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OfflineAncalagon
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
    #2882551 - 07/12/04 02:19 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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no-tone said:
Think of it this way:

What would happen to the US if Canada staunched the flow all of the commodities i just mentioned?

I'm not even talking abour economics.
The US would have to invade Canada to survive, not to mention keep its economy alive. However, Canada could survive completely on its own agriculture (remember New York City has a larger population than Canada as a whole), fuel and lumber.



I don't want to play a 'my daddy can beat up your daddy' game, but you are very off in your argument. You may be our main supplier of the above mentioned things, but you are not our ONLY supplier of the above mentioned things. Our economy would take a slight, perhaps moderate immediate dip followed by a return to normalcy as exports from other countries increased and our strategic reserves kicked in. Your country however, would not make out so well. The fact that we purchase so much of your shit would leave just about the entirety of your non-service/manufacturing base absolutely devestated. While the United States would have to find new places to buy some goods at the expense of some short-term discomfort, you would have to somehow find new consumers(keeping in mind the current balance of the world market) as your country as a whole becomes poorer and poorer with each passing day.


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
    #2882557 - 07/12/04 02:22 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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oh, and i forgot CLEAN WATER.




You ever heard of the Great Lakes?


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2882564 - 07/12/04 02:24 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not talking about your economy surviving. I'm talking about YOU surviving. The US would resort to force. The fact is that the US doesn't have much of its own resources anymore. Its been squandered on urban sprawls and your water is too polluted to drink.


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
    #2882569 - 07/12/04 02:25 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

You can't drink from the Great Lakes!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

They are some of the most polluted bodies of water in NA!!!


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
    #2882583 - 07/12/04 02:28 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Good luck getting treatment plants working effectively and efficiently to support the population of the US (especially since you wouldn't have water to give to your workers...)


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
    #2882584 - 07/12/04 02:29 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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remember New York City has a larger population than Canada as a whole




NYC has about 8 million or so people, Canada has about 32 million. Man, you don't even know your own country, if in fact you're from there.

The state of California is pretty close to the population of Canada.


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
    #2882587 - 07/12/04 02:29 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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no-tone said:
I'm not talking about your economy surviving. I'm talking about YOU surviving. The US would resort to force. The fact is that the US doesn't have much of its own resources anymore. Its been squandered on urban sprawls and your water is too polluted to drink.



Um.....Have you ever been here? besides to our cities?


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
    #2882590 - 07/12/04 02:30 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Innvertigo's right man, it's California state which has nearly the population of Canada...


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
    #2882608 - 07/12/04 02:35 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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They are some of the most polluted bodies of water in NA!!!




I'm beginning to think you have no idea what you're talking about. It supplies the world with about 25% of the worlds fresh water. Read a book, sheesh.


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
    #2882615 - 07/12/04 02:36 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The most appropriate comparison for Canada nd the U.S is California as far as economy and population size. It is true that we are one of the largest sources of fresh water in the world.

Here are fun water facts from Canada. FUN


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2882623 - 07/12/04 02:39 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I will say that Canada has some of the most beautiful lakes and streams. And to be fair to no-tone, Canada shares a large portion of the great lakes.


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: z@z.com]
    #2882633 - 07/12/04 02:42 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

So I messed up the population thing, I meant New York.

Either way, the state has a greater population than canada.

UHmm. Are you drinking the water from the great lakes? You're going to be dead very soon.


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
    #2882640 - 07/12/04 02:43 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.great-lakes.net/humanhealth/drink/

I'm glad i don't have to drink that shit.


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
    #2882642 - 07/12/04 02:44 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Actually New York state has only about 19 million people... :smirk:


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
    #2882650 - 07/12/04 02:45 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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UHmm. Are you drinking the water from the great lakes? You're going to be dead very soon.




oh lord, Where do you think the water comes from that feeds Ontario?

also Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, New York and other bordering states


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
    #2882654 - 07/12/04 02:46 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I'll just shut up about the population thing.


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2882661 - 07/12/04 02:47 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

THey don't drink that shit!!! We get clean water from up north. You americans can have all the great lakes water you want.


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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
    #2882666 - 07/12/04 02:48 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

yes you guys do drink it and it's perfectly fine I'm going to buy you a book.


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Edited by Innvertigo (07/12/04 02:54 PM)

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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: no-tone]
    #2882692 - 07/12/04 02:53 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Er...actually no. The city I live in, with 350,000 people, gets it's water directly from Lake Huron...

Toronto gets most of its water from Lake Ontario, if my memory is correct.


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OfflineAncalagon
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Re: Canadian Youth find US Empire to be Evil [Re: trendal]
    #2882701 - 07/12/04 02:56 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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trendal said:
Er...actually no. The city I live in, with 350,000 people, gets it's water directly from Lake Huron...

Toronto gets most of its water from Lake Ontario, if my memory is correct.



Ha. Maybe you should call it a day no-tone.


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