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OfflineRazorStraight
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Just inoculated some grain
    #28773705 - 05/14/24 02:07 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

I got two small containers of brown rice inoculated with blue meanies. Ive done a few inoculations in the past, with a few contaminations, and some successful mycelium. But never got to the fruiting stage. Im trying smaller containers, as I can conserve resources and maybe minimize contam risks with smaller volumes. I read here in the "casing" section and if im reading right you can just birth the cakes, dunk for 20 hours and roll in pasturized vermiculite. Then just keep it hydrated. Since the bottom of the cake will absorb moisture just fine, you can just keep it hydrated with tap water.. So im imagining you just keep the bottom of the small dish I birth it into watered and shrooms pop out the top? Is it really that simple?

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Re: Just inoculated some grain [Re: RazorStraight] * 3
    #28773722 - 05/14/24 02:44 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

Welcome to the Shroomery :mushroom2:

You´re doing PF Tek, so i recommend to have a read here.

In Pf Tek there´s no need for casings, you also don´t need to pasteurize vermiculite,
and the cakes aren´t in direct touch with water.
To clear some clouds off, have a read here first.
Read it all carefully and gain valuable experience :wink:


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Re: Just inoculated some grain [Re: Goatrider]
    #28773746 - 05/14/24 03:43 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

Idk sounds like he doing the Ben's. Also pure rice like that if was clean mycelium it would have fruited if you tried.

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Re: Just inoculated some grain [Re: vicepope] * 1
    #28774604 - 05/14/24 10:03 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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Idk sounds like he doing the Ben's. Also pure rice like that if was clean mycelium it would have fruited if you tried.




He wants to dunk´n´roll,
so i didn´t think of Uncle Ben.
But let´s see :biggrin:


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Re: Just inoculated some grain [Re: RazorStraight] * 5
    #28774618 - 05/14/24 10:22 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

You want to use a "water tub" for your cakes or whatever it is. It is super easy and easily searchable.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?terms=water+tub

Skip the dunk and roll till the second flush.

If you are doing uncle bens tek, Understand there is a major prejudice here against that method. I don't know if it's an insult to peoples intelligence or some weird ocd need to control the flow of information by censoring newcomers and first timers, but if it is uncle bens you are doing your thread will get shut down/closed. If that happens just PM me and I'll try to help you as best I can. I don't think that shutting down UB threads will curb or change anything other than to scare away 90% of new members to this site because they think people here are ass holes. Uncle bens is not a good method to use and has very many problems but it undoubdetly brings a lot of new people into cult and to this place for help. It is a door opener to much better methods. Closing the door like that is dumb.

Being intimidated by UB conversations is indicative of something.... Like a brand new giant red pickup truck in the city.

Good luck.


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Re: Just inoculated some grain [Re: Nichrome] * 2
    #28774675 - 05/14/24 11:19 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Hear fuckin hear.


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Re: Just inoculated some grain [Re: Nichrome]
    #28774755 - 05/15/24 01:35 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

I got the basic concepts down, using whatever I have at the moment to grow mushrooms at this time. PF tek is where im starting. So I got two nicely sterilized small containers of rice. Uncle bens is not something im trying to promote or discuss here ive lurked enough to understand how cringe this is. But since my last post, I have caught on to how important producing more LC on agar is going to be from here. Ive had a few runs with failed inoculations already, and now ive finally realized how important its going to be to learn how to work with agar. Im almost wondering if I should just start honing my skills in making agar plates from here if this batch fails. Im pretty confident that what I got will work, as ive been making good healthy mycelium. Fruiting is my failure point right now. Ive been reading and watching videos on that. If my grain I have currently births good cakes, I plan on just doing as I explained above. Either way, I just now realized how bad im gonna want to learn to produce more of my own LC. Wether I get some nice blue meanies out of this or not.

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Re: Just inoculated some grain [Re: RazorStraight]
    #28774760 - 05/15/24 01:49 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Wow water tub tek is something i never heard of. Id like to try, i just hope I can locate some grates that fit a good tub before my mycelium is fully formed!

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Re: Just inoculated some grain [Re: RazorStraight]
    #28774777 - 05/15/24 02:40 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Once the cakes are colonized, why not just spawn those to bulk in a shoebox?*


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Re: Just inoculated some grain [Re: MycCycle]
    #28774843 - 05/15/24 06:05 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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MycCycle said:
Once the cakes are colonized, why not just spawn those to bulk in a shoebox?*



Limited energy in cakes make it less food for mycelium to eat for colonize new substances.  Breaking up cakes that usually are colonized by spore or min bacteria won't fruit well, but fruit fine in cakes with cakes self contain.
Off handed if your using your actual lc that's clean and using the cakes as storage like I do or limit ms culture testing then use spawning to a shoebox of pasteurization straw/manure mix correctly makes sense. Since I will say 90% of the people here use coir I don't see the upside.

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Re: Just inoculated some grain [Re: vicepope] * 2
    #28775166 - 05/15/24 12:38 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Busting up PF cakes and spreading around the localized bacteria is a no brainer as to why it's a bad plan. If you want to bulk out some PF cakes just bury them in field capacity coir. That way you don't stir up all the other stuff too.

Grain is best suited for bulk. PF cakes are best fruited as is. Don't put diesel in a gas engine.

Water tub is the way to go and the specific rack doesn't matter. You could use a couple of disposable pie plates turned over with holes poked in them. You could use anything really, it just needs to suspend above the water.


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Re: Just inoculated some grain [Re: Nichrome]
    #28775835 - 05/16/24 01:12 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Yea I dont really want to break up the beautiful looking mycelium. I feel like keeping it all into one nice round cylindrical cake, it is more resilient to contam. Broken up mycelium=increased surface area=more chances to come in contact with contaminants. Im thinking this is why PF tek is the go to for noobs. I imagine one must be alot more careful spawning to bulk, adding a casing layer. More risk for more yield? Im only trying to feed myself here.

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Re: Just inoculated some grain [Re: MycCycle]
    #28775856 - 05/16/24 02:25 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

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MycCycle said:
Once the cakes are colonized, why not just spawn those to bulk in a shoebox?*




It's all about energy.  There isn't a lot of grain mass in a cake, compared to a jar of grain of the same size. It takes energy for mycelia to spread into coir/bulk.  The ratios in PF Tek are optimized to fruit in place. There isn't a lot of excess energy available to expand into bulk.

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