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OfflineShroomyTunes
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Psychedelics and Atheism
    #2883799 - 07/12/04 10:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I have tripped many times in the past. Only from mushrooms though, nothing else. Before doing mushrooms I was an atheist, and tripping only further confirmed the fact that religion is a giant fairy tale to me. I definetely do not believe in any god, and I find the fact that people actually believe christianity to be ridiculous. Has anybody ever had any experiences that changed or stabilized their views on christianity or any religion, both for and against them?


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: ShroomyTunes]
    #2883848 - 07/12/04 10:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Why does giving up religion mean you should give up spirituality? Isn't tripping about keeping an open mind? Aren't alot of things possible?

Acid and mushrooms never answered anything for me, what I have gotten from them is alot of questions.


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: ShroomyTunes]
    #2883999 - 07/12/04 11:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I was an atheist before trying mushrooms, and now I am very spiritual and completely open minded. If someone needs Christianity to make it through their day-to-day life, that is their call and I sincerely feel happy for them. Just because I don't agree doesn't make their beliefs rediculous.


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: Letto]
    #2885177 - 07/13/04 09:55 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Letto said:
Just because I don't agree doesn't make their beliefs rediculous.




Exactly what I was thinking. Personally, I consider myself to be Christian (although the main thing is that yes, I believe in God... I could care less about the religious group affiliation). If I come across an athiest, I treat them the same as anyone else. I DAMN sure don't force my views on anyone, and I don't think anyone is rediculous for believing in a way other than me. Everyone makes up their own minds.

Anyway, whenever I trip, I have lots of insights, many of which are spiritual. There hasn't been anything that completely solidified my views. Just your average shroom-induced, I-feel-like-a-philosopher insights. :smile:


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: ShroomyTunes]
    #2885559 - 07/13/04 12:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I was born and raised Protestant. They seem to have it pretty together as far as Christianity goes,

but alas, I'm agnostic. There is a God, I dont know who he/she/it is or how he/she/it works, but I know it's inside me, and I don't have to pass the collection plate or molest little boys to get closer to God.


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: ShroomyTunes]
    #2886071 - 07/13/04 02:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i also was atheist before i tripped on mushrooms, but the shrooms changed it all.i belive in god now but not in the same way christians believe.i am still skeptical that there ever was jesus(son of god who died for our sins) but i believe there is some kind of creating energy, a magical motor if you will,that controls this cycle of life we are born into. i had a death and rebirth on shrooms once and during this i regressed in my mind all the way through 4.6 billion years of encoded information in my DNA. i witnessed creation itself.there was no heaven or hell. i'm not sure what death will be like,but i'm sure it will be a new beginning.


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: ShroomyTunes]
    #2886128 - 07/13/04 02:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Before doing mushrooms I was an atheist, and tripping only further confirmed the fact that religion is a giant fairy tale to me.




Odd... trips usually open ones mind rather than closing it.


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: Seuss]
    #2886740 - 07/13/04 05:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm like bonez420.

Some people live for god.
And some live for the moment.

I live for the moment, but i believe there is a god.


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: nickelpenny]
    #2886761 - 07/13/04 06:06 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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nickelpenny said:
I'm like bonez420.

Some people live for god.
And some live for the moment.

I live for the moment, but i believe there is a god.




Me too.


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: MOTH]
    #2886783 - 07/13/04 06:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Mushrooms have opened my mind vastly. I have become somewhat enlightened, I have overcome most biases and conditioning that our young brains are taught and I feel very good about this but for some reason my psychedelic experiences have done no justice for my religious beliefs. I am quite spiritual actually, I just dont believe in any sort of god.


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: ShroomyTunes]
    #2886827 - 07/13/04 06:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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ShroomyTunes said:
Mushrooms have opened my mind vastly. I have become somewhat enlightened, I have overcome most biases and conditioning that our young brains are taught and I feel very good about this but for some reason my psychedelic experiences have done no justice for my religious beliefs. I am quite spiritual actually, I just dont believe in any sort of god.




Actually, the first 4-5 times I did mushrooms, I began to have a hatred for the concept of "God."  I didn't believe that there was a God at all, and if there was I hated him.  Lots of stuff from my past began rising up to strangle my spirituality. 



Then, I had an..."experience..."  :mushroom2:

Everyone is at a different level in their spiritual journey.  The important thing is that your spirituality is fresh, alive, ever-evolving within you.  Never let it grow stagnant.  I believe that mushrooms assist in keeping the vigor of spirituality alive.  One day, your mind might change.  You just never know.  :sun:


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: ShroomyTunes]
    #2887689 - 07/13/04 11:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

If anything tripping has taught me how much really is a matter of faith. Considering how little we know for sure, believing in God doesn't seem so crazy.
I have a more pantheistic view, but I think there is a supreme or higher force/being which is a composite organism of all us little things. This greater entity is the basis for virtue and altruism. I think it is like the Christian God in many ways except it is not anthropomorhpic, independently existing, human-like, and it does not require belief n Jesus.


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: ShroomyTunes]
    #2888714 - 07/14/04 07:51 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I have the view that anybody who believes in any sort of organised religion is philosophically lazy (if that makes any sense?). They have given up asking questions and settled for an easy answer.

My religious beliefs are that, i don't fucking know, and i will likely never know, but that's the whole fun in it. Always questioning and entertaining ideas or coming up with new ones, religios discussions can be fun and thought provoking so long as you are not stubborn in your beliefs, have an open mind and are always willing to accept another belief (that does not mean u should be fooled easily).

Does that make me an agnostic?

Furthermore i should say that most of the very ritualised religions like Orthodox Jews and Catholics are just mind-numbing. The mantras (mia culpa) and reciting of the lines you learn and the performance of the priest in his purple robe saying his lines, i believe in a way makes u fall into a sort of trance. In a vulnerable state like hypnosis where any suggestion can be believed. For the cunning religious leader-guy up front he has an opportunity at mind control. (If he is evil and all that)

Catholic priests (for the most part) suck all the joy out of young children like big giant leeches and keep them depressed with a feeling of guilt for the rest of their lives. They now need to always come back for absolution just like another hit of that great opiate that lets u forget your problems for just a short time. Yes religion is an opiate for the masses.

Jesus was way cool, a truly enlightened being like buddah, too bad people truly fucked up what he stood for.

But hey, whatever lets u get thru the day... just believe in that and dont be mean to people. :wink:

(one more thing) I forgot who said this but, "In a bad trip, there's no such thing as an atheist"


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: el_duderino]
    #2890470 - 07/14/04 05:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This is very interesting. The last post summed up a lot for me. I really don't know what to think right now and I'm hoping a few more trips might help me out (just obtained 14 grams :smile:)...I definetely believe that all organized religions are wrong. I don't think that any religion on this earth is accurate in the depiction of our god or gods. What makes Christianity so right and Muslim so wrong and vice versa? I think they are both wrong. It is always so thought provoking to wonder about the spiritual world and I think that anyone who is a dedicated muslim, jew, christian, etc. is just as close-minded as a strong atheist. Right now, I am on the edge of weak-atheist and agnostic. Hopefully my trips can help me further.

p.s. I watched "Hour of Power" on mushrooms...It scared me so much to read the lyrics of the hymns, hear what was being said, etc...I've come to the conclusion that organized religion is brainwash. Unfortunately, people would rather invest their time in obtaining a false sense of security than to think for themselves.


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: ShroomyTunes]
    #2890964 - 07/14/04 08:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Mushrooms (and acid) turned me from an atheist to an agnostic.


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: ShroomyTunes]
    #2890997 - 07/14/04 08:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

On mushrooms, I experienced a sense of oneness with the universe. Everything felt interconnected, as if it was a part of me and I a part of it. I felt this energy source in the center of it all. It was like the universe had a consciousness to it. At the time I called it God, though now I find it more accurate and descriptive to refer to it as "the Source," as it did not seem to be any sort of anthropomorphic entity. So in summary, mushrooms have given me a more positive outlook on spirituality, though I am even more hostile now to organized religion, especially seeing two of my closest friends who are slaves to the Catholic church.


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: silversoul7]
    #2891047 - 07/14/04 08:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Get a haircut...hippy. (jk)


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: ShroomyTunes]
    #2893314 - 07/15/04 02:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Mushrooms have steered my religious/spirtual beliefs toward a more impersonal force like the tao...


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: Nickatina]
    #2893431 - 07/15/04 03:04 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I was raised christain but never was very religious altough I did believe in god, but who wouldn't when going to sunday school/church every sunday was just as common as going to school. Not really forced down my throat but church and church group activites were just a regular occurence so inturn I believed in god like all the other good little girls and boys. I was confirmed christian but as I got older (15-16) I started to question religion in general, and then psychedelics basically confirmed to me that religion is BULLSHIT, yes you heard me, BULLSHIT. I hate it when people get the impression that people who don't believe in some higher power are just drab negative people with no creativeness, imagination...etc. I LOVE nature and its natural beauty, and I understand that people have evolved just like every other organism on this planet. I don't try to push my views to other people, but I do have to laugh at those with such strange beliefs.


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Re: Psychedelics and Atheism [Re: ShroomyTunes]
    #2893504 - 07/15/04 03:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"p.s. I watched "Hour of Power" on mushrooms...It scared me so much to read the lyrics of the hymns, hear what was being said, etc...I've come to the conclusion that organized religion is brainwash. Unfortunately, people would rather invest their time in obtaining a false sense of security than to think for themselves."

This is very so true, at least to me. I look to Self for spiritual realizations and sojourns. I am also very influenced by my cosmic consciousness, for me it seems to be the basis for reality.

People who succumb to the Church are weak. Not bad, and I respect everyone, for I am a humanitarian. Yet I have watched friends and family members turn to the church for help. All the church gave them in return was an explanation of why they were bad people (or these bad things were coming over them), and how they were letting the devil take over in their lives, and without this church there will be no sense of God in your soul.

Individually, people have faith. The only person you can trust is yourself, because particularly, it is the only person you know.Everyone creates their own reality and molds to their own transcedental views of _________ <--any subject here) Community is great, if it isn't run by mass evil...Like Wal-Mart and Benny Hinn.

Wow, I really hate Wal-Mart. I should start a thread. Im sure its probably been done though.

Look to your God and goddess and nature, earth mother, buddah, allah, you name it...you got it... inside of you.
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