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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
#2886623 - 07/13/04 03:18 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Add to this the fact that Bush Sr. was head of the CIA and the fact that the #1 gun control lobby is Handgun Control Inc. whos board of directors are/were CIA agents.(They have been disarming us)
Top it off with the Executive Orders that follow
10995--Federal seizure of all communications media in the US; 10997--Federal seizure of all electric power, fuels, minerals, public and private; 10998--Federal seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private and all farms and equipment; 10999--Federal seizure of all means of transportation, including cars, trucks, or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports and water ways; 11000--Federal seizure of American people for work forces under federal supervision, including the splitting up of families if the government so desires; 11001--Federal seizure of all health, education and welfare facilities, both public and private; 11002--Empowers the Postmaster General to register every single person in the US 11003--Federal seizure of all airports and aircraft; 11004--Federal seizure of all housing and finances and authority to establish forced relocation. Authority to designate areas to be abandoned as "unsafe," establish new locations for populations, relocate communities, build new housing with public funds; 11005--Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways and storage facilities, both public and private; 11051--Provides FEMA complete authorization to put above orders into effect in times of increased international tension of economic or financial crisis (FEMA will be in control incase of "National Emergency").
All of these were renewed on June 6, 1994 under EO# 12919
I would say the board is set and they are close to a check mate.
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2886676 - 07/13/04 03:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Common sense They will be able to do what they want if Kerry is in.
Proof that common sense is neither common nor sensible.I,personaly, do not feel much better with a borderline draft dodger than a seasoned combat veteran running a war( even if the chicken hawk IS backed by all the big warmongers of this country) WR
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: Cyber]
#2886701 - 07/13/04 03:47 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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GGod. Did you actually read those orders? For example 11000 does not say a word about authority to seize people to do labor for the federal gov.. The order is about preparing plans and preparedness plans for civilian manpower Some highlights: (a) Civilian manpower mobilization. (b) Wage and salary stabilization (c) Worker incentives and protection. (f) Claimancy. Prepare plans to claim materials, equipment, supplies and services needed in support of assigned responsibilities and other essential functions THIS IS THE ONLY MENTION OF TAKING ANYTHING. (g) Skill development and training. SEC. 5. Emergency Actions. Nothing in this order shall be construed as conferring authority under Title III of the Federal Civil Defense Act of 1950, as amended, or otherwise, to put into effect any emergency plan, procedure, policy, program or course of action prepared or developed pursuant to this order. Such authority is reserved to the President.
I guess if you havent been in the millitary you wouldn't know, but there are a lot of good people in there and they are not going to take American civilians hostage. And it doesn't matter what orders the pres gives if the millitary will not enforce them.
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2886724 - 07/13/04 03:55 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh and one more note on EO 11000 signed by: JOHN F. KENNEDY
THE WHITE HOUSE, February 16, 1962.
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whiterasta
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: Cyber]
#2886838 - 07/13/04 04:32 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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11004--Federal seizure of all housing and finances and authority to establish forced relocation. Authority to designate areas to be abandoned as "unsafe," establish new locations for populations, relocate communities, build new housing with public funds;
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11005--Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways and storage facilities, both public and private;
Have personaly witnessed these programs in effect.My community was the national poster community for Y-2K preparedness and had a federal spook attending all grange meetings.It was there I witnessed the signing over of possesion/control of any and all buildings which would hold 50-100 people in "case of emergency". I also live in an area which recieves more aerial spray of herbicides ,rodenticides,and pesticides than many more conformist regions,of which we do not number since High times claimed one could not toss a stick w/o hitting a pot farmer in our valley. It is only a matter of time before either salmon protection or an epidemiological outbreak of herbicide related conditions the area will be shut off from private homeownership. They already are doing things to make life more difficult such as shutting both ends of our lone roadway down for construction to impede local work traffic.The deployment of sherriff traffic patrols during work travel hrs rather than patrol the weekend drunks from Eugene who flood our lake and rockslides. From the highest policies to the quiet changes in the ability to live in our area the wheels of change are turning. I know "Rural Americans" are an endangered species I have watched our numbers decline since I was a child. WR
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: whiterasta]
#2886892 - 07/13/04 04:45 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rural Americans are an endangered species because the children see what they think is something better somewhere else and move away. I don't know how old you are but they have been declining in numbers (at least as a percent, now probably absolutely) for longer than I can remember. Technology may allow a lot of people to take to the hills again without sacrificing their connectedness, but I won't be one of them and I doubt it will be greater than the number who leave. Do you think people should be subsidized for staying in the sticks more than they already are?
Between you, Cyber and the Smurf this thread gets 5 tin foil hats from me
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
#2886917 - 07/13/04 04:51 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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it's the end of the world... as we know it... and i am completely apathetic
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2886982 - 07/13/04 05:12 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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mntlfngrs said: Oh and one more note on EO 11000 signed by: JOHN F. KENNEDY
THE WHITE HOUSE, February 16, 1962.
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Cyber said: All of these were renewed on June 6, 1994 under EO# 12919
I think I covered it.
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
#2886996 - 07/13/04 05:15 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes; I feel Bush WOULD risk his own country for votes.
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: zappaisgod]
#2887010 - 07/13/04 05:20 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am posting from a sattelite internet link in a full tech home with wired and wireless network, security interface, home theatre w/ computer interface and sattelite TV.So the "conectedness" issue is moot.
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Do you think people should be subsidized for staying in the sticks more than they already are?
Please inform me how we are subsidized since there is NO section 8 housing out here and only a small portion of this community gets government aid (mostly food stamps).Per capita we are a VERY inexpensive subsidy compared to urban dwellers. As for employment we are a 45 minute drive to two urban areas, a relatively minor commute. By and large the greatest number of folks leaving our valley are aging and cannot care for their property due to chronic conditions fostered by toxic exposure . Statisticly we retain 40% of the high school graduates in the valley, but lose their aging relatives. Quote:
I don't know how old you are but they have been declining in numbers (at least as a percent, now probably absolutely) for longer than I can remember.
I am in my middle ages and have seen the same decline I just question the forces behind it since we have concepts such as Urban Density being touted as a Good thing. I for one cannot live where I have to look at my neighbors, only be a good one if needed. PS perhaps if urban living is so much more attractive you could explain why my property has tripled in value in only eight years. Obviously some body wants out of the Urban jungle. If given the choice would most choose living along a quiet stream or an apartment?More attractive? I hardly think so, economic desparation and physical disability is more correct for my area. Now where is my damn foil hat? WR
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: zappaisgod]
#2887044 - 07/13/04 05:30 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Between you, Cyber and the Smurf this thread gets 5 tin foil hats from me
Ill take that tin foil hat!!!
Ill use it to cover my Pf jars so the spy satellites can not see what I have!
Now thats using your head!
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: whiterasta]
#2887061 - 07/13/04 05:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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My point about the technology was exactly what you are doing
The subsidization point was about the fact that far more taxes are taken from cities and suburbs than are spent there. Rural life is inefficient.
And, on a personal note, I have lived in very rural areas, huge cities and small cities, and suburbs and I will never live very far from NYC again. Just a personal choice.
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
#2887169 - 07/13/04 06:28 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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The problem is that nobody knows at this point who would benefit from a terrorist attack. I think it would be pretty stupid and unrealistic for Bush to let an attack happen in hopes it would help his campaign, when it could do the very opposite. Surely the terrorism in Iraq and against US interests around the world is not helping him in the polls. I suspect a homeland attack would be even worse for him.
I think terrorists would probobly like to see somebody new in the White House. That would symbolize the division of America and the erosion of US morale and resolve. Terrorists might like Kerry if they think he will softer and more hands tied, but really I think the want the symbolic victory of putting an end to the Bush doctrine and the War on Terrorism. But even they can't be sure of who benefits from an attack. It seems like the government is just trying to be on the side of precaution and takes what information it has seriously.
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: Divided_Sky]
#2887416 - 07/13/04 07:57 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2887758 - 07/13/04 10:11 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Don't you think the terrorists are doing exactly what they want NOW??? al queda has never been more mobilized, or greater in numbers. Not to mention our military is stretched as far as it can go fighting 2 wars (that we know about - we've all but forgot Afganistan), we have the national guard (who protect us HERE) oversees, and bush has CUT funding for first responders (you know, homeland security) ... Do you REALLY think george w bush has made anyone safer with the actions he's taken??? If we had an administration who was less focused on war profiteering and oil, and more focused on fighting terrorists, osama bin laden wouldn't have lasted 3 months after 911. Period. we give these terrorists waaaaay too much credit. They could have said the same thing about the bloods and crips and we would have believed it.
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: voice]
#2888951 - 07/14/04 09:19 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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In the short term no we are not safer but in the long term, flushing out the extremists and eliminating them will be safer. We knew that there would be a serge of terrorism. Anyone knows a tiger that is feeling threatened is more dangerous that one that is comfortable. The surge you see are the desperateness of them. I'm not convinced that there are really that many more terrorists, I think they were just not visible and in hiding before. The ones that "became" terrorists probably would have anyway at some point. And NO they are not doing what they want now, why do you think they are thrashing about and being so active? Desperation my friend.
Cyber, Just saying it was the Dem prez of all prezez that started it and who was prez when it was renewed in '94?
You throw that out as evidence of the NWO and of course the NWO is a republican endeavor. So I just want to know how this all fits?
If there is an NWO I guarantee it is both sides of the isle. If the left isn't taking away economic freedoms then it is the right erroding the constitution and taking social freedoms. They use the publics tendency to swing too far in the opposite direction after a crisis to talk you out of your freedoms, talking about being safe. Fuck I don't want or need to be totally safe and secure. I love the quote about if you are willing to give them up, you don't deserve them.
Fuck the left and the right, they are opposite sides of the same coin!
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2888976 - 07/14/04 09:30 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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mntlfngrs said: I didn't say that. Would you like to point out a flaw in my statement?
personally, I disagree. I think the terrorists WANT bush in office, so as to further destroy the worlds outlook on america as he chases them around the globe. I also think they want to martyr themselves quite a bit.
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: Barbi]
#2889241 - 07/14/04 11:17 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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They may want to martyr themselves but I don't think that is the same as being cased down like dogs. I think they would rather have us turn a blind eye so they could put together a doosey and drop it on us unexpectedly. They are so decentralized right now that it will be difficult to put together anything very grand. I could be wrong though.
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
#2889361 - 07/14/04 11:49 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tasty_Smurf_House said: Would Bush risk his own country for votes?
Yes.
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Re: Would Bush risk his own country for votes? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2889930 - 07/14/04 01:47 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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mntlfngrs said:
Fuck the left and the right, they are opposite sides of the same coin!
I completely agree.
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