread is getting creepy. Wiz


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: AzureCultivator]
    #28901527 - 08/05/24 09:05 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

Ah, it’s Bisbee


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: MindfullWiz]
    #28901565 - 08/05/24 10:05 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

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I'm also trying new mushrooms, I just ordered Penis Envy spores and will try them soon, I just wonder if the same thing will happen if i collect the spores and start a second batch.

Thanks for the kind words :smile:




It's more likely the temperatures. Is it over 90° there?
No, when you get Spore prints you should get all the genetics in the line.

But if you can get some Petri dishes and clone your best mushroom, then you're going to get more that look exactly like it. That's how people up culture.

If you get much over 90° during the run and the fruiting, you start running a risk of hurting the potency. The mushrooms are look normal and fine but they won't be worth anything and I kind of agree with the other guys too that you lost some potency on the two months of storage.


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: AzureCultivator]
    #28901567 - 08/05/24 10:08 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

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Ah, it’s Bisbee



You know I didn't see that first


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: MindfullWiz]
    #28901572 - 08/05/24 10:16 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

overall the chance that it is related to genes is negligible.


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: fiddle_head]
    #28901582 - 08/05/24 10:33 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

What’s a Bisbean

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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: MindfullWiz]
    #28901584 - 08/05/24 10:34 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

One strong word of advice... don't go eating 5 or 6 grams since 3 grams seemed like amicro dose. Could end up in a bad place.... Try eating 3 grams again but from a mixture of different mushrooms from the same batch?

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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28901845 - 08/06/24 08:12 AM (5 months, 8 days ago)

None taken, English isn't my mother tongue and there's just so many information going around everywhere hahaha thanks for clearing it up


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: MindfullWiz]
    #28901850 - 08/06/24 08:29 AM (5 months, 8 days ago)

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…. my own cultures and the ones that guys like you post online.





Bisbee was banned 2 months ago. Wiz here has picked up the thread and is continuing it. I’m saying Wiz is Bisbee

We’re being fed bs here


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: AzureCultivator]
    #28901911 - 08/06/24 09:43 AM (5 months, 8 days ago)

wait what. I didn't intend to feed you bs, I'm just trying to learn. I can also assure you that this is my first and only acount on this site, I don't know who that bisbee or wtv is, everything I write is genuine, even if it may sound weird, I'm just confused about my second batch. And I'm pretty sure I didn't pick up any thread, I started my own. Can you reffer me to which thread I may have picked up?


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: MindfullWiz]
    #28901924 - 08/06/24 09:57 AM (5 months, 8 days ago)

It’s been deleted. And, that’s all just denial

If you want to talk about growing, great. Show some proof and stick to growing. Let’s see your grow pics and share a step-by-step of how you got there

My red flags are flying


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: AzureCultivator]
    #28901933 - 08/06/24 10:08 AM (5 months, 8 days ago)

Yeah I get it. I'm planning to start a journal with entries for my Penis Envy once I get my spores. That way it's easier to track and people can read it and give me feedback.

I get that it's just denial and I also don't expect you to believe a stranger on the internet with a brand new account. I'll send you updates of my penis envy if you're interested :grin:


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Re: 2nd generation of Golden Teachers aren't potent [Re: MindfullWiz]
    #28901955 - 08/06/24 10:25 AM (5 months, 8 days ago)

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Yeah I get it. I'm planning to start a journal…




Great. Here’s an example journal: My Azure patch

Happy to check out your journal when it lands


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