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 Ultrasonic Terrarium Design 
#2888008 - 07/13/04 11:33 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok above is the design i'm thinking of building. The red hoses marked AIR IN and AIR OUT will both be hooked up to an ultrasonic humidifier.
Before this question is asked i'll answer it, the sand is there to absord any water that drips down from the dripshield (through the screen), and also to conduct the heat from the water. The water chamber will have an opening (not sure where) in order to work on the heater, etc.
The inner chamber will ideally be constructed of plexiglass, though the outer layer will be solid. Thus the inner chamber will be in complete darkness unless the outerchambers lid is off, and then light will be able to filter in through the plexiglass lid of the inner chamber.
Any ideas on what type of insulation to use around the inner chamber? Or any input as to the feasibility of this design working (its my first time), and any improvements that can be made would be appreciated.
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 Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: p0e]
#2888270 - 07/14/04 01:02 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Uh... U really dont have to go through all of that trouble. If you are wanting to use a ultrasonic humidifier for means of humidification the magic mushrooms growers guide(aka MMGG) has a decent ultrasonic tek. If you havent checked it out, Heres a link:
http://shroomery.org/index/par/3372/pag/4
Are you familiar with perlite humidification? Its much cheaper and easier to maintain. If you havent already, check out the shroomery's faq, there are several humidification teks there. You will take a lot of heat from people if you dont check out the faq before posting. Go here to check out some humidification teks: http://shroomery.org/index/par/7
As for your design, well I personally think its a bit too far(no offense). Heres my opinion: First off, I dont think sand in the chamber is really a good idea. The sand will hold water which will probably give you a co2 problem. Try putting in a drain hole to get rid of your access water. Heating the terriaum will more than likely lower humidity way to much. Your air in and air out holes are pretty close to each other, try makin them more so on opposite ends of the chamber, this should make the humidity spread through out the chamber more. As for your insulation question, a good sealed plexi glass box with a well fitted lid will be plenty enough insulation. If im not getting a full understanding of your design, i appoligize.
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#2888290 - 07/14/04 01:09 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers 
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: Citric]
#2888314 - 07/14/04 01:32 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I do live in a very cold area and the house doesnt have central heating, it uses a number of radiators distributed per room. I plan on having it in the basement or a closet and the temperature (especially in the winter) may drop below 70s.
As for the sand, its only there to absorb the dripping water, not to enhance humidity. I'd like to avoid using perlite as well.
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: p0e]
#2888331 - 07/14/04 01:40 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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so leaving the humidifier on constantly is causing most of my numerous aborts?
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#2888883 - 07/14/04 08:35 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 **
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers
Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger.
My final Grow!
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 Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: Citric]
#2888908 - 07/14/04 08:55 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I plan on using the soda bottle tek, running the humidifier 24/7, and maintaining 90% humidty constantly. Also between the heated water unit, and the ability to put ice packs above the drip shield I hope to be able to control the inside temperature as well.
Someone mentioned a co2 problem being caused because of the sand. Is that a valid concern being that the second hose marked "AIR OUT" will be constantly cycling in new air. The drip shield (the diagnol line) will be snug, if not as airtight as possible on the far wall, and open a few cm at its lowest point (to allow maximum air circulation and dripping).
I realize there are other ways to do this, and probably better ways, but this is the way I want to try. That aside does anyone see any problems with the concept?
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#2888915 - 07/14/04 09:01 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 **
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers
Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger.
My final Grow!
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: Citric]
#2888928 - 07/14/04 09:07 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I want to do it this way just because I came up with it, kills about 90% of the fun if I copy someone elses proven method. I'm not looking for advice on how to grow, I'm looking for advice on how to build.
Why exactly don't I need a drip shield?
I'm planning on hooking the air outtake up to the humidifier, making the entire terrarium a closed system. I'm not even completely sure I could accomplish this (though I dont see why not, the humidifier sucks in from one point and blows out from another), however providing it could be done wouldnt the humidity stabalize (after playing with it) wherever I want?
I already bought a Holmes Ultrasonic off EBay for 9$, is the Vicks Cool Mist that important over the Holmes model and if so why?
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Post deleted by Anno [Re: p0e]
#2888947 - 07/14/04 09:17 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 **
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers
Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger.
My final Grow!
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 Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: Citric]
#2889098 - 07/14/04 10:19 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Misting? If its hooked up to a humidifier why would I need to mist it?
Whats the difference between the Holmes & the Vicks, why wont one work?
I realize now that the above picture sucks, and may be misleading, below is a clearer one.
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: p0e]
#2889147 - 07/14/04 10:37 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a step-up using the soda bottle method. DOMEY: you saying that a drip shield is a waste of space. Will the mist going into the tank bother my mushie once they are in there? I thought that was the purpose of the drip shield.
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Post deleted by Anno [Re: VesicaP]
#2889270 - 07/14/04 11:26 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 **
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers
Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger.
My final Grow!
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: Citric]
#2889283 - 07/14/04 11:29 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Regardless of the soda bottle tek the humidity is going to be around 90% in the inner chamber, thats going to cause condensation no matter what and thats going to drip somewhere, rather have it drip on a shield that i dont need then have it drip on my garden.
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: p0e]
#2892176 - 07/15/04 02:02 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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indeed, drips have proven to be a right pain in the ass.
On a slightly different note, I had been leaving my ultrasonic on ( a Reli-on model) 24/7 until yesterday when i switched to 12hrs on and then 12 again off. I employ the soda bottle tek to get rid of the mist, but am still plagued with aborts, drip shield is in place, whats the deal? my poor mans pods work fine...i dont get it.
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: profajew]
#2898607 - 07/16/04 11:00 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I haven't tried yet so I'm not sure how accurate this is, but how often does the air cycle in your terrarium with the ultrasonic running, and at what % do you keep the humidity, further more is the humidity/temperature constant. From what I gather those are the most important factors in aborts, that or maybe co2 levels?
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: p0e]
#2898740 - 07/16/04 11:55 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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domey is rite 5 minutes a hour is more then enough for a ultrasonic.
domey knows what hes talking about listen to hem.or not its up to you
do it your way and get aborts. 
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: p0e]
#2898955 - 07/17/04 01:20 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Problems with this.
Now if the chambrer is hooked to the air in and the air out of the chamber it's just recirculating and not very much new air is being added.
With nothing else but the ultrasonic once a hour will be to much. The ultrasonic is only gonna have to come on a few times a day.
If your going to use just one humidifier go with perlite to add humudity and a cool mist a few times a day to handle the air exchange.
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Post deleted by Anno [Re: Magash]
#2898968 - 07/17/04 01:27 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 **
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers
Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger.
My final Grow!
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: Citric]
#2899108 - 07/17/04 02:46 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey I admire the trying to come up with a chamber idea on his own but this thing is gonna be like Survivor for shrooms. Very least I'd get rid of the hose back to the humidifier. (but then you have a chamber that has been done before.)
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: Citric]
#2900887 - 07/17/04 08:59 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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How can C02 levels me monitored?
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: p0e]
#2901061 - 07/17/04 09:57 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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A good Co2 level reader is gonna run you around 2500 so I think your gonna wing it like the rest of us
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: p0e]
#2901265 - 07/17/04 11:22 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you terrarium is in a cold environment, do you know that a simple rubbermaid filled with water and a heater will created as much humidity as you need?! Just set the heater correctly and you can have anywhere between 70% - 99%. The good thing is that it will also heat a little bit your terrarium so you could hit the right temp in a cold basement.
For air exchange, just get a cheap coolmist on a timer. Much cheaper than an ultrasonic.
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OK...so help my dumb ass out one more time o ye gods of shroom knowledge...EVEN with the use of the soda bottle tek, an ultrasonic humidifier still needs be run only a few minutes every hour?
any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: profajew]
#2905951 - 07/19/04 04:15 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Found a USB C02 sensor thats made by Pasport (google it?) and sells for about 220$, thinking of purchasing one...
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: p0e]
#2909665 - 07/20/04 06:35 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Poe, your silly..
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p0e
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: scatmanrav]
#2926924 - 07/25/04 07:08 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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precaution and thoroughness is never silly
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Re: Ultrasonic Terrarium Design [Re: Citric]
#2926969 - 07/25/04 07:29 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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this guy's like horny over his chamber lol, hey domey, seeing you know what your talking about, i gotta question for ya, here in quebec it gets pretty freakin cold, in celsius it can go down to below 25 or even 30 degrees celsius, so i thought i can use my incubator as a terrarium aswell, the tub in tub with water heater to maintain a stable heat, that ok you think ? anyway, i gotta problem, i wrote to spores 101, and to ralphsters, they both suggested i try with sporelab.com, seeing im in canada, but i wrote to sporelab twice and never got a response and now i'm getting pretty confused as to how the hell i'm gonna get my fuckin syringe lol, any advice on that would be great, the suppliers don't supply very well!
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