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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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I found this surprising.
    #2884947 - 07/13/04 06:04 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

After listening to some of these people on TV and reading what they say in the papers, I'm amazed.

Also, please note that while the story comes from some peoples favorite "site to slam", they are merely reporting on an ABC story.





Hillary, Top Dems Still Would Have Voted for War
Dave Eberhart, NewsMax.com
Tuesday, July 13, 2004
Last week Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., said, "We in Congress would not have authorized that war ? we would not have authorized that war with 75 votes if we knew what we know now."

ABC?s Ted Koppel, host of "Nightline," decided to put the words of the senior Democratic member of the Senate Intelligence Committee to the test.
Koppel?s findings, which aired on ABC Radio late Friday night, directly counter Rockefeller?s suggestion that the Senate would not have strongly endorsed the war against Iraq.


Koppel reported: "We wanted to see whether the conclusions reached by the Intelligence Committee would have made any difference to the other senators who voted to authorize the war in Iraq, so we called them.

"Of the 42 we reached, only three said they would have changed their minds had they known then 'what they know now.'

"Among those who say they would not have changed their minds, a number of prominent Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Chuck Schumer and Tom Daschle."


Despite the media buzz last week that suggested the U.S. Congress may have been hoodwinked by the Bush administration and a politicized CIA into voting for the Iraq war, many leading Democrats apparently do not see it that way.


The 511-page report released last week by the Senate Intelligence Committee debunked much of what American intelligence had reported about Iraq.


As summarized by Republican senator and chair of the Select Committee on Intelligence, Pat Roberts:


"Here are some examples of statements from the key judgments. Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear program. Iraq has chemical and biological weapons. Iraq was developing an unmanned aerial vehicle, a UAV, probably intended to deliver biological warfare agents."


But the explosive committee report that lambasted U.S. intelligence about weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Iraq?s Saddam Hussein, has not changed the mind of President Bush, who steadfastly maintained, "I chose to defend the country, and it?s exactly what I would do again."

Bush has consistently argued that Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the United States.

But John Kerry?s position on Iraq has vacillated ? and may have put him at odds with Senate Democrats who told ABC News they still would have voted for the war.

Kerry, along with his running mate, John Edwards, voted for the war.

But during the Demcratic primaries, Kerry began distancing himself from his war vote and claimed the Bush administration had lied to Congress.

Appearing on "60 Minutes" last weekend, Kerry told Leslie Stahl: "I think the president made a mistake in the way he took us to war. I am against the war ? the way the president went to war was wrong."

At the same time, Kerry said he voted to give Bush the authorization to go to war "as a last resort." He added, "I believe, based on the information we have, it was the correct vote."

But Kerry did not say, as Koppel asked knowing "what we know now," if he would still have voted for the war.

Kerry again claimed to Stahl that "the way [President Bush] went to war was a mistake."

But if the war is such a mistake, the question remains whether Kerry would have changed his vote.

Already the Bush administration has seized on Kerry?s equivocating.

In a speech Monday, Vice President Dick Cheney chided Kerry for "simply trying to rewrite history for his own political purposes."

"When Congress voted to authorize force against Saddam Hussein, Senator Kerry and Senator Edwards both voted yes," Cheney said. "Now it seems they've both developed a convenient case of campaign amnesia."


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Re: I found this surprising. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2885387 - 07/13/04 11:45 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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In a speech Monday, Vice President Dick Cheney chided Kerry for "simply trying to rewrite history for his own political purposes."




Oh - like when you go on talking heads shows almost daily for 2 weeks after the 9/11 commission determines that there is "no credible evidence linking Saddam Hussein or Iraq to Al-Qaida" to say things like "The notion that there is no relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda just simply is not true," link

As for the rest of the story, (even though it's Newsmax) I don't know what to think. I seem to recall hearing more than 3 senators stand up and say that they would not have voted to give the President the power to go to war knowing then what they know now... but I've been wrong before. This whole thing is disgusting me more than I can say.

As for the Kerry stuff - well... I don't think Kerry is perfect by any means, but nobody but nobody in the Bush administration is qualified to call Kerry a flip-flopper. And if I had the choice between someone who changes their mind in the face of changing circumstances and someone who continues to lie in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, I'll take the former every time.


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Re: I found this surprising. [Re: GernBlanston]
    #2885563 - 07/13/04 12:42 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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And if I had the choice between someone who changes their mind in the face of changing circumstances and someone who continues to lie in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, I'll take the former every time.




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Re: I found this surprising. [Re: afoaf]
    #2885578 - 07/13/04 12:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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And if I had the choice between someone who changes their mind in the face of changing circumstances and someone who continues to lie in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, I'll take the former every time.










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Re: I found this surprising. [Re: GernBlanston]
    #2885580 - 07/13/04 12:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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And if I had the choice between someone who changes their mind in the face of changing circumstances and someone who continues to lie in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, I'll take the former every time.



How fortunate I am my choice is not limited to that. Lesser of two evils indeed.


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