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Speed up p. azurescens colonisation
#28366499 - 06/20/23 12:43 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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Hello. I was wondering if there are techniques to speed up psilocybe azurescens colonisation in sterilized alder wood saw? I learned that there is importance of oxygen for the growth of mycelium. I keep mycelium in the room, petri dishes and jars with small holes. Would putting them outdoors, in a well ventilated and lit place make a difference? Or direct sunlight can be bad for mycelium? Perhaps there can be symbiotic relationships with certains plants? After all, they produce oxygen.
Can adding vitamins or minerals help mycelium grow faster, yet not to promote growth of mold? Or does a wood saw contain all required nutrients?
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: sauroman1]
#28366664 - 06/20/23 06:07 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: JW123]
#28367056 - 06/20/23 12:06 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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So I found that azures love leaves and pine needles too. They also like lower PH, what acidity is optimal? Azurescens are native to the Pacific Northwest region, Oregon, have affinity for coastal dune grasses, so should I simulate such coastal conditions, perhaps winds there provide more oxygen and sea water certain needed minerals?
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: sauroman1]
#28367209 - 06/20/23 01:12 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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Are you trying to cultivate them outside? If so there is a ton of info in that thread I linked. I have a bed right now. I went spore >agar >grain >sterilized woodchips >outside to more woodchips. Then a layer of soil and random grass seed that grows at the edge of my woods.
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: JW123]
#28368199 - 06/21/23 05:41 AM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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No, currently indoors. Don't have plenty of mycelium for outdoors. Would azurescens grow faster outdoors? I tried using agar/malt extract petri dishes but all I got was mold growth. So instead use an autoclaved fresh alder wood saw.
Soil and grass seed aids azure growth?
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: sauroman1]
#28368206 - 06/21/23 05:51 AM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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I am just trying to mimic their environment the best I can. I would do some reading of holofractal's journal if I was going to try indoor growing. Here is a link. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Journal/451830
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: JW123]
#28384568 - 07/04/23 08:54 AM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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What about adding nutrients such as vitamins and minerals to wood substrate to speed up growth?
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: sauroman1] 1
#28384572 - 07/04/23 09:01 AM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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No such thing.
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28385745 - 07/05/23 08:45 AM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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Then what is ideal colonisation temperature? Can light help?
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: sauroman1]
#28785719 - 05/24/24 02:02 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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I have problem finding deciduous tree woodchips but I was able to find mixed deciduous/conifer woodchips I could take for free. How is conifer, pine tree wood bad for azures?
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Edited by sauroman1 (05/24/24 02:02 AM)
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: sauroman1] 1
#28785724 - 05/24/24 02:25 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: sauroman1]
#28785740 - 05/24/24 03:26 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28785728#28785728
Are you really replying to a 10-year-old thread because you don't like the answer? That's not how forums work, especially if it's to repeat the same question in the hope of bringing back a decade-old thrad
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There is a sea of posts in your link, don't have time to read every one of them. Besides it would be great to have updated information. So pine wood is bad for fungus due to sap?
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 1
#28785811 - 05/24/24 06:04 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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Why do you want to grow woodlovers if you don't even have the patience to look for information on the thread that already contains the answers to your questions? And why azurescens in particular? Because Paul Stamets raved about it?
To quote Stipe who also replied to you 10 months ago: Quote:
Stipe-n Cap said: If you're even capable of tending to your azure bed with sufficient care in the appropriate hardiness zone, you're still not going to flush nearly as much as you would from Psilocybe cyanescens. Cyanescens and allenii are very close in phylogeny, allenii was thought to be a variety of cyanescens, they both grow aggressively on softwood mulch and are essentially set and forget. I would doubt anyone's sanity if they complained about the lack of potency. Both are prolific fruiters and very easy to maintain.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28735010#28735010
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: sauroman1]
#28785815 - 05/24/24 06:10 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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sauroman1 said: I was once able to grow cubensis, like 20% success rate but later something happened and I did not use then SAB. I guess my house got heavily contaminated with mold or I got low quality spore prints.
Besides, with all due respect, if you have trouble with cubensis, I doubt you'll succeed with azzies.
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Simply I have too much business to read every post. So prefer fast and efficient information gathering.
wood lovers are much resilient to mold and bacteria contamination. Azures are also more potent and ideal for my country climate. Downside is that they grow more slowly that why I'm looking for latest findings to boost growth speed.
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: sauroman1] 1
#28785895 - 05/24/24 07:56 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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If you want things done fast, this is not the hobby for you. Just buy shrooms from your local drug dealer. Anything you do to "boost growth speed" will result in contamination.
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Thing about the process and time lines for growing is it still a time lime. The sooner you start the sooner it gets done. If you live long enough to see it fruit then you win, short cuts are messy, and risky azures are not more contamination resistant they just live naturally outside, lots of fresh air is very forgiving. I have to pressure cook grains for personal use twice a week, when contamination strikes I have to step up and do more to cover in the week, if you just one and done grows azures aren't for you, unless you find a bacth, transfer some wood in pacth to your patch . Now if you're super in a hurry I recommend after you get agar and clean cultures and make clean lc, that you then inject some lc into pf cakes that last in stable lids for up to a year, then when you need a fast break, slurry tek pf cakes 4 to 5 days colonized grain spawn jars. But it's a lot of prep work to get to that point of the speed up along the way.
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: sauroman1]
#28811592 - 06/13/24 09:15 AM (12 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Re: Speed up p. azurescens colonisation [Re: sauroman1]
#28811666 - 06/13/24 09:51 AM (12 days, 11 hours ago) |
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sauroman1 said: There is a sea of posts in your link, don't have time to read every one of them. Besides it would be great to have updated information. So pine wood is bad for fungus due to sap?
They misunderstand you and are not accustomed to the way you do things. I have many customer like you and you thought you were going to get a kit that was fit for you for that 100 bucks?

I know because doctor was my "fallback" job when it got bad for me and "have to work".

First off, you might as well just get the wine cooler in or the refrigerator dedicated and set up, because you aren't going to have very good luck at all even if you're in Maine, with indoor azure cultivation unless it's in a wine cooler
After you grow some inside then you can take those pans and make outdoor patch with them.
You need a kit that has every-single-piece-and-part that you will need in it, in a package pre-measured, with the instructions on it and phone support.
And that's what you are used to buying? But they are used to getting everything with their hands, including their money. Not many of us can really afford indoor cold grows to capacity.
If you had the kit that was made for you to do what you wanted it to do, you would have much better luck (and a wine cooler) but it sounds like - the spawn and the substrate is all wrong and wood eaters don't like a bunch of sugar and poo, they like wood sugar.
But that's why its fkd up. It was either the "buy one first and then refill and get clues" like many are sold or its one trying to get matetials that experience can use, economically. Niether of those are even on your radar.
I build kinocoriums and

that's pretty much exactly what you are thinking and need for indoor. Or time and many mistakes developing this art?
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