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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: The Patient]
#28784336 - 05/22/24 07:43 PM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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I feel for ya. I should clarify, I actually work in the psychiatric field, and have seen many people stabilize and feel a lot better with an effective antipsychotic medication.
I just think there's plenty of nuance to the conversation, and it's not a one size fits all approach that is best.
I've also seen a number of people go through psychosis that needed higher doses of an antipsychotic initially, but were eventually able to wean down to the lowest possible dose, and do well on that.
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
#28784445 - 05/22/24 10:01 PM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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Yeah awesome i wish schizophrenia wasnt so heavily stigmatized nobody really understands it.
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robhr
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: The Patient]
#28784477 - 05/22/24 11:22 PM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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The Patient said: Yeah awesome i wish schizophrenia wasnt so heavily stigmatized nobody really understands it.
Mental illness in general is too stigmatized. You automatically become a charity case. Oh pat the schizophrenic on the head the schizophrenic said something smart and sane. Be soft and kind and gentle to the poor schizophrenic you might make him upset. Treat him like a broken little baby and call it "respect." All it is is a brain going a little haywire and they just need to get a handle on it. All they want to be is real people who get treated like real people. They have a condition and it most certainly has it's merits but it comes with a few little... Inconveniences. It's just a condition it doesn't need to become everything you are and everything you will ever be.
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: robhr] 1
#28784594 - 05/23/24 04:26 AM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Yeah you can say that but you haven't been institutionalized and givin strong meds against you're consent and you obviously have not reached rock bottom before. You can treat me like any other normal person im not special just because of my condition, its a big part of who i am and i recognize that.. its nothing to be ashamed about.
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: The Patient]
#28784624 - 05/23/24 05:49 AM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Being ND is a blessing and a curse. We can't all see the world the same, that leads to monoculture and likely death if other natural systems are any indication.
But, being different in a way others can't see creates a false expectation that ND people are the same and have the same abilities.
It's a way we put ourselves and each other in boxes.
Learning to accept that I am different has been a major breakthrough for me in understanding myself better, being more realistic about my expectations for myself, as well as being able to identify what care is appropriate for me as well as the likely outcomes for that care.
In my case child hood abuse changes the architecture of your brain from a very young age and I can manage symptoms but I will never be neurotypical. There was no baseline from before I was traumatized to go back to.
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: tree frog] 2
#28784888 - 05/23/24 11:08 AM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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? Monoculture is actually the way species heal and thrive? That's why they each had one that fit them.
And it's not the crying or the running nekked or the singing la la la la songs out the window at all the beautiful people that aren't there, It's the broken glass, the flying cue balls, the accusations of being satan, the animals, theft, vandalism, the house and all the other damage as well as the emotional fatigue and by-proxy enslavement that people "stigmatize".
Most people are good with "I love you" once in awhile
But I do have to say that over the last decades everything except the medicines has gotten better maybe they have ones that last longer and do less damage but I don't think there's an end to it until the combination holistic therapy of diet psychotherapy, physiotherapies, OT & etc makes the vast majority of drugs temporary, because we know they aren't permanent.
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: curenado]
#28784897 - 05/23/24 11:15 AM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Nature thrives on diversity. Monocultures are great for growing crops until a pathogen wipes out all your genetically identical clones.
Anyway, the emotional instability is difficult. It's difficult for both me and my partner, which is why I ask for help from people I trust (i.e. my therapist).
On that other side of the equation I don't get much understanding from NT people. Because they assume that I am like them. Which tends to lead to frustration. Yelling and thankfully no throwing things but sometimes storming out of the house and saying fuck you I'm not talking to you until you can fucking hear me.
Granted, I don't have a psychotic condition like schizophrenia. And I know from having a schizophrenic celly how difficult it can be to care about somebody with schizophrenia.
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: The Patient]
#28785028 - 05/23/24 01:11 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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The Patient said: Yeah you can say that but you haven't been institutionalized and givin strong meds against you're consent and you obviously have not reached rock bottom before. You can treat me like any other normal person im not special just because of my condition, its a big part of who i am and i recognize that.. its nothing to be ashamed about.
I think you're misunderstanding what I am saying as the proper response to "Schizophrenics just want to be treated like people" couldn't possibly be "Yeah you can say that but..."
Unless it was understating with "inconveniences" but that would also be a misunderstanding as the understatement was meant to be very obvious.
Oh was it it doesn't need to become everything you are or everything you ever will be? The implication that all you need to do is get a handle on it? Well, as a person who got a handle on it... You should know all it is is a thing you need to get a handle on. Again, though, a bit of an understatement, I understand it is the most challenging condition to get a handle on.
Edited by robhr (05/23/24 01:16 PM)
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: robhr]
#28785722 - 05/24/24 02:12 AM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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At the beginning of these mental diseases you don't understand how it happened..
But by the end you are a magus with supernatural powers with peace of mind and a grip on reality..
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28787139 - 05/25/24 07:57 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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BrendanFlock said: At the beginning of these mental diseases you don't understand how it happened..
But by the end you are a magus with supernatural powers with peace of mind and a grip on reality..
In a mental institution, a prison or on probation? The guy I know looks out a dam window when he can, wont see us till sep if he does. People need natural powers and i believe the more they develop the real, the less they need the unreal
What supernatural powers?
 those come right before the wreckage
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: curenado]
#28787188 - 05/25/24 08:46 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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curenado said: What supernatural powers?
 those come right before the wreckage
Can confirm, I was on the verge of enlightenment before my life went to shit. Seems I've retained some of the knowledge I gained from it, but it's as if I no longer see the truth of it, so the wisdom it once held is lost on me.
Sometimes, the development and progression of this disease makes me feel like I'm actually a mouse named Algernon.
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: yoosername]
#28787375 - 05/25/24 10:59 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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I found the dharma in prison, lost my faith over COVID.
Getting back into the practice though.
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: tree frog]
#28787721 - 05/25/24 03:53 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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My bud figured he was picking up radio signals from the fillings in his teeth,then he threw my phone and his out the window of a moving car, then he wanted to move to that place in Virginia where radios are not allowed due to their interference with delicate dish receivers, then he figured homeless people were camping behind the house.
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: curenado]
#28788191 - 05/25/24 10:22 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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curenado said:
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BrendanFlock said: At the beginning of these mental diseases you don't understand how it happened..
But by the end you are a magus with supernatural powers with peace of mind and a grip on reality..
In a mental institution, a prison or on probation? The guy I know looks out a dam window when he can, wont see us till sep if he does. People need natural powers and i believe the more they develop the real, the less they need the unreal
What supernatural powers?
 those come right before the wreckage
Lol, yes.. I was in a mental hospital for 3 different stays within a year.. so almost spent 10 months inside..
Even though its not jail.. it can be hard time..
When I started doing lots of drugs the second time.. then it became fun..
Otherwise I would ruminate on when I would actually be released..
I started working out in their gym.. so that was beneficial.
Also Was enlightened in D ward.. my second stay..
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28788195 - 05/25/24 10:23 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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Also.. I think,people with schizophrenic tendencies would in the past become shamans..
I just thought of this: what about weed shamanism? Could weed be a sacrament for shamanic use?
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28788861 - 05/26/24 01:38 PM (1 month, 10 hours ago) |
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Perhaps someday we can see into your headspace via virtual reality to see for ourselves the interactions you have with the 'other side'.
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28788904 - 05/26/24 02:16 PM (1 month, 9 hours ago) |
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BrendanFlock said: Also.. I think,people with schizophrenic tendencies would in the past become shamans..
I just thought of this: what about weed shamanism? Could weed be a sacrament for shamanic use?
Well one, weed, Shamanism and schizophrenia are all very different things and they can be all mixed in one person, if that person wants to think they're a shaman. It's just if the rest of the tribe think they are a shaman.... I think maybe you mean Oracle. that's different. birth defects and crazies that didn't get killed for it might have been used for oracles, but that's all.
But I'm pretty sure mostly in history they bashed their skull in with a rock after they ran them down for a witch or contagious and it was only in the last three centuries? that they started locking people up in asylums and experimenting on them to call it treatment.
Weed is officially a holy plant a sacred thing for most (in history) it appears in global medicine and in the Middle East it's a part of the temple oil and Temple incense in Bible. Everybody feels a little better and if they're by their self and of a positive or relaxing mind, they go right to heaven in their thinking don't they?
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: curenado]
#28788963 - 05/26/24 03:11 PM (1 month, 8 hours ago) |
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Weed is officially a holy plant a sacred thing for most (in history) it appears in global medicine and in the Middle East it's a part of the temple oil and Temple incense in Bible. Everybody feels a little better and if they're by their self and of a positive or relaxing mind, they go right to heaven in their thinking don't they?

Might be a connection.
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28789445 - 05/26/24 10:56 PM (1 month, 44 minutes ago) |
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Buster_Brown said:
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Weed is officially a holy plant a sacred thing for most (in history) it appears in global medicine and in the Middle East it's a part of the temple oil and Temple incense in Bible. Everybody feels a little better and if they're by their self and of a positive or relaxing mind, they go right to heaven in their thinking don't they?

Might be a connection.
Hey that's not bad I've been a monk a long time and I didn't necessarily connect that But the temple oil they were used to it is listed as an ingredient and in the incense too I'll go get those passages and come back and paste it in:
Holy anointing oil, as described in the original Hebrew version of the recipe in Exodus (30:22-23), contained over six pounds of kaneh-bosem, a substance identified by respected etymologists, linguists, anthropologists, botanists and other researchers as cannabis, extracted into about six quarts of olive oil, along ...Sep 24, 2019 https://komornlaw.com › kaneh-b... Kaneh Bosm: The Hidden Story of Cannabis in the Old Testament
"Kaneh bosm" means "sweet cane" and the romans spelled it "kannaboos" later latinized to "cannabis" - I grocked on that myself and looked it over in the hebrew. They put a topical on and also walked in clouds of hashy incense smoke at church (temple) it was a God commanded ingredient of their ecstatic worship.
Now that everybody knows all the good it does bodies and blocks flu/covid its even easier to recognize it as a "balm" and a gift for more than humans, like people did for 12,000 years and even here before later fda/dea laws. New doctors in the US got a drug sample box from Merck pharmaceuticals that had opium, pot and cocaine for compounding.
The substances were better known, better respected and only used by a small% before being regulated and criminalized, which started in the urban environments as population grew.
I didn't mean to write a book I just wanted to point out that everything negative in the extreme about them has only been around 100 years or less
*and in an incidental way I'm one of those linguist scholars, because I went all the way to Twin Cities to sit in a courtroom and testify that the "Radical Rabbi" was telling them the truth. She was an original Shroomery vendor at the time, so it was back there a bit. We all went ragged for legalization and it was 15 years later.
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Re: Schizophrenia is not a mental illness. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#28790778 - 05/28/24 01:51 AM (29 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Trypto-Fan said: Schizophrenics are incredibly spiritually gifted individuals, who have not mastered their abilities.
Society is the mental illness.
It is a mental illness. Society/psychiatry has a view of "normality" by which standards are made to compare different mentalities. "Normal" is not schizophrenic, not depressed, not BPD, not anxious chronically.
So mental illness is a divergence from this "normality".
But as most of us probably know, as mental illness is very common (1/5 people are quoted to suffer some form of mental illness in Australia). Having a label to diagnose an illness is helpful insofar as treating the person for the illness, via therapy, drugs or teaching the person the things that may trigger them to these deviations of "normal". The label is mostly unhelpful for general society to use to understand a person, as it convalesces a bunch of stereotypes and makes it easy to judge people.
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