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Help with my spawn math
    #28770313 - 05/11/24 08:15 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

I want to make a shoebox. It's 6 liters (little over a quart). I'm not supposed to fill it to the brim, right? So I need 3 liters of spawn and coir (plus  more coir for casing)

I think I've read here that the spawn to coir ratio should be 1:4. So it's .6 liters of spawn an 2.4 liters of coir (that'd br like 540 g of dry coir, if I'm not mistaken). And, since rye doubles in volume, I'd need .3 liters of rye.


Plus of course, I don't know, 200g of coir for casing.

Does that check out?


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: mush_monkey] * 4
    #28770339 - 05/11/24 08:30 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

Youre way overthinking it. Stick to 1 quart of spawn for shoeboxes. Prep your coir then add anywhere from 1 to 6 quarts. Id stick to 2 quarts if I were you. Mix it up, compress with a rubber grout float or something similar. Put the lid on and forget about it.

Btw 540 g of dry coir is about 10 quarts. Way too much. 650 g is a brick and will normally make 12 quarts.


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: mush_monkey]
    #28770342 - 05/11/24 08:31 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

i wouldnt do any of this :shrug:


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: tripdawg420]
    #28770347 - 05/11/24 08:33 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

:ooo: what do you mean? Shoeboxes?


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: mush_monkey]
    #28770355 - 05/11/24 08:37 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

naw i really wouldnt


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: tripdawg420] * 1
    #28770366 - 05/11/24 08:41 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

But what's wrong with them? They sound like good training for bigger monotubs and allow you to try more varieties, no?


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: mush_monkey]
    #28770375 - 05/11/24 08:44 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

idk what ur skill lvl is but i would buy lc from the vendors and prep 10 qts at a time and fruit in a reg mono 5 qts per the basic bucket tek :thumbup:


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: tripdawg420] * 2
    #28770382 - 05/11/24 08:48 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

Lc needs to be tested before being put to grain. If youre new then learn agar first before messing with lc.


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: tripdawg420] * 4
    #28770383 - 05/11/24 08:48 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

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idk what ur skill lvl is but i would buy lc from the vendors and prep 10 qts at a time and fruit in a reg mono 5 qts per the basic bucket tek :thumbup:





How the hell did you get a TC tag with comments like these?

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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
    #28770387 - 05/11/24 08:49 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

ya ur right but thats what i would do if i was new :shrug:


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: RockinRobot] * 1
    #28770388 - 05/11/24 08:49 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

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idk what ur skill lvl is but i would buy lc from the vendors and prep 10 qts at a time and fruit in a reg mono 5 qts per the basic bucket tek :thumbup:





How the hell did you get a TC tag with comments like these?



cuz it what it is mf :shrug:


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: RockinRobot]
    #28770392 - 05/11/24 08:50 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

We need an overzealous tc like trip to shake things up a bit. :tongue:


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
    #28770395 - 05/11/24 08:52 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

:shrug:


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
    #28770399 - 05/11/24 08:54 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

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Btw 540 g of dry coir is about 10 quarts. Way too much. 650 g is a brick and will normally make 12 quarts.




Man, I would have sworn that I read five minutes ago that 1g of coir equals 4.44 ml at field capacity, but I can't find the thread

Thanks for the heads up!


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: tripdawg420]
    #28770409 - 05/11/24 09:02 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

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idk what ur skill lvl is but i would buy lc from the vendors and prep 10 qts at a time and fruit in a reg mono 5 qts per the basic bucket tek :thumbup:




Last time I checked my skill level was at minus 56. I'll check the basic bucket Tek but already got the shoeboxes, the rye (I live in a 3 million people metro area and took me two weeks to find a shop that carried the magic stuff!) and some mycelium in agar that's begging me to inoculate it.


Is the basic bucket Tek considered more noob friendly  than shoeboxes?


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: mush_monkey]
    #28770413 - 05/11/24 09:04 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

well the bucket tek is how u prep coir:shrug:


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: tripdawg420]
    #28770419 - 05/11/24 09:09 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

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well the bucket tek is how u prep coir:shrug:



Oh, yeah. Sure. I knew that.


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: mush_monkey]
    #28770424 - 05/11/24 09:11 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

ya getting 10 qts of spawn aint hard


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: mush_monkey] * 2
    #28770472 - 05/11/24 09:50 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

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Btw 540 g of dry coir is about 10 quarts. Way too much. 650 g is a brick and will normally make 12 quarts.




Man, I would have sworn that I read five minutes ago that 1g of coir equals 4.44 ml at field capacity, but I can't find the thread

Thanks for the heads up!




I´m sure it´s 4,3492 ml at field capacity.
Damn mate, don´t make brains about these numbers.
All brick brands behave different in expansion and whatever.
The brand i use barely needs 3 quarts of water to a brick of 650gr, it´s more like 2,75 qts.
I also don´t care for the exact volume,
as i compress the sub a bit,
i always want to have enough coir ready at hand.
If you really need it just for one single shoebox,
take about a third from the brick.
If shoeboxes, i like them this way,
three in a row in a big tub makes great microclimate.

Besides that you can store leftovers,
if you prepped too much :wink:


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Re: Help with my spawn math [Re: mush_monkey] * 1
    #28770539 - 05/11/24 11:09 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

Just a suggestion: if you were aiming at only .6 liter of spawn: make more spawn jars than just for the .6 liter of spawn. Better a bit more jars to pick in case of contamination.

Also maybe an idea to use weight when you want to be specific on ratios. Measuring volume exact is tuff, unless what you're measuring fills all air pockets and has a flat surface. Like liquid fills all air pockets and is flat. Rye is tuff to volume measure. But it also is not a solid and strict science. But if you want to make notes for a next time, better to switch to (also) weights.

Further I think you math seems fine. :smile:

Regarding filling to the brim: depends on your 'shoebox'. I remember I've read long time ago that coir substrate should not be more than 10cm thick. But I can be faulty in that memory. In reality I think it is not per se about 10cm, but about pressure in/on the substrate. PS: I myself aim at 4-7 cm (including the pseudo layer). It kind of depends on how much spawn I have. And with 7 cm, then there are still a few centimeters left for air and the holes.

Write up I found very handy from Stipe-n Cap: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27426583

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