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Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil
#2877767 - 07/11/04 10:04 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fox TV News: Recent poll finds 40% of Canada's teenagers believe the USA to be an evil influence in the world.
Fox robots made me laugh by saying that is was because Fox News was not shown in Canada and blamed the attitude all on the media. "If only we could tell them how great Bush is (over and over and over again) and how evil Arabs are, then these screwed up kids could see the light."
Unlike many of the drones here who will chime in "Fuck Canada", I think this requires a little more in-depth investigation and soul-searching.
"Might" may certainly "make right", but it doesn't make one's actions morally and ethically grounded. This negative perceptual reflection certainly tells America how other's view her.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Swami]
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Probably around the same percentage as American youths.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Swami]
#2878761 - 07/11/04 04:29 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've been thinking about all the hatred of Americans I'm seeing in the news and on the internet and recently thought of the huge nuclear arsonal the USA has built up during the arms race with the Soviet Union. I don't think much effort has been made to reduce this stockpile. I believe the USA has enough nuclear weapons to destroy all life on earth, so I was thinking, how could I get my country to launch all the nuclear weapons and destroy the entire human race? I don't think I could be elected president, so maybe if I got together with some other people we could possibly take over the whitehouse, take the president prisoner before most of the country discovered what was going on, torture the president and get him to give us the codes and the procedures which would allow us to launch all the nuclear missiles from the silos, launch the planes and missiles from the submarines and destroy everything on earth. That way there would be no one left to hate anyone. Death before dishonor I always say. We were ready to do this with the Soviet Union before it fell. Better dead than red as they say.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Ed1]
#2878778 - 07/11/04 04:31 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Er...double post...
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Swami]
#2878798 - 07/11/04 04:34 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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"...at a time when even when you cross the Canadian border you meet an awful lot of people who think the number one rogue nation in the world today is the United States of America!" -- Jello Biafra
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Swami]
#2880182 - 07/11/04 11:25 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am Canadian.
I am 19.
What America (Bush) is doing to the world is horrendous. That is all.
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Tasty_Smurf_House said: I am Canadian.
I am 19.
What America (Bush) is doing to the world is horrendous. That is all.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Swami]
#2880341 - 07/12/04 12:05 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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The current US govt is of course a horrid influence on humanity, but its not so simple....
the problem is, the US tends to get pegged as the progenitor of all the world's ills because they tend to be involved in most of the problems, but they shouldnt be made to bear all of the guilt.
current global conflicts are created by a number of actors, not by one. Britain, France, Israel, various arab states, N. Korea, China. All of these groups of elite governments deserve to share part of the blame. The US gets blamed for all because they are the most easily identifiable, and come under the most scrutiny, and thus get the most bad press and attention.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Positronius]
#2881203 - 07/12/04 04:12 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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We know North Korea and various arab nations are evil. Also: how was this poll conducted? because my answer to the following questons are all different: 1-"Do you think George Bush is evil?" 2-"Do you think George Bush is good or evil?" 3-"pick a word to describe George Bush" 4-"do you think the American government is evil?" 5-"do you think the average American is evil?"
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Swami]
#2881245 - 07/12/04 05:01 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Canadian youth doesn't realize that they're cutting off their nose to spite their face.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Innvertigo]
#2881328 - 07/12/04 06:49 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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> The Canadian youth doesn't realize that they're cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Whent he nose grows cancerous, you gotta do what you gotta do...
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Seuss]
#2881333 - 07/12/04 06:54 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whether you want to admit it or not, Canada depends on trade with the US, more than we depend on them. I have no problem with them having issues with the Government but calling America evil is a nice way of alienating yourself from American markets that are run by the same Americans many are calling evil. edit: besides, it seems that it's always been 40% that are mad at our government.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Innvertigo]
#2881522 - 07/12/04 09:10 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/rankings/crudebycountry.htm
It seems the US depends on Canada for a rather large amount of oil.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: newuser1492]
#2881690 - 07/12/04 10:15 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oil isn't everything. I think we could adapt. I doubt Canada could.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Swami]
#2881696 - 07/12/04 10:18 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Recent poll finds 40% of Canada's teenagers believe the USA to be an evil influence in the world.

and i thought our youth were ill-informed.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Innvertigo]
#2881763 - 07/12/04 10:41 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Canada depends on trade with the US, more than we depend on them.
Canada is your largest trading partner. We also supply a hefty ammount of your energy needs. We are both in this together...stop being so arrogant in trying to say you could do without us but we couldn't do without you. Neither of our countries would be well off without the other.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
#2881782 - 07/12/04 10:48 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Canada is your largest trading partner.
it is, I know this.
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We also supply a hefty ammount of your energy needs. We are both in this together
we're not together if 40% or your morons think Americans are evil. Personally I say fuck em.
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stop being so arrogant in trying to say you could do without us but we couldn't do without you.
not arrogant, just truthful. Don't be so naive as to think that the US would collapse without you. I personally don't want to do business with people that claim "I" am evil.
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Neither of our countries would be well off without the other.
hence the "cutting off their nose to spite their face".
Do I want to be without Canada's business? Hell No. But telling a whole country you find them evil isn't exactly a good way to get us to buy your bacon....or those nifty Dudly Do-right outfits.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
#2881792 - 07/12/04 10:50 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oil's not all, Canada's number one for natural gas imports.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Innvertigo]
#2881795 - 07/12/04 10:51 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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As far as I know, nobody here ever said that 40% of Americans are evil. If you want to read into it that way...well go ahead but it's just not the truth.
There is a big difference in the minds of Canadians between "America" and "Americans". America can be thought of as your government as a whole...the way it approaches the rest of the world. Obviously we are not calling each and every one of you evil, you silly silly man
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
#2881825 - 07/12/04 11:06 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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As far as I know, nobody here ever said that 40% of Americans are evil.
The topic of the thread is this: Fox TV News: Recent poll finds 40% of Canada's teenagers believe the USA to be an evil influence in the world.
Like I said earlier, if they're talking about 40% of those that think the Government is evil then I have no problem with that.
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If you want to read into it that way...well go ahead but it's just not the truth.
what? yet again: Fox TV News: Recent poll finds 40% of Canada's teenagers believe the USA to be an evil influence in the world.
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There is a big difference in the minds of Canadians between "America" and "Americans". America can be thought of as your government as a whole...
so, you can speak for all 40%? hmmm
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Obviously we are not calling each and every one of you evil, you silly silly man
not according to that poll. words are words, they mean what they mean.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Innvertigo]
#2881840 - 07/12/04 11:10 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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"40% of Canada's teenagers believe the USA to be an evil influence in the world"
An "evil influence in the world"...ok...so then where does it say that Americans themselves are evil? If you want to get picky, it doesn't even say that America is evil, just that it is an "evil influence"
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
#2881866 - 07/12/04 11:19 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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An "evil influence in the world"...ok...so then where does it say that Americans themselves are evil?
who makes up the USA? Canadians?
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If you want to get picky, it doesn't even say that America is evil, just that it is an "evil influence"
oh Lord, you're stretching now. I'm one of those weird people who actually think that words mean things.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Innvertigo]
#2881883 - 07/12/04 11:22 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes you appear to like stretching those meanings to cover things that aren't said in the original sentence 
I live here (Canada) and everyone I've talked to has said the same thing: your (America's) government is fucked up...but Americans themselves are just the same as we are. If you want to dissagree with someone who lives here and agree with Fox News instead...well go ahead but that's the end of our conversation
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
#2881915 - 07/12/04 11:33 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the United States lack of culture, lack of respect for other people's culture and capitalism is an evil influence on the world.
I'm American and I don't think all American's are evil.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
#2881918 - 07/12/04 11:34 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I live here (Canada) and everyone I've talked to has said the same thing: your (America's) government is fucked up...but Americans themselves are just the same as we are.
Funny thing...
I live here (America, well, I used to) and everyone I've talked to has said the same thing: our (America's) government is fucked up... now if only we Americans can figure out a way to take control of our country back from all of these career politicians... *sigh*
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
#2881921 - 07/12/04 11:35 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes you appear to like stretching those meanings to cover things that aren't said in the original sentence
what was the topic of discussion in this thread? better yet just read the first sentance.
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live here (Canada) and everyone I've talked to has said the same thing: your (America's) government is fucked up...
the government is fine, those in charge of the Govt. are the fucked up ones.
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but Americans themselves are just the same as we are.
similar, not the same.
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If you want to dissagree with someone who lives here and agree with Fox News instead...well go ahead but that's the end of our conversation
I'm just discussing the topic. If it was so wrong, why didn't any Canadians deny it? I tend to take many Fox News polls with a grain of salt. I like you question many things. When I see a poll that says 40% of Canadians think A or B, I want to know what A or B is and why. You may not like people questioning the motives but that's just me being me.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: newuser1492]
#2881924 - 07/12/04 11:37 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the United States lack of culture, lack of respect for other people's culture and capitalism is an evil influence on the world.
I think we have a diverse culture, that can't be argued. Capitalism is a trait I am proud of concerning the United States.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Innvertigo]
#2881927 - 07/12/04 11:37 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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If it was so wrong, why didn't any Canadians deny it?
You've got one denying it right here, eh
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
#2881952 - 07/12/04 11:48 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was going to question your Canadian heritage but you did end the sentance with an "eh". It's good to know that a percentage (the size may be debateable) of Canadians know that the American public is not evil.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Innvertigo]
#2881967 - 07/12/04 11:56 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Most of us have been to America many times and have met plenty of Americans, so it's quite easy to see the difference (and it's a DISTINCT difference) between your average American citizen and the views of those "in power" in America.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
#2882013 - 07/12/04 12:09 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think that would apply to just aboot all other countries as well.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Innvertigo]
#2882031 - 07/12/04 12:14 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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aboot 
And yes, you are entirely correct! One of the greatest things about this little toy we call "the internet" is that it allows us to all come into contact with people from other cultures. Over the past 10 years it (the net) has taught me time and time again that we are, for the most part, not that different from eachother! Even when we grow up on opposite sides of the planet...the differences are minor and unimportant!
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
#2882059 - 07/12/04 12:20 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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ya like that? 
Another thing the Internet has showed me is that there are many in this world that participate in class warfare. I thought that was uniquly American.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Innvertigo]
#2882064 - 07/12/04 12:21 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Actually, the US basically depends on our oil, lumber and CLEAN WATER.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
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Again: we depend on eachother. It is pointless to try and speak of this as a one-sided issue, because it isn?t. Our economies are so intertwined that we basically have a single economy. We use eachother?s resources at a nearly 50/50 share.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
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Actually, the US basically depends on our oil, lumber and CLEAN WATER.
Actually no....
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
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We use eachother's resources at a nearly 50/50 share.
that's why we call you the 51st state.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: newuser1492]
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I think the United States lack of culture, lack of respect for other people's culture and capitalism is an evil influence on the world.
I think if the rest of the world were Laissez-Faire our quasi-socialist system would be an evil influence on the world. Right now it is not a good influence on the world because of how directly government intervenes in our economy. Even as it is though, I'll take our current mess of a system over Canada's socialist paradise(see: shithole).
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Innvertigo]
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Think of it this way:
What would happen to the US if Canada staunched the flow all of the commodities i just mentioned?
I'm not even talking abour economics. The US would have to invade Canada to survive, not to mention keep its economy alive. However, Canada could survive completely on its own agriculture (remember New York City has a larger population than Canada as a whole), fuel and lumber.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
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oh, and i forgot CLEAN WATER.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
#2882551 - 07/12/04 02:19 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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no-tone said: Think of it this way:
What would happen to the US if Canada staunched the flow all of the commodities i just mentioned?
I'm not even talking abour economics. The US would have to invade Canada to survive, not to mention keep its economy alive. However, Canada could survive completely on its own agriculture (remember New York City has a larger population than Canada as a whole), fuel and lumber.
I don't want to play a 'my daddy can beat up your daddy' game, but you are very off in your argument. You may be our main supplier of the above mentioned things, but you are not our ONLY supplier of the above mentioned things. Our economy would take a slight, perhaps moderate immediate dip followed by a return to normalcy as exports from other countries increased and our strategic reserves kicked in. Your country however, would not make out so well. The fact that we purchase so much of your shit would leave just about the entirety of your non-service/manufacturing base absolutely devestated. While the United States would have to find new places to buy some goods at the expense of some short-term discomfort, you would have to somehow find new consumers(keeping in mind the current balance of the world market) as your country as a whole becomes poorer and poorer with each passing day.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
#2882557 - 07/12/04 02:22 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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oh, and i forgot CLEAN WATER.
You ever heard of the Great Lakes?
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Ancalagon]
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I'm not talking about your economy surviving. I'm talking about YOU surviving. The US would resort to force. The fact is that the US doesn't have much of its own resources anymore. Its been squandered on urban sprawls and your water is too polluted to drink.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
#2882569 - 07/12/04 02:25 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
You can't drink from the Great Lakes!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
They are some of the most polluted bodies of water in NA!!!
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
#2882583 - 07/12/04 02:28 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good luck getting treatment plants working effectively and efficiently to support the population of the US (especially since you wouldn't have water to give to your workers...)
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
#2882584 - 07/12/04 02:29 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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remember New York City has a larger population than Canada as a whole
NYC has about 8 million or so people, Canada has about 32 million. Man, you don't even know your own country, if in fact you're from there.
The state of California is pretty close to the population of Canada.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
#2882587 - 07/12/04 02:29 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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no-tone said: I'm not talking about your economy surviving. I'm talking about YOU surviving. The US would resort to force. The fact is that the US doesn't have much of its own resources anymore. Its been squandered on urban sprawls and your water is too polluted to drink.
Um.....Have you ever been here? besides to our cities?
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
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Innvertigo's right man, it's California state which has nearly the population of Canada...
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
#2882608 - 07/12/04 02:35 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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They are some of the most polluted bodies of water in NA!!!
I'm beginning to think you have no idea what you're talking about. It supplies the world with about 25% of the worlds fresh water. Read a book, sheesh.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
#2882615 - 07/12/04 02:36 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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The most appropriate comparison for Canada nd the U.S is California as far as economy and population size. It is true that we are one of the largest sources of fresh water in the world.
Here are fun water facts from Canada. FUN
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: sir tripsalot]
#2882623 - 07/12/04 02:39 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I will say that Canada has some of the most beautiful lakes and streams. And to be fair to no-tone, Canada shares a large portion of the great lakes.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: z@z.com]
#2882633 - 07/12/04 02:42 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I messed up the population thing, I meant New York.
Either way, the state has a greater population than canada.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
#2882642 - 07/12/04 02:44 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Actually New York state has only about 19 million people...
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
#2882650 - 07/12/04 02:45 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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UHmm. Are you drinking the water from the great lakes? You're going to be dead very soon.
oh lord, Where do you think the water comes from that feeds Ontario?
also Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, New York and other bordering states
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
#2882654 - 07/12/04 02:46 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, I'll just shut up about the population thing.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Innvertigo]
#2882661 - 07/12/04 02:47 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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THey don't drink that shit!!! We get clean water from up north. You americans can have all the great lakes water you want.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
#2882666 - 07/12/04 02:48 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes you guys do drink it and it's perfectly fine I'm going to buy you a book.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
#2882692 - 07/12/04 02:53 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Er...actually no. The city I live in, with 350,000 people, gets it's water directly from Lake Huron...
Toronto gets most of its water from Lake Ontario, if my memory is correct.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
#2882701 - 07/12/04 02:56 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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trendal said: Er...actually no. The city I live in, with 350,000 people, gets it's water directly from Lake Huron... Toronto gets most of its water from Lake Ontario, if my memory is correct.
Ha. Maybe you should call it a day no-tone.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Ancalagon]
#2882710 - 07/12/04 03:00 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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He's Canadian, what do you expect?
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Innvertigo]
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Id just like to say that i have never been polled ever.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
#2883713 - 07/12/04 08:09 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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The problem seems to be that Swami wasn't directly quoting any article on the Fox News website, rather he was paraphrasing what he saw on a Fox political discussion show. The poll being discussed on the show was not done by Fox, it was done by the Canadian media company CanWest. Some 634 (or 643 -- I can't be bothered to dig back through my brouser history) Canadians aged 14 to 18 were polled. Forty per cent of those polled said (and I can't find the exact wording of the question or of any of the other questions in the poll) they felt America was an evil influence on the world. The teenagers in Quebec were even more critical than those in Canada as a whole -- 64 per cent of the Quebecois teens said they felt America was an evil influence on the world. Figures. pinky
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Swami]
#2884605 - 07/13/04 12:28 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fox robots made me laugh by saying... "If only we could tell them how great Bush is (over and over and over again) and how evil Arabs are, then these screwed up kids could see the light."
Who exactly on Fox News sayd Arabs were evil?
My guess is that Canadian kids are as stupid as American kids and also that this poll is meaningless.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
#2884626 - 07/13/04 12:37 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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You know even less about America than most Americans do aboat Canada.
Fascinating!
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#2884706 - 07/13/04 01:21 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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...and also that this poll is meaningless
How others view our nation is far from meaningless.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Swami]
#2884796 - 07/13/04 02:17 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's not what I said.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Swami]
#2884877 - 07/13/04 03:06 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have an open question for anybody that'll take it.
Why do Canadian youth think that the US is an evil influence?
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Kasumeat]
#2884897 - 07/13/04 03:26 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kasumeat said: I have an open question for anybody that'll take it.
Why do Canadian youth think that the US is an evil influence?
probably because they start unjust wars around the world and tend to give large sums of money to dictatorships and terrorists. And because US foreign policy tends to create sharp divisions among people and increase world conflict levels.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Positronius]
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Couldn't have said it better.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Kasumeat]
#2884991 - 07/13/04 04:42 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kasumeat writes:
Why do Canadian youth think that the US is an evil influence?
Because they have been educated in government schools. Worse, they have been educated in Canadian government schools. The anti-American bias in Canadian textbooks is blatant. And of course, the faculties are composed overwhelmingly of Lefties.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Phred]
#2885735 - 07/13/04 11:25 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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You mean Anti-Americanism isn't censored by the government like (from what I gather from another thread in this forum) anti-jew, or anti-muslim, or racism is?
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Phred]
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So the answer is ALL brain-washing? Easy write-off...
It is not possible that they are disgusted with US corporate fraud, the world's largest weapons aresenal, the world's largest weapons dealer and the hypocritical stance of peace while adventuring in many countries around the world?
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Swami]
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Swami writes:
It is not possible that they are disgusted with US corporate fraud, the world's largest weapons aresenal, the world's largest weapons dealer and the hypocritical stance of peace while adventuring in many countries around the world?
Swami, the kids who gave that answer are as young as fourteen years old, fa cryin' out loud. I don't know about you, but when I was fourteen years old I wasn't avidly watching TV political discussion forums and reading every last word on the Op-Ed pages and checking weighty tomes on US history out of the library. I was smoking dope, hanging out with my friends and trying to get laid. Hell, I was still doing two out of three of those things when I was eighteen (the age of the oldest respondents).
The majority of what I knew about "corporate fraud" (and yes, astonishing as it may seem, there is corporate fraud in Canada as well) -- by the way, how does corporate fraud make the US an evil influence in the world? -- the size of the US nuclear arsenal, and the number of weapons sold by the US (you might want to check your claim about the world's largest arms dealer), and the amount of US intervention abroad when I was a teenager came from history and social studies classes in high school. I doubt Canadian fifteen and sixteen year olds today are a whole lot different.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Phred]
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pink:
The anti-American bias in Canadian textbooks is blatant. And of course, the faculties are composed overwhelmingly of Lefties.
---can I see your source on this one, because I dont recall any anti-american sentiment in our textbooks. Actually, my senior history teacher was an American ex-pat, and the curriculum was pro-american if it was biased at all.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Positronius]
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My source? How about the textbooks I was given in school? I was born and raised in Canada. Spent the first three and a half decades of my life there. I wasn't the only one in my classes who noticed (and commented on) the anti-American slant, and this was in the Hippie era, with Viet Nam on the news every night -- it was pretty much a given in my peer group that Johnson, McNamara, Nixon and Kissinger were evil dudes, but even some of us found the unrelenting slant to be just too blatant to swallow all of it unquestioningly.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Phred]
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Here's a more recent source than my memories of high school --
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2004/main060704.htm
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Phred]
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okay, well first off, we are talking about modern youth
and secondly, Nixon, McNamera, Johnson, Kissinger.
um......Kissinger is a war criminal, McNamera is an admitted war criminal, Nixon is a crook, and Johnson is a complete idiot (says McNamera)
a purely objective analysis if these figures reveals them to be far more "evil" than "good".
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Positronius]
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ah, "Canadian free press" right,. nice source, must be objective with links to Coulter and Rush. Sorry, you are going to have to provide me with a more respectable source than that. I might read it if I can find the time, but I dont trust obvious right-wing sources with obvious right-wing agendas.
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Positronius]
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LOL!
Read it, then check the credentials of the woman who produced the research and presented the paper at the convention. The Free Press was the first link I came across that had it, but there were two or three others as well on the Google search page. Don't like the Freep? Fine, pick another. It doesn't change the fact that the woman did the study (of some 75 Canadian textbooks) nor does it alter her findings.
Why do you bother asking me for sources if your stubborn Leftist bias prevents you from reading those sources? Do your own work next time. Don't expect me to spoonfeed you. Hell, with a little poking around you could probably find a pdf file of the entire study somewhere -- maybe at the University of Manitoba website. Go for it.
By the way, the Free Press also reported on the September 11, 2001 attacks. Does this mean the attacks never happened? They also reported that Paul Martin won the election. Does this mean Paul Martin is not the PM of Canada?
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Phred]
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Why do you bother asking me for sources if your stubborn Leftist bias prevents you from reading those sources? Do your own work next time. Don't expect me to spoonfeed you.
wait a minute, Im not a leftist, I pride myself on being a centrist. I will do my own work, when I get around to it, but I am already reading hours and hours of articles everyday for my work, so when I see "coulter" and "limbaugh" red lights start blinking.
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