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How fucked is this tub?
    #28782517 - 05/21/24 01:18 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

It’s been 2 weeks exactly since I spawned this tub of penis envy uncut, just noticed today a spot of trich on the top layer (I accidentally spawned a tub with trich in the grain next to it that has been disposed of). I sprayed hydrogen peroxide which has worked in the past for surface contamination. Shouldn’t it have fruited by now? There’s no sign of knots or premordia I’m wondering if I just have too much overlay and if I should flip it over I hear that works.



The spot is where the discolouration is from the metabolites. That’s not web mold btw that’s fizz from the hydrogen peroxide I sprayed

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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: MushroomGoblin]
    #28782526 - 05/21/24 01:27 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: MushroomGoblin] * 1
    #28782529 - 05/21/24 01:28 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Trich before fruiting pretty much a death sentence. You could try cutting out the piece all the way to the bottom. Surface treatment like that will delay action on top but it'll keep doing it's thing under the surface.

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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: MushroomGoblin] * 2
    #28782546 - 05/21/24 01:38 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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It’s been 2 weeks exactly since I spawned this tub of penis envy uncut, just noticed today a spot of trich on the top layer (I accidentally spawned a tub with trich in the grain next to it that has been disposed of).




Nobody likes to hear it, but if the spawn was clean and fully colonized it cannot contaminate from outside forces at least for the first several flushes. That trich was in your spawn.


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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: MushroomGoblin]
    #28782550 - 05/21/24 01:39 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Yup lady is right, basically if you get trich that shit was in your spawn and you mixed it all over your tub, so it probably won't fruit

So basically it's turbo-fucked

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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: MushroomGoblin]
    #28782619 - 05/21/24 02:50 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

That’s funny, seems all the bags that I inoculated with spore syringe from sporeworks have been contaminated with trich. I’ve had much better luck with just getting LC off sporeswap. I’m gonna bury it RIP

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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: MushroomGoblin]
    #28782621 - 05/21/24 02:52 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I've had excellent success going spore to grain bag, but I don't think we're allowed to recommend vendors here. I really believe if you find a good vendor you're set.

Obviously it will cost more and you'll miss out on some fun parts of the hobby, but it's easy as shit

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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: wosbit] * 2
    #28782737 - 05/21/24 04:19 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Until you find that unicorn vendor that is meticulous about selling perfect syringes, it's best policy to assume all vendor products are contaminated (cuz they are) and test them first on agar plates. You will want this skill anyway to make your life easier and cheaper.


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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: LadysKnight]
    #28782867 - 05/21/24 05:52 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Thank you for everyone’s reply it’s much appreciated as a first time grower. Testing it on agar is a great idea I didn’t think of that. I got everything I need to clone and isolate. I wanted to try isolating based on potency by seeing which bruises the darkest, cloning, then taking spore prints of that generation and repeat. I’ll definitely keep y’all posted. If only I was friends with someone at a lab that could test tryptamine content :P

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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: MushroomGoblin]
    #28782872 - 05/21/24 05:56 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

For that purpose you may want to look into BRF pucks which you can shoot spores directly into. Just make a regular PF cake mix, and fill only a small fraction of a half pint jar with it. Shoot your stuff in then leave them to colonize and fruit. Bonus is you won't waste a whole lot of things if they go south.

Do everything agar though. Even the above tek is much, much easier and successful if you can germinate some stuff on agar and cut a few clean looking sections off to throw into the pucks.

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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: MrJong]
    #28782888 - 05/21/24 06:04 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I actually have another tub (I have 12 going on right now for my first grow lol) that has the same trich problem but it appears to have knots and premordia (it’s white rabbit strain btw). Should I let it fruit? It’d be badass if I could get a clone of that first mushroom for contam resistance genetics


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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: MrJong]
    #28782891 - 05/21/24 06:06 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Unfortunately this is my first grow which are all from syringes so I thought I needed to spawn a generation of mushrooms before I could start using agar with cloning and spore prints. Didn’t realise I could do it before to test for contam

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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: MushroomGoblin]
    #28782894 - 05/21/24 06:08 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

You could try to let it go through and fruit. You don't risk much having a moldy tub in your place unless we're talking some nasty pink shit or something. There's already so much trich in the air that a little more won't change a thing.

If that can get you some learning and experience by all means do it.

It looks like it might be able to fruit some stuff off before going out. Mycelium has a tendency to push out fruits as a final resort/emergency to survive predators.

Don't get your hopes up too much either, though. A lot of the time the trich is spread inside the cake and has already weakened the mycelium, so it might push out some shitty weak looking fruits. If at all.

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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: MrJong]
    #28782898 - 05/21/24 06:11 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Is it safe to consume any mushroom from a contam tub if it looks fine?

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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: MushroomGoblin]
    #28782901 - 05/21/24 06:13 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Most of the time, yes. Trich won't harm even if you shouldn't go out eating entire rocks of it. Some can definitely cause issues. For fruits that come from a heavily contam'd tub we often recommend to just boil them and make tea with it to be extra safe.

If the fruit looks completely fucked and rotten just toss it though. The smell, also.

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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: MrJong]
    #28782961 - 05/21/24 07:10 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Thank you mr. Jong

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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: MushroomGoblin] * 1
    #28783259 - 05/21/24 11:00 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

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That’s funny, seems all the bags that I inoculated with spore syringe from sporeworks have been contaminated with trich. I’ve had much better luck with just getting LC off sporeswap. I’m gonna bury it RIP



That most likely where your trich came from if it is indeed trich, never inject MSS into anything it is prone to failure. You should always put it to agar and clean it up before introducing to grains. Turning your sub over will not do anything but more likely kill it faster if it is savable, the only thing H202 will help with is cobweb mold and not always for sure cure. Trich is nasty sneaky shit and is impossible to get rid of once it starts taking over. The whole key is starting with clean spawn. There is actually trich in coco coir, but if your spawn is clean it will win out every time. Also LC should be treated like MSS unless you made it and are sure it is clean. Even if you did make it always test it on agar to be sure.


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Re: How fucked is this tub? [Re: meta_mmxxii]
    #28783668 - 05/22/24 09:37 AM (1 month, 4 days ago)

Only time I’ve had hydrogen peroxide successfully save a tub was when I have pinhead mould. Which im guessing just sits at the surface which is why you’re able to get rid of it. Theoretically, what were to happen if you spawned healthy grain but was only 90% colonised. How does contamination come into play in that scenario?

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