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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead]
    #28788380 - 05/26/24 06:31 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

I think Zukerbergs is meant to be able to sustain him for 20 years... so..

Maybe there is hope.. and human life will go on.. nerdy, gingery... life.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28788448 - 05/26/24 08:15 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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You don't understand... it doesn't matter what you FEEL. Russia will never give up Crimea, and to think otherwise is fairytale loony toons thinking...



It’s really up to NATO whether Russia keeps crimea. With modern weapons Ukrainians themselves could have their entire country back. Russia is no match for western technology.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #28788484 - 05/26/24 08:43 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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You don't understand... it doesn't matter what you FEEL. Russia will never give up Crimea, and to think otherwise is fairytale loony toons thinking...



It’s really up to NATO whether Russia keeps crimea. With modern weapons Ukrainians themselves could have their entire country back. Russia is no match for western technology.




If it were so simple, Ukraine would have already run Russia out of their country, and Crimea. It's not though.

Taking Crimea from Russia would start a hot war between NATO and Russia.

Therefore... there is no point to even discussing what Ukraine would, or could do... in some fairytale.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28788699 - 05/26/24 11:23 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

There’s a reason Obama wasn’t ready to start a war over Crimea.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28788703 - 05/26/24 11:25 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

What was that reason?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28788705 - 05/26/24 11:26 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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What was that reason?




Come on man...

He didn't want to kick off WW3!


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28788708 - 05/26/24 11:27 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

I could make an argument about it not being worth a hot war between nato and russia, but the main reason is that he has a massive ego and didn’t want to be known as the war president after having failed to stop the two wars he said he would.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28788709 - 05/26/24 11:28 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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I could make an argument about it not being worth a hot war between nato and russia, but the main reason is that he has a massive ego and didn’t want to be known as the war president after having failed to stop the two wars he said he would.




He probably didn't want the first black president to br known for starting a war between Russia and NATO also..


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28788755 - 05/26/24 11:59 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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I could make an argument about it not being worth a hot war between nato and russia, but the main reason is that he has a massive ego and didn’t want to be known as the war president after having failed to stop the two wars he said he would.




One could also make the argument that Ukraine was even less prepared to fight a war back then, and by virtue of not doing anything about it, bought eight years of preparation in terms of arms shipments and troop training.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28788795 - 05/26/24 12:32 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Good point. It would’ve been a much more massive commitment by the U.S. than it is currently.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28788815 - 05/26/24 12:46 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Look at that Obama saved us from ww3:cookiemonster:

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
    #28788819 - 05/26/24 12:53 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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Look at that Obama saved us from ww3:cookiemonster:




... by not starting WW3?

Your logic is flawless.. :cookiemonster:

Trump saved us from WW3 too! Look at that!


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28788830 - 05/26/24 01:02 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

yah I forgot only serious discussion and theories here I’ll let you have the podium:nerd:

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28788832 - 05/26/24 01:04 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Guys Woodrow Wilson didn't start WW2 either


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
    #28788838 - 05/26/24 01:13 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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yah I forgot only serious discussion and theories here I’ll let you have the podium:nerd:




A wise decision, brother. :nerd:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #28788859 - 05/26/24 01:35 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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Look at that Obama saved us from ww3:cookiemonster:




... by not starting WW3?

Your logic is flawless.. :cookiemonster:

Trump saved us from WW3 too! Look at that!




Pretty sure Choppy, and possibly you, have made that argument unironically.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28788867 - 05/26/24 01:50 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Both of those presidents actually brought us closer to ww3 by not doing more to stand up to Russia at the time .
  Neither ww1 or ww2 was avoided by us staying out of shit . It was literally the opposite .


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28788874 - 05/26/24 01:59 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

We are no closer to WW3 than we were 10 years ago.  This is all hysteria.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28788876 - 05/26/24 01:59 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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You don't understand... it doesn't matter what you FEEL. Russia will never give up Crimea, and to think otherwise is fairytale loony toons thinking...



It’s really up to NATO whether Russia keeps crimea. With modern weapons Ukrainians themselves could have their entire country back. Russia is no match for western technology.




It's hard to believe that people still believe this in 2024 after hundreds of photos/videos have been uploaded online of Western equipment getting smoked by 1970's tube artillery.

Modern war has changed dramatically with the advent of mass produced recon and suicide drones. A single Russian Orlan can take an ancient piece of artillery from Soviet times and turn it into a precise and deadly weapon capable of destroying any armored vehicle, or cluster of infantry. This has made it exceedingly difficult for either side to make any advances whatsoever... and yet the Russians are still pushing and taking ground here and there while the Ukrainians are now stuck on permanent defense.

There is absolutely nothing the West can provide that would change the course of the war at this point. It's just being prolonged so that the West does not have to admit failure. Needless to say, there is zero hope that the Ukrainians could *ever* retake Crimea at this point, no matter what we do, no matter what we give them.

To retake Crimea would require nothing short of a massive NATO intervention and surprise attack involving hundreds of thousands of NATO troops suddenly airdropped into the theatre for a massive joint NATO-Ukrainian push on Crimea. This is not possible either logistically or feasibly since it would result in nuclear strikes.

And another thing. What have we *not* given them at this point? We've given them almost everything they asked for short of aircraft carriers, nukes and F-35's. Almost every single Ukrainian demand has been fulfilled. It has amounted to nothing but a lot of dead folks and massive piles of burnt out and ruined Western weapon systems - and the Russians still advanced anyways.

Just recently Biden sent the Ukrainians several hundred ATACMS, and is likely going to give them the official go-ahead to use them to hit Russian territory (permission which they already had unofficially), and guess what. They are still going to lose the war.

It's all so utterly tiresome.



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Pretty sure Choppy, and possibly you, have made that argument unironically.




I don't believe I ever made this argument. However, his presence in the White House has certainly indirectly prevented a dangerous situation where it could have happened.

The reason Obama didn't do a no fly zone in Syria or activate the Ukrainian front beyond the initial Maidan operation (which Biden ended up doing years later) was because he expected Hillary to win and for her to be the one to do this. It was easier and less risky for him to push it all onto her.

Trump didn't prevent WW3, but him being in office prevented someone from being in office who probably would have. Thank fucking God.

If the Syrian and Ukrainian front had been activated against Russia at the same time it would have been significantly worse than it is now. This would have been a proxy war on two fronts with twice the risk and twice the danger.

The only reason Biden couldn't activate the Syrian front after he got elected was because by the time he took office our proxy terrorists in the region had been more or less crushed completely. You can't do a no fly zone if there are no more proxies on the ground to fight for you. Trump winning in 2016 really was a crucial and pivotal moment from a geopolitical perspective, with serious though unappreciated positive benefits for the world, even if those benefits were not necessarily a result of his own actions.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28788892 - 05/26/24 02:08 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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We need to allow Ukraine to finally fight back and rain hell on Russia (not on civilians, of course, because we aren't terrorists like Putin).  The time has finally come to stop worrying about Putin's nukes because he is being too much of a bully and needs to be stopped.




How, exactly, do you propose to "rain hell on Russia" while not targeting civilians?






Just simply rain missiles/bombs down on military targets in Russia.  :shrug:

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