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Are robots the future?
    #28781472 - 05/20/24 05:24 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

When I was young in the 80's I wondered why robots were so hard to build. Battery density. Degree of autonomy. Gyroscopes. Intelligence. Motor density probably. Those things have to some degree been addressed and will likely continue to improve. There are currently dozens of companies focused on AI driven robotics. All human looking except for the dogbot. Doing chores. Chatting. Completing obstacle courses. Doing flips. Stitching wounds. Cars are turning into robots. One day there may be a real Transformer walking around making quippy converation.

Some of these companies have not entered the market yet but are coming soon. Five years from now, how common do you think it will be to see robots? 10 years?

Will there be robocops? Imagine a cop that can without bias observe breach of law and intercede. A city of robocops is a safe city.

Will there be robopets? Imagine an intelligent autonomously mobile cute cuddly teddy bear to keep kids company and teach them to play chess and a thousand other things. Always there to give a hug and provide encouragement.

Will everyone at a certain income have a personal assistant doing all the chores? Making sandwiches and getting beer from the fridge?


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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: Rahz]
    #28781518 - 05/20/24 05:56 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

I would also feel safer with perfect AI cops who don’t have emotional issues drives to bully and are just embodiment of  the law. Just the law in physical form with no bias.

I’ve thought of robo pets too ‘cause then they would live forever. But I need my pets to have a soul and I don’t think AI can just spontaneously produce a soul once it gets to a certain level of complexity.

I’m really not afraid of AI coming to life and taking over. But yes ever growing complex AI and automation is most certainly the future.

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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: robhr]
    #28781546 - 05/20/24 06:16 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

I don't think AI can have a soul but children wouldn't need it to be "real" to benefit from it as an educational playmate. Point taken though.

Not so much afraid as not sure, and supposing that some outcomes are better than others.


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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: Rahz]
    #28781552 - 05/20/24 06:21 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

It’s true I’ve actually explored the idea of AI teddy bears as well it would be neat.

I don’t think it can just grow a soul but just a little thought experiment here. If theoretically the soul resides in the pineal gland, what if we grow an organic pineal gland and attach it to a mechanical brain? I still don’t think we would need to be afraid of it, we are the ones to design the brain and we just don’t give it the ability to do anything scary. Don’t let it have a physical humanoid presence only exist in computer land.

I think that would be neat.

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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: robhr]
    #28781564 - 05/20/24 06:28 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

it wont need a pineal gland to have a soul, I mean if we have one, and that is debatable


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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28781567 - 05/20/24 06:29 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

no they aren't, that's feeding into a disaster for those who think of other wise.  Just as the big bang, a little fuzz ball into that which controls that electric buzz...


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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28781631 - 05/20/24 07:13 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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it wont need a pineal gland to have a soul, I mean if we have one, and that is debatable




What makes you think it wouldn’t need a pineal gland?

If you want to have this discussion all scientific instead of all hippy dippy we can refer to it as a consciousnesses.

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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: robhr]
    #28781656 - 05/20/24 07:35 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Oddly worded question imo.

Are robots the future? Not completely, but, more or less?  Yes.

Are robots and other social-life-enhancing tech already as much part of reality as me or you or any other human being alive in the present?  Yes.

Will the furthering of work involved with developing, manufacturing, and implementing robotics, ai, and cybernetics, and all other forms of such tech continue manifest such that they, in some form, or various aspects about them become more apparent to us in our everyday lives?  Almost certainly.

They're useful in so many ways.  So of course their usage will almost certainly grow more widespread over time. 

Not that I'm very fond of some of the ways that humans use what we have of it now, and I'm almost positive that I'll continue not to like the spell of antisocialness that's spreading like wild fire amongst us, no imaginary class or group excluded, all human beings are subject to it because tech is awesome at what it does, but its not so awesome at what it can't do, and can't ever do - replace the treasure of intimate bonds between human beings; one's requiring experiencing life together through thick and thin to form appreciable human relationships.

But, some of us seem so blinded that the call to advance despite ignoring what of the reality that we may miss while we're marching by, or through, while on our way 'forwards' to technofreedom. 

And who can say what awaits us 'there' , when anyone literally just awake - not in some political sense - i mean simply a non sleeping human being who isn't completely delusional - can see we need to tend to our own planet and its inhabitants; all the better if tech and advances in true harmony with that; however, that, I do not see happening, not really. 

Truth is, I see the end of humanity as we've known it in the modern age in the first world as soon to come to an end, probably - I figure it must be obvious for most anyone else too.  I see that as clearly as I can see my own hands while typing this to you.  The disregard for life and the planet is literally a living nightmare to bare with at times. I've truly done my best in that regard in the last 10 years, to not fuck it up and do some good; and I know many others have too, but its simply not enough, it just isn't.  Couple that with the fact that if we would simply cooperate with one another and realize that, aside from some minor genetic differences, the only real, well, not even truly real, but, seemingly 'real-enough' difference so many have is the completely hallucinated scenery running through our imaginary mind(s) then we could ...bah...I'm rambling.

carry on with the skynet and all that, maybe it'll magically be used like for the true greater good of everyone or something, idk.


all hail skynet-ubicomp.
replete with robots-drones with operators from afar when shit really hits the fan.
its going to be great. :thumbup:

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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28781689 - 05/20/24 07:57 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

I have no strong predictions about it, but the gist of the question is whether they will be omni-present in the somewhat near future?

People have quit buying a new phone every year so the market want's to go somewhere. :laugh:

There are lots of good uses for them. Transformative. But as I said some outcomes better than others. Robotics paired with AI is potentially dangerous in so much as humans are.

But I did focus on the lighter aspects of it in the OP :smile:


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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28781778 - 05/20/24 08:55 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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no they aren't, that's feeding into a disaster for those who think of other wise.  Just as the big bang, a little fuzz ball into that which controls that electric buzz...



how does a fuzzball control anything, go ahead, speculate.


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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: robhr]
    #28781782 - 05/20/24 09:02 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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robhr said:
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If you want to have this discussion all scientific instead of all hippy dippy we can refer to it as a consciousnesses.



yeah, well,
I think it is possible in a machine to produce the experience of life, which I believe is a rich sensory feed and the continuum of making new memories and having perceptive reflexes from familiar sensed and imagined cues.
less than 10 years.
free walking and conscious machines
maybe with legal autonomous rights in 20 years.

in 1987 I told my then girlfriend that cars will drive themselves by 2000, and I think I was off by 10 years.

in 1993 I told my daughters that in 15 years they will have powerful computers in their pockets.

stuff always gets tangled up but these estimates were close.


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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28781903 - 05/21/24 12:42 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
Quote:

robhr said:
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If you want to have this discussion all scientific instead of all hippy dippy we can refer to it as a consciousnesses.



yeah, well,
I think it is possible in a machine to produce the experience of life, which I believe is a rich sensory feed and the continuum of making new memories and having perceptive reflexes from familiar sensed and imagined cues.
less than 10 years.
free walking and conscious machines
maybe with legal autonomous rights in 20 years.

in 1987 I told my then girlfriend that cars will drive themselves by 2000, and I think I was off by 10 years.

in 1993 I told my daughters that in 15 years they will have powerful computers in their pockets.

stuff always gets tangled up but these estimates were close.




Strongly disagree. I think what we need to do after all that big talk is make a bet.

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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28781908 - 05/21/24 12:47 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Robot taxis?

Robot waiters?

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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28781967 - 05/21/24 03:49 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Will Robots make humans lazier?

Will they make things easier or more difficult?

Are they the next step of evolution? 

What comes after Robots?

So many questions so little time ...


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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #28781997 - 05/21/24 04:49 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

i look forward to virtual reality and robot therapists

one could make the Best time with virtual reality maybe
And maybe keep making it better


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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: robhr]
    #28782013 - 05/21/24 05:33 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Quote:

robhr said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
Quote:

robhr said:
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If you want to have this discussion all scientific instead of all hippy dippy we can refer to it as a consciousnesses.



yeah, well,
I think it is possible in a machine to produce the experience of life, which I believe is a rich sensory feed and the continuum of making new memories and having perceptive reflexes from familiar sensed and imagined cues.
less than 10 years.
free walking and conscious machines
maybe with legal autonomous rights in 20 years.

in 1987 I told my then girlfriend that cars will drive themselves by 2000, and I think I was off by 10 years.

in 1993 I told my daughters that in 15 years they will have powerful computers in their pockets.

stuff always gets tangled up but these estimates were close.




Strongly disagree. I think what we need to do after all that big talk is make a bet.



no need for me to bet, I have other amusements.


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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28783152 - 05/21/24 08:57 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Sex with a sexy AI...!

Potentially huge industry in the future..

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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: Rahz]
    #28785461 - 05/23/24 07:31 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

I hope the government taxes the piss out of robots... like the government taxes us or I guess the owners of said robots, to start.


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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #28787595 - 05/25/24 01:46 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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When I was young in the 80's I wondered why robots were so hard to build. Battery density. Degree of autonomy. Gyroscopes. Intelligence. Motor density probably. Those things have to some degree been addressed and will likely continue to improve. There are currently dozens of companies focused on AI driven robotics. All human looking except for the dogbot. Doing chores. Chatting. Completing obstacle courses. Doing flips. Stitching wounds. Cars are turning into robots. One day there may be a real Transformer walking around making quippy converation.

Some of these companies have not entered the market yet but are coming soon. Five years from now, how common do you think it will be to see robots? 10 years?

Will there be robocops? Imagine a cop that can without bias observe breach of law and intercede. A city of robocops is a safe city.

Will there be robopets? Imagine an intelligent autonomously mobile cute cuddly teddy bear to keep kids company and teach them to play chess and a thousand other things. Always there to give a hug and provide encouragement.

Will everyone at a certain income have a personal assistant doing all the chores? Making sandwiches and getting beer from the fridge?




First guess is: By human design, engineering, or programming? No
Reason: Moravec's Paradox

However,
by AI design, engineering, and programming? This increases the likelihood significantly IMO. NVIDIA has an entire team trying to figure out how to take the capabilities of AI and "embody" it. I think of this not as building a robot and placing AI into a robot. But rather, creating a simulated Earth environment in which AI can test freely different forms, motions, reinforcement loops and explore team building.

Even the early LLMs were pretty darn good at this. But now the LLMs are a different beast all together. And as a result, so too are the simulations and the capabilities. The next version of Chat GPT is (IMO) unfortunately looking to be another exponential leap in compute as well, meaning exponential growth in capabilities when they are already frighteningly good.

What I think prevents robotics, if anything, is the pace of change. Even if one were to allow software updates into a static hardware build, it's very likely that AI will design superior hardware mere months down the road. And when producing mass scale robotics is a HUGE financial investment, no one wants to be obsolete mere months down the road. And ultimately there is no good indication that a physical (robotic) footprint is desirable for super intelligence, and so may never be necessary.


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Re: Are robots the future? [Re: Kickle]
    #28787613 - 05/25/24 02:10 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

I don't think the next wave of products will be widespread but will still establish a presence in culture. People who can afford utility robots will be happy to pay for the upgrade. In commercial applications only so much advancement is needed to justify expense. And of course, in military applications a product now might be better than a more advanced product in the future.

But I think you're right. Things will really take off when AI is making higher level engineering decisions. 5 years? 10 years?

Why do you call ChatGPT's advancement unfortunate?


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