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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: Eva radke]
#28693541 - 03/10/24 08:46 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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As I've gotten older, I've found more and more that cactus tea is harder to recuperate from, the experience is absolutely incredible the whole day and night I drink it, but the next day it feels like I "been thru a major operation" as someone else so eloquently described it, by mid day next day I am so tired I have to take a nap for hours, and even after napping I am often still a bit tired, it's not till the next day after that I feel pretty much back to normal.
The pan cyan mushrooms leave me able to sleep easily the night after taking them and back to normal the next day, which at my age is much easier to handle. I will save the cactus for special occasions like when I walk down to the water park down the road and go swimming all day long, hanging out in outdoor nature. I'm just not able to use the cactus as much as I used to, too much next day recuperation time.
As you all know, I have been having excellent results growing the pan cyan mushrooms in 1/2 pint jars as opposed to the pyrex trays which although grow out easily, just never did fruit for me.
--> What I love most about this method is that there is never any shaking, or mycelium reconsolidation or recuperation time, it's fast beginning to end. Also no 4 hour pc time, only 1 hour pc at 15 psi. <--
This is the recipe I use for the 1/2 pint TTBVI and blue springs strain pan cyans:
13 cups manure mix substrate (I get 2.5 lb or more pre-mixed dried horse manure/vermiculite/straw/coir/water at field capacity/minerals that has been pre-pasteurized and sold vacuum packed by a multitude of places on line) 3 cups ground brown rice 2 cups water
As seen above, the ground brown rice makes up around 23% of the ingredients.
I mixed all the above together in a bowl in kitchen sink, when I squeezed a handful in hand, only a few drops to several drops came out in fast stream, at field capacity.
Load into 21 of the 1/2 pint jars, don't pack down, you want it airy and fluffy like.
Add the wide mouth filter disk to each jar (can find on-line from many places)
cover the jars with foil
pc the 21 jars for 1 hour at 15 psi
The canner holds 3 layers of 7 jars (3 x 7 = 21 total). Add 2 quarts water to pc.
Let cool in canner overnight
Before I had done all this, I scraped TTBVI and blue springs pan cyan spores from off the print into many pre-poured petri dishes found on line from many places. This was done using a sterile scalpel (pack of scalpel are dirt cheap) in front of flow hood.
In only 5 days each of the petri dishes was 1/2 full of mycelium. (kept at 77 degrees F)
At that point, I used sterile scalpel to cut a large section from each petri dish, opened the 1/2 pint jar in front of flow hood, and inserted agar piece on to top of each jar, and stirred the agar around on top the jar before resealing it in front of flow hood, this spread the mycelium from off the agar on to the entire top of the inside of the jar.
Each petri dish gave me 4 large sections, so each petri dish was enough for 4 jars, even though I did not take advantage of that this time and just scraped spores into 1/2 of the petri dish.
Placed the 21 jars into tent which I kept at 77 degree F all the time using lava rock heater with reptile lamps.
By exactly 15 days later, all 21 jars are completely grown out as seen in photo.
Now I will allow 3 more days to pass, then this coming Thursday, will place each jar into the SGFC (shot gun fruiting chamber) with a very thin (less than 1/4" casing layer saturated with water) and hope for them to fruit. I will daily mist the casing layer when it gets dry using once a day misting. I am using a string of LED lights to supply the 12 hour on 12 hour off lighting.

Other threads similar to way I am growing:
MacMerdin's Simple Pan-Cakes * 52 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18357343
shot gun fruiting chamber (called this because it looks like a shotgun blew holes all in it): Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542/fpart/all
https://mycotopia.net/topic/3295-waylits-pan-cyan-tek-plastic-jars/ (Waylit's Pan cyan Tek-- plastic jars)
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: tregar]
#28698664 - 03/14/24 07:42 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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so Bezevo said:
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I MIGHT Have MISSED it but what were the proportions of the Manure mix (manure.../vermiculite,,,/straw..../coi..r/water) ?
Bezevo, I just type in "manure mix casing" into google and select from any number of vendors and use their pre-mixed several lb mix, they do not give ratios of all the ingredients, but it is pre-pasteurized which allows me to pc it for 1 hour at 15 psi with the brown rice and added water.
As mentioned before, what I love most about this method is there is never any shaking, or mycelium reconsolidation or recuperation time, it's fast beginning to end. I am at day 23 since very beginning of spores scraped onto agar, and they are all ready to be put into SGFC today (I allowed 3 days of further growth after day 15 of all the jars 100% colonized).
I use 13 cups of horse manure casing mix no matter where it is from. I like the pre-vacuum packed mixes. I believe it is half vermiculite/half dried horse manure with added straw and coir, minerals and water to field capacity already.The pan cyan mycelium loves it.
Sure, I could use my own mix from scrap but I don't feel like pc for 4 hours. This is very similar to waylitjim's recipe except I am using 23% brown rice (similar to Macmerdin's 25% brown rice) instead of 10% brown rice like Waylitjim. Waylitjim suggested using more brown rice if starting from spores.
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I then place them directly into the SGFC after casing. I have seen people wait 48 hours for recovery but I find it not needed.
Here is the MacMerdin twist: I bury the jars/Ziploc bowls up to the top in the perlite. I figured that since a SGFC works from fresh air coming up through the bottom, I would use this fresh air as my FAE source.
Another smart idea by MacMerdin:
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I use a water dropper (child medicine dropper) to drip water on the casing layer to keep it moist. Just drop water until it starts to pool a little and then don't moisten until you see that it has dried a bit more. Usually 1 or 2 times a day is sufficient.
I re-soak the perlite every week. The perlite becomes almost like quicksand. So watch that you don't lose them.
As for maintenance of the casing layer and misting/fanning:
Maintenance:
Since hearing advice from RR, I now mist the casing layer directly to keep it moist. Apply the casing layer at field capacity. After the casing has dried a bit, mist the casing until it starts to glisten a little and then don't moisten until you see that it has dried a bit more. Usually 1 time a day is sufficient.
Misting and Fanning:
I mist around the SGFC so that the mist gets blown around the chamber. Then I fan and mist the same way again.
MacMerdin's pan cyan fruiting in SGFC (1/4" holes every 2 inches on all 6 sides with bottom layer of pre-soaked and drained thru strainer perlite):
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: tregar] 1
#28713688 - 03/25/24 06:45 PM (3 months, 46 minutes ago) |
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This beginner has failed twice before trying to grow pan cyan using a martha tent with expensive humidifiers and trays, zero mushrooms would fruit, however, once switching to the tech followed by McMerdin and Waylitjim, I finally am seeing great results!
Other threads similar to way I am growing:
MacMerdin's Simple Pan-Cakes * 52 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18357343
shot gun fruiting chamber (called this because it looks like a shotgun blew holes all in it): Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542/fpart/all
https://mycotopia.net/topic/3295-waylits-pan-cyan-tek-plastic-jars/ (Waylit's Pan cyan Tek-- plastic jars)
I pasteurized the casing by putting it into a paper cup, poured boiling hot water into the cup, and let the casing soil sit for a few hours, then poured into a strainer, and the casing was room temp and ready to use in just hours, put less than a 1/4" layer on top each jar (just a few mm), misted once in the morning and once again at night (only twice a day). I misted real well, till the casing was "glistening" with moisture. Just like roger rabbit said, the SGFC is great for people who have jobs where you are away more than 10 hours a day (which I am), it's perfect.
Once the baby mushrooms formed, I then used this long pipette seen in photo to carefully apply water (around 1/4 of the pipette full) all over the casing and around the pins (stopped misting directly) but then after doing that would give around 6 to 8 total misting from far above the SGFC so it would gently rain down from way above down onto all the jars.
At night it would get down to 68 degrees F, so I used an oil filled radiant heater (simply pushed the button on the heater to set it at 75 degrees F) at night to keep it at exactly 75 degrees till I would wake up and turn the heater off. You want to always HEAT THE ENTIRE ROOM and never just the SGFC (or you will bake the mushrooms dry). During the day no heater needed, as it was 76 degrees most of the time. This heater rules as it does not dry the room out, and it makes ZERO sound, completely silent, and uses very little electricity.
Pic below is around 10 days after putting the half pint jars into the SGFC (1/4" holes every 2"). It has 4.5" of perlite on bottom which was moistened outside using garden hose, shook the 54 quart sterile tub back and forth for the perlite to drain, then took it inside, and put a 18" x 12.5" cooling rack on top the perlite, it fit the 54 quart (22.5 x 16 x 12.75") perfectly! I placed the jars on top the rack.
Every 7 days (each Friday) I "re-charge" the perlite by re-wetting it so it will again last for 7 more days. The humidity meter always reads 99% at all times every day.
With the SGFC, air comes up thru the perlite to humidify the chamber. As evaporation happens it creates an area of lower pressure relative to the air in the upper part of the SGFC. So humidified air comes up from the perlite and out the top holes giving CONSTANT FAE with out drying out too much during the day and night.
It's a workout drilling all the holes, so be prepared, I used a pair of dikes to then cut off any curled up plastic from around the holes, this worked well. I drilled outside while watching the puppies play.
You do not want to run any fans in the room, just allow your central A/C to come in as normal from the ceiling above, but you do want to crack a window about 1/4" behind the curtains which is what I did to keep the air fresh (not stale) just as Roger Rabbit said he always keeps a window cracked to allow in fresh air at all times, no matter what the temp is outside, I concur.
Lighting was supplied by a Grow Light LED Gooseneck Lamp,6500K 80W Full Spectrum 144 LED Plant Lamp Clip-on Desk. I used MILK CRATES under the SGFC as someone else said to do so that air could enter the bottom holes of the SGFC just fine while allowing strong support for the heavy SGFC.
You know what they say, "third time is a charm", this beginner has never grown any kind of mushrooms before, and happy that pan cyan is my first, can't wait to sample. Thanks so much shroomery members for all your help! I can't thank you enough.

The TTBVI and blue springs pan cyan jars even fruit without a casing, as an experiment, these 2 jars were birthed, dunked in water for 20 hours, then rolled in vermiculite, and fruited just fine.
Edited by tregar (03/30/24 07:03 PM)
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms *DELETED* [Re: tree frog]
#28786353 - 05/24/24 02:42 PM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: PkgmSu2000]
#28787066 - 05/25/24 05:08 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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Actually, I was just starting my journey into Pans when I made that post. Sterilizing the poop is fine. I've been doing it in jars myself and people have been doing it in bags since the beginning. If you take a look at my journal there's a whole log of this process (not a tek because I'm still gathering data to make one).
Here's a recent post from my journal with the last jars I ran.
recipe for those jars
The holes I pointed out in Tregar's aseptic tech are spot on, though.
Anyway, the official Pan thread is a great place to start. Don't read all of it, just look at how people are growing now and ask questions if you need help.
Baba's Pans in Monos is good too. Especially if you don't have a tent and don't want to fuck around with turning your bathtub into a fruiting chamber.
And Mac's Pan Cakes are another great starting place, especially if you like doing BRF grows for cubes.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: tregar]
#28788220 - 05/25/24 10:54 PM (1 month, 20 hours ago) |
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Traeger, sincerely thank you for taking the time to share your Pans experience with the community. I’ve had an easy time growing cubes in tubs, but have failed twice growing Pans Cyan in a tent. Suffered through so much of the same - sterilizing instead of pasteurizing, trying to heat just the tent cooking trays, not calibrating instruments, my fogger also dumping water everywhere, complete mismanagement of FAE/Evaporation… complete failures despite all my creative attempts to dial in the tent.
The tent is a very cool idea with automation, but far too complex for someone who just wants a few fruits for personal use. Should have done more research here and should have looked for a tub tek adapted for Pans… because tubs are what I know.
It’s been a great learning experience, one that I don’t regret, gaining wisdom and very much looking forward to going back to tubs.
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