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Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? 1
#28782875 - 05/21/24 05:58 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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I will start and can expand upon request.
I believe that this is a collective dream, where everyone has the ability to effect everything in the dream with the right amount of focus and willpower, or enough of collective society's focus, whether intentionally by them or not. It's kind of like a society wide lucid dream.
Those that know they can make things happen with most intention expressed and will power focused are able to effect the dream the greatest. Those who don't are tricked or coerced into affecting the dream how others want them to. This collective dream is "training" us to be the architect of our own dream where no collective is required to provide enough mind-power or intention to experience a subjective reality.
I believe psychedelics allow your subconcious to realize this and your willpower is more potent.
The greatest price you can pay is to pay attention.
What do you think this place is? If you disagree with me, why and what do you think?
This is my attempt at extremely simplifying and reiterating what ancient and spiritual texts convey into different, modern (and less precise) frame of reference and language. Hopefully someone can more easily understand with the frame of reference available to them.
The English language available to me is not perfect, and I don't have the words to perfectly describe what I think. This is a simplified attempt. I believe the fleeting understanding of reality by the common American (and all others, to which I have no proper frame of reference) persons is intentionally done through the spelling that is modern English (and more than likely all currently spoken language, and perhaps besides some obscure native languages not understood by more than a few).
Edit: Drugs make you think differently, and I believe that would account for the understanding many feel about reality while using them. Ever get that Ah-Ha moment when you know everything? I believe this is why.
-------------------- 🅃 🄴 🄰 🄼 🄲 🄻 🄸 🄽 🄶 🅆 🅁 🄰 🄿 "The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of understanding." - The Kyballion, Three Initiates Advanced Research of the Chronological History of Artifical Intelligence X
Edited by Herme5 (05/21/24 06:03 PM)
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: Herme5]
#28783305 - 05/21/24 11:41 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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I think your the real Hermes.?
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: Herme5]
#28783427 - 05/22/24 03:49 AM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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As you've even noted , language itself (not just English) cannot actually describe reality because reality isn't words to be described, it can only be directly experienced
So to even try to describe reality is more or less a fools errand , not to say it's not a fun one indeed  
In the same way you can never make every single person happy politically/socially in society , you'll never have a 100% set in stone definition of what reality even is
Other than what your experiencing
Even everything I've just said falls under the premise of a fools errand
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: connectedcosmos]
#28783438 - 05/22/24 04:29 AM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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This is the physical option, for spirit, with it's distractions and physical pleasures, imo
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28786092 - 05/24/24 10:42 AM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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Of course the perspective of "Many Mansions" isn't limiting us to this option only.
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: Herme5]
#28787043 - 05/25/24 04:03 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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Herme5 said:
I believe that this is a collective dream..
..dreamt by multiple instances of one and the same Dreamer.
Omnicyclion PDF (direct download)
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: Asante]
#28787077 - 05/25/24 06:02 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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Asante said:
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Herme5 said:
I believe that this is a collective dream..
..dreamt by multiple instances of one and the same Dreamer.
Omnicyclion PDF (direct download)
Agreed, the collective is of a singular origin.
-------------------- 🅃 🄴 🄰 🄼 🄲 🄻 🄸 🄽 🄶 🅆 🅁 🄰 🄿 "The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of understanding." - The Kyballion, Three Initiates Advanced Research of the Chronological History of Artifical Intelligence X
Edited by Herme5 (05/25/24 06:09 AM)
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: BrendanFlock] 1
#28787081 - 05/25/24 06:03 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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BrendanFlock said: I think your the real Hermes.?
We've all got a little bit of Hermes in all of us.
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: Herme5]
#28790468 - 05/27/24 06:49 PM (30 days, 6 hours ago) |
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I don't feel like telling you because you seem naughty and mean.
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: lostintimenspc]
#28797970 - 06/02/24 05:33 PM (24 days, 7 hours ago) |
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That's the trick, isn't it? We're communicating via a sequence of letters, which get turned into a sequence of 0's and 1's, that travel in an orderly line across wires and along radio waves, decoded at the end back into letters for each other to look at. All of reality just chunking along one click at a time, always forward. Time moves faster or slower, feels faster or slower, but never reverses.
But if time is moving more slowly around a supermassive black hole, and moving more quickly here on Earth, then that means if I'm on earth observing a spaceship near a supermassive black hole, I'm looking at the past - and the inhabitants of the spaceship observing me are looking into the future.
It hurts my brain to think about, because my conscious mind is best attuned to things happening in sequence. I have a sneaking suspicion that that's not the true nature of reality, or at least not the only way for it to be. Why can't there be entities which exist beyond time, unchanged by time, or changing along a different sort of axis while seeing our "forward moving" timeline all at once?
Such an entity might have emotions, perhaps feel compassion for the little meat things that live so hot and bright and short on this particular rock.
I've never taken a high enough dose of a strong enough psychedelic to see such creatures, but I can feel them. I have moments of intuition that seem not to come from me, that certainly don't arise from my conscious stream of thought. I have moments of serenity where I can see a kind of cosmic humor in even dark circumstances.
Alan Watts points out that if you start with an earth sized rock in just the right distance from a star, all of the compounds that need to exist for life to take place are there in solid form. Given enough time, such a rock develops a biosphere, and eventually thinking creatures, self aware, thinking about the universe and our place in it. We're made of the same stuff as the stars, the moon and the earth, but we can think about it, ponder it. And then we die, but our influence on the whole thing remains until it fades into the chaotic noise.
Knowing the true nature of reality may not actually help me. I have bills to pay, and needs to meet, and other people who rely on me. Carrying around the full knowledge of my actual place in the big picture might make it hard to get anything done.
I tend to focus on something that only living beings experience. Suffering. It is inevitable, and it seems to be at its most subtle and terrible for living beings that can think and have feelings. Some people are callous to the suffering of others, or actively cause suffering, and some people feel called to alleviate suffering. Some animals do this too.
I believe that if I frame my life around alleviating suffering, not only do I generally feel better about myself, but people and creatures who were suffering and now have their suffering reduced will have a tendency to want to pass that along.
I see it as a struggle between the impulse to self preservation and disgust towards other things, versus the impulse to the preservation of the group and the acceptance of other things. Darkness and Light. I'm made of both, I need both to survive.
Maybe when I die, that's it, lights out, nothing. But people who have had near death experiences and described what they experienced are a big inspiration for me.
I prefer to believe in a version of the afterlife in which your soul directly experiences the effects on others that you had in life. First you take in all the suffering you created, and it burns you, but hopefully burns away the rough edges and teaches you humility and compassion. Once that is through, and you are thoroughly chastised and taught, you experience all the joy that you brought to the world. That's the "treasure in heaven." Because just as suffering can beget suffering, so too can compassion beget compassion.
When I take in psilocybin, the first thing that lifts off of me are the superficial layers of unnecessary suffering. I start to laugh at the cosmic humor of this grumpy meat goblin scowling at everything and carrying around petty resentments like treasured turds. Then when the world starts pulsating and dripping, I laugh and marvel at the fact that my perception of the world is not the world itself. My perception of the world starts to dance and sing, and tells me not to take everything so seriously. If I take enough, I break through into a cosmic perception of the world, where some people dance along the fibers of existence while others anchor those fibers in place. Both are important, and we get to change roles from time to time, though some people gravitate towards one activity or another. Being able to see these fibers that make up my perception, I have an easier time untangling the knots of perception that make up my every day existence.
Psilocybin isn't the only way to achieve this effect. Good individual or communal spiritual practices can provide the same thing. I do well when I'm integrated with such a group, or disciplined enough to maintain my own spiritual practices. But I tend to drift away and isolate. Then I weave myself a nest of beliefs, aspirations, and resentments, and stare at it, obsessing, missing the bigger picture. Among other things, that's where psilocybin comes in handy. Stand up out of the nest. Kick it and see where it's knotted up. Discard what isn't helpful, strengthen what is helpful.
I think that just as we are made of the same matter and energy of the stars, there are phases of reality that are beyond ours. I like the idea that there is a larger spiritual entity than we, of which we are a projection into the physical world. That spiritual entity is itself part of a vast oversoul. That oversoul floats like a raft on an infinite ocean of possibility. There's a kind of benevolence to it all, though also melancholy, knowing as it does the suffering that occurs which it cannot directly influence. It's too big reach in and fix all the problems, which happen at a breakneck pace and in such unbelievably fine detail. But the compassion can ripple down the oversoul, into receptive spiritual entities, which can help coordinate events here in the physical world that slowly, slowly, make things better, despite the constant drag of entropy, and the fear that it creates, which gives rise to the dark actions of self-obsessed, other-fearing regions of the cosmic psyche.
Thanks for the topic, Herme5, this was fun.
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: ArkaNaut]
#28800465 - 06/04/24 05:35 PM (22 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Sounds dumb. Thanks troll.
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: ArkaNaut]
#28802696 - 06/06/24 12:48 PM (20 days, 12 hours ago) |
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I start to laugh at the cosmic humor of this grumpy meat goblin scowling at everything and carrying around petty resentments like treasured turds.
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
#28802700 - 06/06/24 12:53 PM (20 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Or a happier version (since I have a lull in my work day):
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
#28802961 - 06/06/24 05:11 PM (20 days, 7 hours ago) |
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I start to laugh at the cosmic humor of this grumpy meat goblin scowling at everything and carrying around petty resentments like treasured turds.

Thanks for the new avatar pic!
Don't touch my turds!
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: ArkaNaut]
#28802974 - 06/06/24 05:30 PM (20 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
#28809439 - 06/11/24 05:00 PM (15 days, 8 hours ago) |
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The collective unconscious and the ability to manifest
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: Herme5] 2
#28809693 - 06/11/24 08:42 PM (15 days, 4 hours ago) |
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The nature of reality is that matter is made up of atoms of various types that we generally categorize based on how many protons they have. Atoms are held together by the strong force, which is the nuclear force whose strength can be shown by the amount of energy you get from splitting the atom.
Electrons, which have a negative charge, orbit around the nucleus of atoms, and allow all sorts of cool things to happen like chemical bonds and electricity. Atoms have mass, and as a result they bend space around themselves, which creates gravity, which causes atoms to be attracted to each other in three dimensions. Eventually large groups of atoms have sufficient gravity that they form into things like planets and stars. Stars happen when you have so much gravity that it overcomes the strong force and begins fusing atoms together, which releases a ton of energy that you can see by the explosive force of the hydrogen bomb.
A lot of empty space ends up between these planets and stars, and if there is enough distance between a star and a rocky planet about the size of earth, then the planet may be in what we call the "habitable zone" which means that liquid water could form on its surface. If the planet's gravity, water content, and atmosphere are right, and if it is in the habitable zone of its star, then it's possible that chemical processes will occur that eventually create simple forms of life.
These simple forms of life evolve over billions of years into multicelled life, which eventually becomes all kinds of life, and if you're very very lucky, eventually intelligent life evolves. At first intelligent life is very stupid and superstitious and lives mainly in a state of nature, but over long periods of time it eventually dominates its environment and begins to learn and pass down knowledge.
Finally, this intelligent species invents electronics, computers, computer networking, and one day Ythan founds the Shroomery and someone posts "The nature of reality: what do you think this place is?"
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: nooneman]
#28812436 - 06/13/24 10:31 PM (13 days, 2 hours ago) |
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The only thing that is consistent is your choice to be.
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: Herme5] 2
#28815993 - 06/17/24 06:31 AM (9 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Herme5 said: I will start and can expand upon request.
I believe that this is a collective dream, where everyone has the ability to effect everything in the dream with the right amount of focus and willpower, or enough of collective society's focus, whether intentionally by them or not. It's kind of like a society wide lucid dream.
Those that know they can make things happen with most intention expressed and will power focused are able to effect the dream the greatest. Those who don't are tricked or coerced into affecting the dream how others want them to. This collective dream is "training" us to be the architect of our own dream where no collective is required to provide enough mind-power or intention to experience a subjective reality.
I believe psychedelics allow your subconcious to realize this and your willpower is more potent.
The greatest price you can pay is to pay attention.
What do you think this place is? If you disagree with me, why and what do you think?
This is my attempt at extremely simplifying and reiterating what ancient and spiritual texts convey into different, modern (and less precise) frame of reference and language. Hopefully someone can more easily understand with the frame of reference available to them.
The English language available to me is not perfect, and I don't have the words to perfectly describe what I think. This is a simplified attempt. I believe the fleeting understanding of reality by the common American (and all others, to which I have no proper frame of reference) persons is intentionally done through the spelling that is modern English (and more than likely all currently spoken language, and perhaps besides some obscure native languages not understood by more than a few).
Edit: Drugs make you think differently, and I believe that would account for the understanding many feel about reality while using them. Ever get that Ah-Ha moment when you know everything? I believe this is why.
I think you are basically bang on.
I got a tattoo of the Caduceus 7 years ago without really knowing anything about Hermes Trismegistus.
I've been on an incredible transformative alchemical process ever since, which eventually lead me to discovering hermeticism over the last year or so (However it didn't tell me anything I didn't already know - I come to conclusions about reality based on my experience, and the universe mirrors my thoughts back to me in some form or another. It's always been this way.)
I've discovered that perception = reality. There is no difference between your internal reality, and the external reality. It is a mirror.
Everything that we think of as "objective reality" is actually just a whole load of beliefs layered upon beliefs layered upon beliefs. You can always deconstruct these beliefs by examining them closely, and proving them to be false by looking for evidence to the contrary (Which there will ALWAYS be, because the universe will ALWAYS give you the choice. This is your free will.)
The universe is literally whatever you believe it to be.
I've had to go through an absolute fuckton of lessons to get here, many through psychedelics, many through life in general, and there's so much there that I'd need to write a novel about it honestly.
But at some point you'll realise that a lot of the beliefs we've held have been rooted in fear, and they do not serve us in any way except for holding us back from creating the reality we want. I went through a self imposed hell to come to this conclusion. I'd created an awful reality for myself because I'd believed this was just how things were, and could not be changed, and that I did not have free will, and that I was a slave to cause and effect, suffering is innate, decay is innate, duality is innate, etc etc.
None of this is true unless you believe it is true. Old habits die hard. And even that can be disproved if you choose 
Once you get on the vibe of unconditional love, you can start to really create.
Remove all limitations and create heaven.
Do you like to be put in a box? Do you think you can be easily defined by another person who takes a glance at one aspect of yourself from one angle and ties you in with a stereotype? No?
Then why would we try and put The universe, God, in all it's infinite potential, in a box?
The universe never told us anything was true. It always gave us a choice.
Everyone is always creating their own reality, but if they don't believe that they are, then they won't be. That's how it works.
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Re: Tha nature of reality: What do you think this place is? [Re: nooneman] 1
#28816159 - 06/17/24 10:23 AM (9 days, 14 hours ago) |
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nooneman said: The nature of reality is that matter is made up of atoms of various types that we generally categorize based on how many protons they have. Atoms are held together by the strong force, which is the nuclear force whose strength can be shown by the amount of energy you get from splitting the atom.
Electrons, which have a negative charge, orbit around the nucleus of atoms, and allow all sorts of cool things to happen like chemical bonds and electricity. Atoms have mass, and as a result they bend space around themselves, which creates gravity, which causes atoms to be attracted to each other in three dimensions. Eventually large groups of atoms have sufficient gravity that they form into things like planets and stars. Stars happen when you have so much gravity that it overcomes the strong force and begins fusing atoms together, which releases a ton of energy that you can see by the explosive force of the hydrogen bomb.
A lot of empty space ends up between these planets and stars, and if there is enough distance between a star and a rocky planet about the size of earth, then the planet may be in what we call the "habitable zone" which means that liquid water could form on its surface. If the planet's gravity, water content, and atmosphere are right, and if it is in the habitable zone of its star, then it's possible that chemical processes will occur that eventually create simple forms of life.
These simple forms of life evolve over billions of years into multicelled life, which eventually becomes all kinds of life, and if you're very very lucky, eventually intelligent life evolves. At first intelligent life is very stupid and superstitious and lives mainly in a state of nature, but over long periods of time it eventually dominates its environment and begins to learn and pass down knowledge.
Finally, this intelligent species invents electronics, computers, computer networking, and one day Ythan founds the Shroomery and someone posts "The nature of reality: what do you think this place is?"
Now try again, with your right hemisphere included in the conversation.
Unifying the polarities is essential, if you trace everything to it's logical conclusion (Right pole - Left hemisphere) you will find a paradox. How can existence itself be a paradox? That is the divine miracle. (Left pole - Right hemisphere)
If you are only operating from one pole at a time, you will be missing half of the information.
Edited by Trypto-Fan (06/17/24 10:39 AM)
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