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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: JPZ]
#2891227 - 07/14/04 07:46 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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it costs around $30k a year to imprison an inmate, almost $20 billion dollars a year.
Why should somebody sit in there for life when they have killed, and have no use in society. You only run the risk of them getting out and killing again, or having them sit in their cell until they are 80 years old.
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: shriek]
#2891309 - 07/14/04 08:28 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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i was chocked when i saw you could go into a bank in that moore movie, open an account and get to choose a gun.
Not exactly.
You don't just walk in, drop your cash, and walk out. You must do the same paperwork as if you purchased your gun from a store.
Moore's a deceptive sack.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2891311 - 07/14/04 08:29 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Quote:
i was chocked when i saw you could go into a bank in that moore movie, open an account and get to choose a gun.
Not exactly.
You don't just walk in, drop your cash, and walk out. You must do the same paperwork as if you purchased your gun from a store.
Moore's a deceptive sack.
Except that if you watch the movie, you actually DO see him filling out the paperwork.
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: silversoul7]
#2891322 - 07/14/04 08:36 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Have you ever bought a gun?
It's not like he portrays it.
Try it. The education just might help you.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: JPZ]
#2891326 - 07/14/04 08:40 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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execution should remain an option.
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2891388 - 07/14/04 09:18 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Have you ever bought a gun?
It's not like he portrays it.
Try it. The education just might help you.
Are you going to refute what I said, or just make assumptions about what I think?
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. *DELETED* [Re: Redo]
#2891494 - 07/14/04 10:07 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: pB0t]
#2891557 - 07/14/04 10:25 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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pB0t said:
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Redo said: it costs around $30k a year to imprison an inmate, almost $20 billion dollars a year.
Why should somebody sit in there for life when they have killed, and have no use in society. You only run the risk of them getting out and killing again, or having them sit in their cell until they are 80 years old.
Actually, I'm pretty sure executions are more expensive due to all the appeals and whatnot they entail.
I think giving the state the power to kill people is dangerous, even though capital punishment may be warranted in some cases.
Capital punishment is nothing more than a desire for revenge, one of the basest human desires. It does nothing to lower the murder rate. If some asshole murdered someone I loved, I would love to see him/her get the chair etc, but if you look at it rationally there's no point. Let them rot in jail, and if its discovered they are innocent at least they can get out. It's not perfect, but the judiciary (in any country) is less perfect.
Here's an interesting essay on how hopelessy unfair the jury system is.
http://www.world-of-dawkins.com/Dawkins/Work/Articles/1997-11-16trialbyjury.shtml
luvdemshrooms said he would prefer to see DNA evidence mandatory. it's a start, but the final verdict relies on 12 dumbasses (generalisation alert )
anyway, no one seems to think that the US is in bad company (the list, the list!)
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: JPZ]
#2891577 - 07/14/04 10:30 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Strict adherance to the second amendment would lower the violent crime rate in this country unbelievably. That is all.
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: JPZ]
#2891633 - 07/14/04 10:42 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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JPZ said: anyway, no one seems to think that the US is in bad company (the list, the list!)
I think
Afghanistan Antigua and Barbuda Bahamas Bahrain Bangladesh Barbados Belarus Belize Botswana Burundi Cameroon Chad China (People's Republic) Comoros Congo (Democratic Republic) Cuba Dominica Egypt Equatorial Guinea Eritrea Ethiopia Gabon Ghana Guatemala Guinea Guyana India Indonesia Iran Iraq Jamaica Japan Jordan Kazakhstan Korea, North Korea, South Kuwait Kyrgyzstan Laos Lebanon Lesotho Liberia Libya Malawi Malaysia Mongolia Morocco Myanmar Nigeria Oman Pakistan Palestinian Authority Philippines Qatar Rwanda St. Kitts and Nevis St. Lucia St. Vincent and the Grenadines Saudi Arabia Sierra Leone Singapore Somalia Sudan Swaziland Syria Taiwan Tajikistan Tanzania Thailand Trinidad and Tobago Uganda United Arab Emirates Uzbekistan Vietnam Yemen Zambia Zimbabwe
are in a bad company
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: ivi]
#2891681 - 07/14/04 10:50 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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To me it's just strange that the US government touts its freedoms so much, and yet they share many of the same characteristics (to a much lesser extent) of the countries they invade.
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: JPZ]
#2891823 - 07/14/04 11:33 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your exactly right it is more expensive. But I am still for the death penalty. I would prefer they put in express lanes (this of course with only proof verified by DNA). Everyone on death row gets a mandatory 4 appeals. Whether they want them or not. They can make further appeals also at your and my expense. Why? If they were convicted by a jury of their peers then why do they get all these appeals? Did the person(s) they killed get four appeals? The answer is NO. I actually agree with Silvers statement that someone on death row should get the right to eat a bullet or some poison.
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: Meat_Log_Smurf]
#2891890 - 07/14/04 11:54 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sometimes even DNA isn't enough, eg. corruption, tampering with evidence or just plain police bungling. You're putting your trust completely into the hands of the justice system to decide if someone dies or not. Even if you have all the safeguards possible in place, we humans still make fuck-ups. The chance of one innocent person dying is enough to make me reject the death penalty.
And the fac that it doesn't work as a deterrent.
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: silversoul7]
#2892307 - 07/15/04 03:42 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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What's to refute? Even the article says he filled out the paperwork. The scene in the movie does not accurately portray reality.
And I'll ask again.
Have you ever bought a gun?
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: Ancalagon]
#2892477 - 07/15/04 06:24 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ancalagon said: Strict adherance to the second amendment would lower the violent crime rate in this country unbelievably. That is all.
As somebody once said somewhere,
Everybody shoud carry a gun, the first year or so would be very rough, but after that we would be living in paradise.
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: Redo]
#2899127 - 07/17/04 03:03 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, and the lions and lambs will gambol and frolic together in the fields.
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: Ancalagon]
#2899449 - 07/17/04 09:16 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ancalagon said: Strict adherance to the second amendment would lower the violent crime rate in this country unbelievably. That is all.
Only if more people actually chose to exercise that right.
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: silversoul7]
#2899456 - 07/17/04 09:21 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Have you ever bought a gun?
Have you ever held a real gun?
Have you ever shot one?
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2899457 - 07/17/04 09:22 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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No
Yes
No
What does that have to do with my statement?
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Re: Countries That Have The Death Penalty. [Re: silversoul7]
#2899466 - 07/17/04 09:33 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just wanted to see if you had exercised our second amendment right.
A "no", it is.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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