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OfflineJPZ
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Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc
    #2887025 - 07/13/04 07:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What are your opinions on the Bush Admin's approach to curbing AIDS and other STDs by promoting the "ABC" approach?

Abstinence
Be faithful
Condoms "where appropriate"

In my opinion this is religious bullshit masquerading as politics, and more evidence that Bush is a fundamentalist who should be preaching, not running a country.


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: JPZ]
    #2887060 - 07/13/04 07:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I would that the federal government reduced it's AIDS spending to Zero Dollars.


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: JPZ]
    #2887064 - 07/13/04 07:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Make it a law for everyone that is about to have sex/has had sex to have an STD test... and if they're positive... they should be banned from sex (removed genitalia) and or should be killed to stop the spread of this disease


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2887066 - 07/13/04 07:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

domestic and/or foreign?


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2887070 - 07/13/04 07:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Indeed. Inform everyone as best you can that there is a disease that is spread in such and such a manner and that there are ways to prevent it and then that is that. My obligation is over. You can destroy yourself in any way you see fit but I have no obligation to bail you out.


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2887082 - 07/13/04 07:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I would (prefer?) that the federal government reduced it's AIDS spending to Zero Dollars.

i second that.


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: afoaf]
    #2887083 - 07/13/04 07:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
domestic and/or foreign?



Both, absolutely.


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: JPZ]
    #2887086 - 07/13/04 07:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So instead of abstinence, being faithful and the use of condoms are you proposing that the government promote frequent sex, unfaithfulness, and unprotected sex?


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: ]
    #2887091 - 07/13/04 07:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think I've heard the expression 'I would that...' used before. Anyone know if it's a valid expression or I just made shit up?


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2887099 - 07/13/04 07:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It's valid, but old fashioned.


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2887103 - 07/13/04 07:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I've read it and used it . I think it's pretty much archaic but I like it anyway.


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: Evolving]
    #2887131 - 07/13/04 08:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Evolving said:
So instead of abstinence, being faithful and the use of condoms are you proposing that the government promote frequent sex, unfaithfulness, and unprotected sex?




No. I do think they should promote the use of condoms though BEFORE promoting abstinence. Abstinence (and being faithful) are promoted by the church, which is enough. Neither are a viable realistic solution to the prevention of AIDS.

BTW, I'm mainly talking about the Admin's external policy here. AIDS isn't (yet) as big a problem in the US as it is in Africa, for example.


Ancalagon said:

"I would that the federal government reduced it's AIDS spending to Zero Dollars."

I understand your position as a libertarian, but seeing as the US is spending huge amounts of money on promoting something which is basically a religious idea, would you prefer that they spent the money on subsidising/providing protection-education and cheaper drugs to poorer countries?


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: JPZ]
    #2887139 - 07/13/04 08:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

understand your position as a libertarian, but seeing as the US is spending huge amounts of money on promoting something which is basically a religious idea, would you prefer that they spent the money on subsidising/providing protection-education and cheaper drugs to poorer countries?




Would you prefer slaughtering a small child with a ball-and-chain or with a Broad Sword? I don't want the federal government spending money on any of those things.


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2887152 - 07/13/04 08:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

How do you equate trying to stop the spread of AIDS to slaughtering a small child? I don't get it.


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: JPZ]
    #2887155 - 07/13/04 08:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Do you think that a law prohibiting murder is basically a religious idea?

Here's the policy
If you don't want to get AIDS:
1. Don't fuck. That works.
2. If you must fuck, fuck only 1 person that you know(hope) is faithful and clean. That usually works.
3. If you want to fuck someone questionable put a bag on the dick.

I don't see where number 3 qualifies as a religious position. In fact it seems to be contrary to most religions that I know of.


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: JPZ]
    #2887159 - 07/13/04 08:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It's analogy representing the nature of your question. You are asking me of two things I am strongly opposed to the federal government doing, which am I less opposed to. I assume you don't like slaughtering children, is it a valid question to ask if you did slaughter a child which way you would prefer?


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2887180 - 07/13/04 08:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2887224 - 07/13/04 08:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Do you think that a law prohibiting murder is basically a religious idea?




No. But I think the death penalty is.

Quote:


Here's the policy
If you don't want to get AIDS:
1. Don't fuck. That works.
2. If you must fuck, fuck only 1 person that you know(hope) is faithful and clean. That usually works.





What about the people who don't follow these guidelines? They far outnumber the people who do. Isn't it better to promote condoms first?
eg.

Quote:



3. If you want to fuck someone questionable put a bag on the dick.






Quote:



I don't see where number 3 qualifies as a religious position. In fact it seems to be contrary to most religions that I know of.




True. So it should be promoted WAY ahead of abstinence, right?


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2887234 - 07/13/04 08:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I get it now.

Ok, so what is the libertarian policy toward stopping the spread of AIDS?


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Re: Bush Admins's Policy on AIDS etc [Re: JPZ]
    #2887288 - 07/13/04 09:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

JPZ said:
I get it now.

Ok, so what is the libertarian policy toward stopping the spread of AIDS?



To let the free market(specifically the charity and information sections of it) work.


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