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What can you do? (The precedent for the president)
#28774581 - 05/14/24 09:37 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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So you’re sitting at home watching some TV. Your fiancé is in the kitchen. When out of the corner of your eye. You see something outside of your window. Before you can react, The man comes flying through your wall on a Clydesdale.
He’s dressed like Napoleon Bonepart, and he is swinging a saber through the air. Hearing the ruckus, your fiancé comes into the room to see what’s going on and is immediately decapitated. This man proceeds to throw a grenade and blow a hole through the other wall in your house.
Then tells you.” I did you a favor, your house looked like shit.” Then rides away into the night.
But he’s the president. So what can you do?
 Apparently, the president can’t be held responsible for any thing they do. So sucks for you and your fiancé.
Too bad that we don’t hold people accountable to the crimes they’ve committed regardless of status or position held. That would be nice.
Edited by GenesisCorrupted (05/14/24 10:35 PM)
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 1
#28774743 - 05/15/24 01:07 AM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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At that point I would probably just decide to drop the act. Simply stop pretending that they were anything special just because some people believed they were due to a vote or whatever. Live with the reality of the fact they that they're simply just another regular old human animal living on the same planet as me and my wife...err, uhh...yeah, and then operate from the actuality of all that.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28775066 - 05/15/24 11:10 AM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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The 'crime' irl, for which he is on trial, was pandering to the female vote.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: durian_2008]
#28775078 - 05/15/24 11:17 AM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Precedent is the same. That’s what I want to make an example of.
If Donald Trump is correct. The president cannot be held responsible for any crimes.
He could slow cook a baby in a crockpot, and that would be completely fine.
I think that Position and title does not matter. When you break the law, you should be held accountable and pay for the crime. Regardless of who you were or are.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28775140 - 05/15/24 12:16 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Are we talking about Pizzagate or paying off a hooker with blown out meat curtains.
T said, he was upset about losing the female vote. I feel nonplussed about that, but can you name the law.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 1
#28775333 - 05/15/24 03:45 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said: Precedent is the same. That’s what I want to make an example of.
If Donald Trump is correct. The president cannot be held responsible for any crimes.
He could slow cook a baby in a crockpot, and that would be completely fine.
I think that Position and title does not matter. When you break the law, you should be held accountable and pay for the crime. Regardless of who you were or are.
As an ideal OR something to strive for, I agree.
The reality is another thing as people in power, influence, money can obtain a form of justice/ judgements that are differnt. Take for instance Dump being held in contempt in the New York trial. I can only imagine if you or I would say the same things...pretty sure bars to think about it. On the other side, a former prez was held in contempt, which shows something in itself.
The courts can only go so far....after all they are run by humans. Innocent people get sent to prison....and OJ was not guilty of murder but found liable for wrongful death. What would be the outcome of a criminal case if you had a public defender compared to a $500,000 legal team?
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28776553 - 05/16/24 03:43 PM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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I had a public defender once... who had previously been the prosecutor in that county for 10 years.
She was awesome, and got all of my felonies thrown out. I had another public defender who took one look at my case, and talked to the prosecutor... had it thrown out (Also an illegal search, differnt case)...
Public defenders get a bad rap, and some of them deserve it, but sometimes they are your very best bet.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#28776779 - 05/16/24 06:49 PM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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Of course, I am not talking shit about public defenders in general, sure there are moral legal eagles out there. No matter their prowess though, if you got half a million to throw at a legal issue, chances are you will have a more favorable result. Thats fine, too....after all its their money to spend.
It even gets more fucked in civil cases...no public defenders there; unless you hit the lottery with a pro Bono civil attorney....you can get outspent real quick.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28776841 - 05/16/24 07:48 PM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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She was awesome, and got all of my felonies thrown out. I had another public defender who took one look at my case, and talked to the prosecutor... had it thrown out (Also an illegal search, differnt case)...
Public defenders get a bad rap, and some of them deserve it, but sometimes they are your very best bet
Fuck ya they got you out of having to serve time for crimes you committed , just like Epstein . There's a difference though , Epstein used his money to avoid jail , you used ours , other than that though there isn't much difference , imo .
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: Psilynut2]
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28777160 - 05/17/24 04:57 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said: So you’re sitting at home watching some TV. Your fiancé is in the kitchen. When out of the corner of your eye. You see something outside of your window. Before you can react, The man comes flying through your wall on a Clydesdale.
He’s dressed like Napoleon Bonepart, and he is swinging a saber through the air. Hearing the ruckus, your fiancé comes into the room to see what’s going on and is immediately decapitated. This man proceeds to throw a grenade and blow a hole through the other wall in your house.
Then tells you.” I did you a favor, your house looked like shit.” Then rides away into the night.
But he’s the president. So what can you do?
 Apparently, the president can’t be held responsible for any thing they do. So sucks for you and your fiancé.
Too bad that we don’t hold people accountable to the crimes they’ve committed regardless of status or position held. That would be nice.
I don't get why they think Joe Biden shouldn't be held accountable for anything he does while in office...
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#28777161 - 05/17/24 05:04 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: I had a public defender once... who had previously been the prosecutor in that county for 10 years.
She was awesome, and got all of my felonies thrown out. I had another public defender who took one look at my case, and talked to the prosecutor... had it thrown out (Also an illegal search, differnt case)...
Public defenders get a bad rap, and some of them deserve it, but sometimes they are your very best bet.
I had a friend get arrested when we were younger for possession of ketamine. He got all banged up with a girl who was a bad alcoholic. She was so drunk she was barely breathing when he woke up. He called 911 and cops were searching through all his shit before he knew it. They found an old baggie in his trash can in his room. His public defender wanted to just put in a guilty plea and hope for leniency. I had to tell him that we have good Samaritan laws in my state and he got off the charge.
Public defenders seem like a roll of the dice. I've heard good things as well.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#28777769 - 05/17/24 05:37 PM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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I got a DUI once and the cops threw in a drug charge because I had a medical card even though I didn't have any weed or paraphernalia on me. My public defender told me to plead guilty to the alcohol charge because a Ventura county jury would string me up by the balls on the weed charge at trial. Then the judge charged me like, $5500 for that legal advice because public defender fees depend on ability to pay and since I wasn't collecting any government aid it was determined that I wasn't so broke that I couldn't pay regardless of whether or not I was employed or had any money in the bank.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: ballsalsa]
#28777825 - 05/17/24 06:46 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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I once tried to out run the cops on my harley and the cops won after a while. I got a lawyer and he sent me a bill for four thousand and so I called him and told him I would rather make payments if possible cause paying all at once would strip me. He sounded kinda funny and I restated I could pay four grand but it would leave me busted and he said that it was a misprint and the bill was 400. I told him, forget I called, the check is in the mail.
Cops ask me why I ran and I told them cause I thought I could win. Oh to be young again.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: ballsalsa]
#28777826 - 05/17/24 06:47 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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I had a similar experience.
Fuck the courts.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: ballsalsa]
#28777868 - 05/17/24 07:30 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I got a DUI once and the cops threw in a drug charge because I had a medical card even though I didn't have any weed or paraphernalia on me. My public defender told me to plead guilty to the alcohol charge because a Ventura county jury would string me up by the balls on the weed charge at trial. Then the judge charged me like, $5500 for that legal advice because public defender fees depend on ability to pay and since I wasn't collecting any government aid it was determined that I wasn't so broke that I couldn't pay regardless of whether or not I was employed or had any money in the bank.
Holy fuck.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#28777882 - 05/17/24 07:37 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Yeah, that's on top of the fine and having to pay for work release, DUI school (twice, but that's my own fault), my subsequent ticket for driving on a suspended license with expired tags, etc. Very fucking expensive and it had me all fucked up for years.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: ballsalsa]
#28777894 - 05/17/24 07:44 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Y'all need to clean your shit up. OPSEC, bitches. I once got busted for manufacturing meth, ecstasy, and dealing felony amounts of weed and some acid. They literally couldn't find the mushrooms.
DA looked at me and let me go without charges in 30 seconds (and a 36 hour hold).
I'm pretty sure the informant bought out the last of my stock. Definitely had a sketchy dude on the very last batch.
Edit: Frankly, half the time, I don't understand how the fuck (non-POC) people manage to get busted.
Edited by Kryptos (05/17/24 07:50 PM)
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: Kryptos] 3
#28777906 - 05/17/24 07:55 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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My DUI was bogus. The lady cop made me blow in the machine a bunch of times because it kept coming up under .08. eventually they got a .09 after a burp. I'll write up the story in my OTD storytime thread
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: Kryptos]
#28777910 - 05/17/24 08:01 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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That's really shitty, balls. I feel like the court systems in wealthier counties tend to be a lot harsher.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28777913 - 05/17/24 08:03 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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In MI, they can't legally make you blow more than 3 times. One time they had a broken breathylizer.. I was shitty faced, hammered drunk, and I blew zeros 3 times, while they were trying to get it to work... they had to let me go.
True story..
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28777920 - 05/17/24 08:08 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Bogus or not, you shouldn't have been pulled. Sorry bro. Drive straight, walk, or be friendly with the local sheriff.
To be clear: I don't fault people for doing (nonviolent) crime. But I absolutely do fault people for doing crime poorly enough to get caught with evidence.
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#28777925 - 05/17/24 08:12 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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It was just a case of being on the road in Simi valley after 2am. The cop had over 200 dui arrests in 2 years. In her report she wrote that the reason for the initial stop was that my driver side tires touched the line.
I can't complain too much though because there were plenty of times I should have gotten a DUI and didn't. I once had triple vision and a bunch of cops passed me on the freeway. Or maybe it was just one...
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: Kryptos]
#28777954 - 05/17/24 08:30 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: Bogus or not, you shouldn't have been pulled. Sorry bro. Drive straight, walk, or be friendly with the local sheriff.
To be clear: I don't fault people for doing (nonviolent) crime. But I absolutely do fault people for doing crime poorly enough to get caught with evidence.
I've got true stories that are better than your fairytales..
So I fault you for bad story telling.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: ballsalsa] 2
#28778324 - 05/18/24 05:20 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I got a DUI once and the cops threw in a drug charge because I had a medical card even though I didn't have any weed or paraphernalia on me. My public defender told me to plead guilty to the alcohol charge because a Ventura county jury would string me up by the balls on the weed charge at trial. Then the judge charged me like, $5500 for that legal advice because public defender fees depend on ability to pay and since I wasn't collecting any government aid it was determined that I wasn't so broke that I couldn't pay regardless of whether or not I was employed or had any money in the bank.
One of my friends pleaded guilty to DUI (first offense) but the judge went long and hard on him because there was a one hitter in the car.
For my felony cannabis manufacturing charge, I started with a sharp experienced public defender for the bail hearing but had him recommend a political establishment private lawyer to negotiate my guilty plea, and the felony was wiped clean after 18 months.
Took the opposite strategy with my DUI. This lawyer took cases he could win at trial. There should be a portrait of him at my bar.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: ballsalsa]
#28779069 - 05/18/24 06:57 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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ballsalsa said: It was just a case of being on the road in Simi valley after 2am. The cop had over 200 dui arrests in 2 years. In her report she wrote that the reason for the initial stop was that my driver side tires touched the line.
I can't complain too much though because there were plenty of times I should have gotten a DUI and didn't. I once had triple vision and a bunch of cops passed me on the freeway. Or maybe it was just one...
I also just don't drive between 1-3am.
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: Kryptos]
#28780298 - 05/19/24 03:34 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Whoops moved
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Re: What can you do? (The precedent for the president) [Re: Kryptos]
#28781063 - 05/20/24 09:04 AM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: I also just don't drive between 1-3am.
When the bars close and the zombies of ladies night come lurching out.
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