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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: Shroomadillo] 1
#28777020 - 05/16/24 10:43 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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That is a good idea. Most of the recommendations I found suggested skimming off foam and tossing it out. But that would be a waste of actives. So I have been accepting that some will be ugly but still active and saving the good ones for distributing.
In cooking there are often sacrificial pancakes.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28780910 - 05/20/24 05:22 AM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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How long does it usually take to dry them in a dehydrator with the element disconnected?
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: Shroomadillo] 1
#28780947 - 05/20/24 06:49 AM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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If you want clear gummies you have to skim the foam off, it happens as a reaction to the gelatin and is unavoidable.
When I make active thc or mush gummies I don't skim it off.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: mcnugget]
#28781166 - 05/20/24 11:15 AM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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mcnugget said: How long does it usually take to dry them in a dehydrator with the element disconnected?
24 to 48 hours in the desert where I live. Never tried it in a humid location, so I can't say for sure.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28781426 - 05/20/24 04:30 PM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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Hey Rev, This tek is incredible and I made some gummies for myself. However, I want to make some sugar free versions for diabetics. Do you have any idea how to do so while still maintaining the consistency that comes with using corn syrup?
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: Severance13]
#28781455 - 05/20/24 05:05 PM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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Hi Severance13 That is a far more complex question than it may seem. Sugar free and vegan candy are the two most common but tricky requests that I keep running across. Also gluten free, but that is a lot easier to accomplish in most candies.
Corn syrup or glucose are ideal for making gummies and other candies because the molecular structure does not lend itself to crystalizing which is important for texture and shelf stability.
I will link two articles that go into possible alternatives. But I will warn you that finding the right balance is a mixture of art and science and takes a LOT of experimenting. Not all of the alternatives in the articles are sugar free so keep that in mind as well. A couple of interesting ones that I want to play with are butter and cream. Apparently the fats also interrupt the crystallization of sugars.
https://candypros.com/blogs/make-gummy-candy/gummy-bear-ingredients-sweeteners-and-sugar-substitutes
https://food52.com/blog/25622-best-corn-syrup-substitutes
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: Severance13] 2
#28781776 - 05/20/24 08:48 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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So I'm not hijacking the thread here is how I made sugar free gummies last week. I'm still working on the recipe but this will get you really close.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: Bigworm]
#28781857 - 05/20/24 10:25 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Why do the gummies I made with the recipe taste like cheese.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: vicepope]
#28781912 - 05/21/24 01:10 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Don't add cheese?
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28781913 - 05/21/24 01:12 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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You can make honey gummies as well which is a better sugar free option than artificial sweetener.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28781986 - 05/21/24 04:26 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Rev, I think I might've actually found a decent recipe. Using your recipe minus the corn syrup and using a family size pack of sugar free jello, bloom the agar, gelatin, and jello in a separate half cup of cold water. Prep and reduce tea like in the original, mix all the acids and preservatives in the hot tea concentrate, then take tea off heat and mix in the bloomed ingredients. Add liquid stevia to taste. Wait until dissolved and clear, heating if necessary. Pour into sprayed molds. Let set and follow instructions for curing. I think it will work, I just gotta get some sugar free jello
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28781987 - 05/21/24 04:30 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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DERRAYLD said: You can make honey gummies as well which is a better sugar free option than artificial sweetener.
Bud, honey is 40% fructose and 30% glucose. That is not safe for diabetics. Also, the artificial sweetener fears are unfounded, since even the most vilified one, aspartame, has like 50 years of research looking into it, making it the most tested food additive on earth. Worst it's gonna do is make you get the squirts if you have too much. Not to mention stevia isn't artificial
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: Severance13]
#28781988 - 05/21/24 04:34 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Apologies, I just commented on sugar from a sweetener standpoint not from a diabetes standpoint.
Artificial sweetners are not good for you, I'm not terribly concerned about the squirts.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28786411 - 05/24/24 03:40 PM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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Great write up, I do mine slightly different I’m lazy so I just buy this mix off Amazon . https://a.co/d/3uxGDeJ
Then, for the extraction, I soak my material in Everclear overnight, squeeze out all the fiber, then evaporate the excess Everclear with a fan till I have the appropriate amount of liquid to add to this mixture
Cook as directed and enjoy
Have you ever tried the Everclear extraction instead of of making the tea for the liquid used
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: 99.99] 1
#28787544 - 05/25/24 12:58 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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Can I substitute beeswax for carnauba wax?
Edit: ChatGPT answered this one for me
Yes, carnauba wax is generally a better choice for medicinal gummies where preventing loss of potency due to oxygen or moisture is a concern. Here are the reasons why:
1. **Higher Melting Point**: Carnauba wax has a higher melting point, which makes it more stable and less likely to melt or become tacky at room temperature. This stability can help maintain the integrity of the gummies, especially in varying environmental conditions.
2. **Superior Barrier Properties**: Carnauba wax provides a harder and more impermeable coating compared to beeswax. This makes it more effective at forming a barrier against oxygen and moisture, which are critical factors in preserving the potency of medicinal ingredients.
3. **Durability**: The durability of carnauba wax means it is less likely to wear off during handling and storage, ensuring that the protective barrier remains intact for a longer period.
### Application Tips
To maximize the protective benefits of carnauba wax:
1. **Blend Properly**: Mix carnauba wax with a suitable oil, such as coconut oil or vegetable oil, to create a smooth coating. A common ratio is about 1 part carnauba wax to 2-3 parts oil. 2. **Melt Gently**: Melt the mixture gently over low heat, ensuring it is fully combined without overheating, which could degrade the medicinal compounds. 3. **Coat Evenly**: Toss the gummies in the warm wax mixture to ensure an even coating on all surfaces. 4. **Cool Completely**: Allow the coated gummies to cool completely on a parchment-lined baking sheet. The coating will harden as it cools, forming a protective barrier.
### Summary
Carnauba wax is a superior choice for coating medicinal gummies due to its higher melting point, better barrier properties, and greater durability compared to beeswax. This makes it more effective at protecting the medicinal ingredients from oxygen and moisture, thereby helping to preserve their potency.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: Mycodemus]
#28789470 - 05/27/24 12:26 AM (30 days, 19 hours ago) |
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If you can't find carnuba or beeswax then use shellac, it's widely available.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28792037 - 05/29/24 05:44 AM (28 days, 14 hours ago) |
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Thanks, I got some carnauba. I’m going to try mixing it 1:2 with MCT oil for the coating.
Quick question, I am using powdered unflavored gelatin and drink cordial (which is meant to be diluted 1:4 with water to make a juice drink) instead of jello. How should I change the recipe to accommodate? Also, I’d like to do a dry run first to practice. Do I add more water to compensate for the missing tea?
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: Mycodemus] 1
#28792250 - 05/29/24 10:31 AM (28 days, 9 hours ago) |
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I think that 1:2 is way too rich. The recipes that I use call for 2 g carnauba wax flakes to 38 g grape seed oil (or other vegetable oil). That makes a lot more than you will need, but it is easier to weigh and measure on the macro scale and you can save the left overs in the fridge for ages.
Yes, definitely use the same volume of water in place of the tea for a practice run. So for 3/4 cup reduced and chilled tea, use 3/4 cup chilled water.
I am not familiar with the drink flavoring, but would think that for a flavorful candy that it shouldn't be diluted more than 1:2. My thinking is that the candy should have a stronger flavor than juice. However, other recipes use real fruit juice, so you could just use the same ratio as the drink recipe for a milder taste experience.
Be sure to let us know how it goes.
I just got an AeroPress that I am excited to try out for improving the texture of my tea on the next runs. Hoping that it leads to better clarity and colour of the candy. Makes pretty good coffee, too.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: ReverendMyc] 1
#28792641 - 05/29/24 05:10 PM (28 days, 3 hours ago) |
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ReverendMyc said: I think that 1:2 is way too rich. The recipes that I use call for 2 g carnauba wax flakes to 38 g grape seed oil (or other vegetable oil). That makes a lot more than you will need, but it is easier to weigh and measure on the macro scale and you can save the left overs in the fridge for ages.
Yes, definitely use the same volume of water in place of the tea for a practice run. So for 3/4 cup reduced and chilled tea, use 3/4 cup chilled water.
I am not familiar with the drink flavoring, but would think that for a flavorful candy that it shouldn't be diluted more than 1:2. My thinking is that the candy should have a stronger flavor than juice. However, other recipes use real fruit juice, so you could just use the same ratio as the drink recipe for a milder taste experience.
Be sure to let us know how it goes.
I just got an AeroPress that I am excited to try out for improving the texture of my tea on the next runs. Hoping that it leads to better clarity and colour of the candy. Makes pretty good coffee, too.
Thanks for the tips! Much appreciated. How much plain gelatin should I use in total? 1:2 cordial:water sounds like a good plan, I’m sure it’ll be a very strong fruit flavor (I’m using black currant cordial for this batch). Do I count the tea as part of the water in that ratio? I’ll be making notes of the process so I’ll certainly update in here as well 
Hm , that makes me wonder if I should make the tea in my French press? The fruits are dried but whole. (Uh huh huh huh you said butt hole)
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: Mycodemus] 1
#28792663 - 05/29/24 05:28 PM (28 days, 2 hours ago) |
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Huh huh, butthole.
I am using 50g gelatin for 180ml or 3/4 cup tea. And yes, the tea replaces water in the recipe. You don't want to add any more liquid to the goo or it won't want to set up. If that happens, you can just keep adding gelatin to fix it.
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