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In the topic of integration I thought of these passages in the Manual under 4. What Are the Characteristics of God’s Teachers? (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/805 | M-4)
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I. Trust
1. This is the foundation on which their ability to fulfill their function rests. ²Perception is the result of learning. ³In fact, perception is learning, because cause and effect are never separated. ⁴The teachers of God have trust in the world, because they have learned it is not governed by the laws the world made up. ⁵It is governed by a power that is in them but not of them. ⁶It is this power that keeps all things safe. ⁷It is through this power that the teachers of God look on a forgiven world.
2. When this power has once been experienced, it is impossible to trust one’s own petty strength again. ²Who would attempt to fly with the tiny wings of a sparrow when the mighty power of an eagle has been given him? ³And who would place his faith in the shabby offerings of the ego when the gifts of God are laid before him? ⁴What is it that induces them to make the shift?
A. Development of Trust
3. First, they must go through what might be called “a period of undoing.” ²This need not be painful, but it usually is so experienced. ³It seems as if things are being taken away, and it is rarely understood initially that their lack of value is merely being recognized. ⁴How can lack of value be perceived unless the perceiver is in a position where he must see things in a different light? ⁵He is not yet at a point at which he can make the shift entirely internally. ⁶And so the plan will sometimes call for changes in what seem to be external circumstances. ⁷These changes are always helpful. ⁸When the teacher of God has learned that much, he goes on to the second stage.
4. Next, the teacher of God must go through “a period of sorting out.” ²This is always somewhat difficult because, having learned that the changes in his life are always helpful, he must now decide all things on the basis of whether they increase the helpfulness or hamper it. ³He will find that many, if not most of the things he valued before will merely hinder his ability to transfer what he has learned to new situations as they arise. ⁴Because he has valued what is really valueless, he will not generalize the lesson for fear of loss and sacrifice. ⁵It takes great learning to understand that all things, events, encounters and circumstances are helpful. ⁶It is only to the extent to which they are helpful that any degree of reality should be accorded them in this world of illusion. ⁷The word “value” can apply to nothing else.
5. The third stage through which the teacher of God must go can be called “a period of relinquishment.” ²If this is interpreted as giving up the desirable, it will engender enormous conflict. ³Few teachers of God escape this distress entirely. ⁴There is, however, no point in sorting out the valuable from the valueless unless the next obvious step is taken. ⁵Therefore, the period of overlap is apt to be one in which the teacher of God feels called upon to sacrifice his own best interests on behalf of truth. ⁶He has not realized as yet how wholly impossible such a demand would be. ⁷He can learn this only as he actually does give up the valueless. ⁸Through this, he learns that where he anticipated grief, he finds a happy lightheartedness instead; where he thought something was asked of him, he finds a gift bestowed on him.
6. Now comes “a period of settling down.” ²This is a quiet time, in which the teacher of God rests a while in reasonable peace. ³Now he consolidates his learning. ⁴Now he begins to see the transfer value of what he has learned. ⁵Its potential is literally staggering, and the teacher of God is now at the point in his progress at which he sees in it his whole way out. ⁶“Give up what you do not want, and keep what you do.” ⁷How simple is the obvious! ⁸And how easy to do! ⁹The teacher of God needs this period of respite. ¹⁰He has not yet come as far as he thinks. ¹¹Yet when he is ready to go on, he goes with mighty companions beside him. ¹²Now he rests a while, and gathers them before going on. ¹³He will not go on from here alone.
7. The next stage is indeed “a period of unsettling.” ²Now must the teacher of God understand that he did not really know what was valuable and what was valueless. ³All that he really learned so far was that he did not want the valueless, and that he did want the valuable. ⁴Yet his own sorting out was meaningless in teaching him the difference. ⁵The idea of sacrifice, so central to his own thought system, had made it impossible for him to judge. ⁶He thought he learned willingness, but now he sees that he does not know what the willingness is for. ⁷And now he must attain a state that may remain impossible to reach for a long, long time. ⁸He must learn to lay all judgment aside, and ask only what he really wants in every circumstance. ⁹Were not each step in this direction so heavily reinforced, it would be hard indeed!
8. And finally, there is “a period of achievement.” ²It is here that learning is consolidated. ³Now what was seen as merely shadows before become solid gains, to be counted on in all “emergencies” as well as tranquil times. ⁴Indeed, the tranquility is their result; the outcome of honest learning, consistency of thought and full transfer. ⁵This is the stage of real peace, for here is Heaven’s state fully reflected. ⁶From here, the way to Heaven is open and easy. ⁷In fact, it is here. ⁸Who would “go” anywhere, if peace of mind is already complete? ⁹And who would seek to change tranquility for something more desirable? ¹⁰What could be more desirable than this?
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Re: Line of Sight [Re: syncro]
#28779042 - 05/18/24 06:40 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Yes I believe that the workbook helps to instigate this process/development in a way that means "no turning back."
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Blue Cthulhu said: ^ I especially like the one from Hong Zicheng. The idea that remembrance of the true Master automatically reorients all the emergent attributes so that they function harmoniously.
Also, nice synchronicity, I’m reading one of the Seth Books right now and he’s talking about how our beliefs form our reality, by actualizing into physical experience out of those probabilistic events:
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All of your present experience was drawn from probable reality. During your life, any event must come through your creaturehood, with the built-in time recognition that is so largely a part of your neurological structure; so usually there is a lag, a lapse in time, during which dess your beliefs cause material actualization. When you try to change your convictions in order to change your experience, you also have to first stop the momentum that you have already built up, so to speak. You are changing the messages while the body is used to reacting smoothly, unquestioningly, to a certain set of beliefs.
There is a steady even flow in which conscious activity through upe the neurological structure brings about events, and a familar patem of reaction is established. When you alter these conscious beliefs through effort, then a period of time is necessary while the structure learns to adjust to the new preferred situation. If beliefs are changed overnight, comparatively less time is required.
In a manner of speaking, each belief can be seen as a powerful station, pulling to it from fields of probabilities only those signals to which it is attuned, and blocking out all others. When you set up a new as station there may be some static or bleed-through from an old one for a while.
Any ability you have, then, can be "brought in more clearly" amplified, and become practical rather than probable. But in such a case you must concentrate upon the attribute - not, for example, upon the fact that you have not used it well thus far.
Talking about synchronicity, I received the following book a little while back. I started in it, but haven't gotten very far yet.

After reading 'The Secret of the Golden Flower', and seeing your quote here, my interest is renewed in picking it up again.
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Re: Line of Sight [Re: spinvis]
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Nice! I think you’ll enjoy it. I took my time reading through it starting approx. a year ago, and am currently on the second book after that one.
I found it very nicely expanded my mind. And that’s coming from someone who thought they had exhausted all the occult spiritual ideas out there and was getting bored…
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Gotta like his humor. Not having read the book I mean mostly from other sources.
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CHAPTER 1
I DO NOT HAVE A PHYSICAL BODY, YET I AM WRITING THIS BOOK
You have heard of ghost hunters. I can quite literally be called a ghost writer, though I do not approve of the term "ghost."
I don't know why I never read this as I enjoyed other materials on Seth. First page is catching. I believe I'm in.
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It is true that I am usually not seen in physical terms. I do not like the word "spirit," either; and yet if your definition of that word implies the idea of a personality without a physical body, then I would have to agree that the description fits me. I address an unseen audience. However, I know that my readers exist, and therefore I shall ask each of them, now, to grant me the same Privilege.
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My readers may suppose that they are physical creatures, bound within physical bodies, imprisoned within bone, flesh, and skin. If you believe that your existence is dependent upon this corporeal image, then you feel in danger of extinction, for no physical form lasts, and no body, however beautiful in youth, retains the same vigor and enchantment in old age. If you identify with your own youth, or beauty, or intel- lect, or accomplishments, then there is the constant gnawing knowledge that these attributes can and will vanish. I am writing this book to assure you that this is not the case. Basically you are no more of a physical being than I am, and I have donned and discarded more bodies than I care to tell. Personalities who do not exist do not write books. I am quite independent of a physical image, and so are you. Consciousness creates form. It is not the other way around. All personalities are not physical. It is only because you are so busily concerned with daily matters that you do not realize that there is a portion of you who knows that its own powers are far superior to those shown by the ordinary self.
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Re: Line of Sight [Re: syncro]
#28781401 - 05/20/24 04:05 PM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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I was asking before how many beings we are, referring to the gut biome. I wasn't considering what Seth brings up which is all cells of the body, some 37 trillion "conscious cells that carry within themselves the realization of their own identity, that cooperate willingly to form the corporeal structure that is your physical body."
His description of the inner ego is unique to me which knows intimately and with clarity the physiology, though I have heard of experiences seeing with profound clarity in light, the body within, organs, cells.
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Yeah the timing of my discovery of his books was synchronistic, as I was trying to unravel through debate the question of: "is there an objective universe 'out there' outside our individual selves," with someone coming from a very materialist standpoint.
Seth really helped clarify how the physical universe is both my own individual creation through my mind, but also the result of countless creations from other beings (bodily cells included, as well as the atoms and subatomic particles, even). In other words, it is a co-creation, but our individual experience will always have the shape of our own individual mind.
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His sense of humor is really cheeky.
One time I smoked some salvia and had this sense that I could connect with any being I wanted simply by thinking of them and "calling" them, in a sense. So, since I had been reading Seth that day, I decided to try to call him and have a direct interaction, by feeling my way into his unique feeling-tones/vibration.
What happened next was, (and this is with eyes closed), a shape sort of "popped out" from my field of vision (kind of like those magic pictures from the 90s), and it was Seth appearing as this humongous Fisher Price toy man with a hard hat on, like a very playful and humorous child's toy appearance
(kind of like this)
But... I tell you, he had the most ANCIENT sense about him. And furthermore, I could sense that he was a conglomeration of souls that had unified as one gigantic, larger entity. Kind of like the Power Rangers teaming up to form the Megazord. A strange, surprising experience. I could feel his humor while also teaching me something about the nature of his self.
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I was just observing two converging planes of spacetime, replete with the light emitted from their source objects being dematerialized, departicalizing, and each plane contracting so as to coalesce with an in-between middle point which appeared anciently far away, one that behaved like I would imagine a black hole would; the actuality of the transformation of matter, energy flowing beholden to no one or nothing yet everything cannot be without it and so all's with it; or, rather, somehow, is it.
too difficult to convey with my poor proficiency with english in general, but, even without being able to properly explain it, it was experienced.
apologies if off-topic, this thread i randomly had open, and when i came to from the above dreamy psychedelic vision, i figured i may as well get some of it out asap so as to be able to draw it with some references via my vague descriptions at some later date. anywho, carry on!
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Re: Secrets of the Occult documentary series [Re: The Blind Ass]
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God is Germanic word. Doesn't tie to other religions that have different vision. And the Germanic existence...
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The Blind Ass said: I was just observing two converging planes of spacetime, replete with the light emitted from their source objects being dematerialized, departicalizing, and each plane contracting so as to coalesce with an in-between middle point which appeared anciently far away, one that behaved like I would imagine a black hole would; the actuality of the transformation of matter, energy flowing beholden to no one or nothing yet everything cannot be without it and so all's with it; or, rather, somehow, is it.
Sounds captivating! (in more way than one). Reminds me of visions I've had of the Void as the tiniest little dot, so tiny and far away and yet having unfathomable power.
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Reading just now from the book and your post Blind Ass, it is remarkably similar to how Seth Speaks. pun
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Re: Line of Sight [Re: syncro]
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Your line of sight should be a maximum extension without blocks or barriers..
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This book is engaging. So much confirmed and potential, the almost spiritualist afterlife channeling theme, but by a very old and advanced personality, though he doesn't speak as a master in urging on to absolute freedom from sufferings, that I've seen in the first couple chapters, but in the liveliness of engagement for the sake of helping and teaching, yes, but in the adventure itself, post dukkha, or beyond its importance in oneself.
It is not something excluded in other teachings, but the effect is emphasis on profound discovery of yet untapped mind natures, the brightness of that life itself diminishes the emphasis on the burden of ego's dukkha, like this is too much fun and interesting to worry so much about dukkha - that in itself diminishes dukkha - life, light, power, creativity.
The mood also bolsters creative willingness here in this world, in what needs to be done, as it's all the same. We are creating it.
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Re: Line of Sight [Re: syncro]
#28782098 - 05/21/24 07:49 AM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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You put it very well, syncro. The tone of the books always has a lightness to it that is encouraging of never ending curiosity, exploration, and adventure. Rather than escaping or transcending a polluted world.
When he discusses traversing different levels of reality, he does mention that it is necessary to be able to move beyond the good/evil duality. That otherwise, the other planes of reality easily become terrifying. For instance, beliefs in evil, sin, demons, and Hell will easily lead one to experience these things on the “astral plane” (my term, not sure he ever uses that one exactly).
So, it seems that background in training through ACIM is invaluable, helping one to reframe all experience in helpful ways so as not to get caught in a self-created Hell realm of (seemingly) infinite torture
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There is a dichotomy of moods, say, 'seek ye first' which is serious and uncompromising in aim, and then the adventure of sovereignty that is inevitable. But the latter is the fruit of the former which is the source of all of it, the power, freedom, peace.
Although for a time they can appear dichotomous, I think they are unified in the greatest sense. It's odd to think that a (spiritual) discipline can seem to tie one down and be a burden for the wayward, though its fruit is sovereignty unmatched in the world. It is like a child caught in a net, and doesn't understand they need to be still to have it removed, unknotted and cut, but the aim for the child was only freedom.
It's funny, on the other hand, to divide seek ye first from sovereignty. I pictured a zen master of sorts, sitting in his absolute, and he was laughing, and I caught why, at them being something different. Not that I caught why in concept per se, but in the exhilarant.
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Re: Line of Sight [Re: syncro]
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When we know that we are safe, then we are free to play as children do
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What happens to a thought when it leaves your conscious mind? It does not simply disappear. You can learn to follow it, but you are usually frightened of turning your attention away from its intense focus in three-dimensional existence. Therefore, it seems that the thought disappears. It seems also that your subjectivity has a mysterious unknown quality about it, and that even your mental life has a sort of insidious dropping-off point, a subjective cliff over which thoughts and memories fall, to disappear into nothingness. Therefore to protect yourself, to protect your subjectivity from drifting, you erect various psychological barriers at what you suppose to be the danger points. Instead, you see, you can follow these thoughts and emotions simply by realizing that your own reality continues in another direction, beside the one with which you mainly identify. For these thoughts and emotions that have left your conscious mind will lead you into other environments.
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Re: Line of Sight [Re: syncro]
#28783388 - 05/22/24 01:49 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Thoughts are a type of matter that is softer in density than physical reality/matter.
Thoughts are attracted to magic, and any thought can turn into anything at all..
Via alchemy of mind than turns into mind over matter.
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Re: Line of Sight [Re: syncro]
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syncro said:
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What happens to a thought when it leaves your conscious mind? It does not simply disappear. You can learn to follow it, but you are usually frightened of turning your attention away from its intense focus in three-dimensional existence. Therefore, it seems that the thought disappears. It seems also that your subjectivity has a mysterious unknown quality about it, and that even your mental life has a sort of insidious dropping-off point, a subjective cliff over which thoughts and memories fall, to disappear into nothingness. Therefore to protect yourself, to protect your subjectivity from drifting, you erect various psychological barriers at what you suppose to be the danger points. Instead, you see, you can follow these thoughts and emotions simply by realizing that your own reality continues in another direction, beside the one with which you mainly identify. For these thoughts and emotions that have left your conscious mind will lead you into other environments.
Goes very well with the ACIM idea of infinite extension.
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