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I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" 2
#28769842 - 05/10/24 08:18 PM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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As the title says I think conservatives are the new counter culture. I think they've become the super sensitive "woke" crowd in the sense that they constantly tell you, you aren't "awake" to the issues litterally telling people "wake up".
I also think they've become the new snowflakes. Whenever you give your point of view they're extremely offended that you aren't 100% on board with trump etc.
It's a weird shift that I think is worth noting.
Thoughts?
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Seriously_trippin] 3
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they wish they were counter culture. they are the culture and trying to monopolize that will always make them posers.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: mushboy] 1
#28769891 - 05/10/24 08:59 PM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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Didn't you know they system is rigged and they are being canceled? Just ask them. It is hard to kick down if you are the one being canceled and it's just not fair, right?
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: mushboy] 1
#28769985 - 05/10/24 09:56 PM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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mushboy said: they wish they were counter culture. they are the culture and trying to monopolize that will always make them posers.
The base culture has shifted so much that the culture is about being progressive which leads me to the thought that they are the counter culture and that counter culture doesn't mean good it's just means counter to what's popular in culture.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Seriously_trippin] 3
#28770021 - 05/10/24 10:38 PM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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Nah. They're neither, which is why they're so desperate. They promote a regression to an imagined past where things were 'better'. Being catholic and joining the military and traditional values will never be cool.
Mainstream culture is bland liberalism, corporate, pro-capitalism, focus grouped, marvel movies and taylor swift.
Hard to say what the counter-culture is these days, because it becomes co-opted and re-sold so fast.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Lynnch] 1
#28770268 - 05/11/24 07:45 AM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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Well liberals are literally the mainstream culture:
Sjw ‘moral highground’ shit, marvel movies, pronouns, vegan/vegetarian, disingenuous inclusiveness, bohemian oneupsmanship.
Corporations, governments, and mass media are largely now that demographic or blatantly pandering to that demographic.
It’s more rare for me to encounter traditional people than clown world type’s, so yeah i’d say being conservative in that sense is the new counter culture.
All the truly unique, cool, edgiest, and free-thinking people I know are pretty ‘conservative’ nowadays. Self-sufficient living off the land types. They can’t stand liberal urban coastal nonsense which seems increasingly lamer and disingenuous the older you get.
Even Steve-O said fuck Hollywood, CA and it’s high taxes to go live in TN on a farm in the middle of nowhere and raise goats while fucking around in the woods all day.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Rumblefishtwist] 5
#28770286 - 05/11/24 07:58 AM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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I dunno that I'd really define counter-culture as 'rich guy says fuck taxes and buys a farm'
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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mushboy said: they wish they were counter culture. they are the culture and trying to monopolize that will always make them posers.
The base culture has shifted so much that the culture is about being progressive which leads me to the thought that they are the counter culture and that counter culture doesn't mean good it's just means counter to what's popular in culture.
Culture has always been progressive. Culture is set by the novel. Society is what happens when the novelty of culture crashes into the status quo, forcing adaptation.
Think of what people often mean when they say culture-art, theater, exposure to new experiences. A cultured individual is someone who seeks out novel experiences and is able to interpret them, integrate them, into their life.
Conservatives, by virtue of rejecting the novel in favor of the traditional, cannot be movers of culture. They can only fight back against the steady march of culture, often by co-opting critiques of the status quo into bland and toothless virtue signaling. See: marvel movies, etc.
The only "novel" culture that conservatives have come up with in recent times is fascism. Admittedly, fascism is a (considering the current times) a somewhat novel idea. It is an example of conservative imagination. Very limited imagination, sure, but imagination nonetheless.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Kryptos] 2
#28770665 - 05/11/24 01:26 PM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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mushboy said: they wish they were counter culture. they are the culture and trying to monopolize that will always make them posers.
The base culture has shifted so much that the culture is about being progressive which leads me to the thought that they are the counter culture and that counter culture doesn't mean good it's just means counter to what's popular in culture.
Culture has always been progressive. Culture is set by the novel. Society is what happens when the novelty of culture crashes into the status quo, forcing adaptation.
Think of what people often mean when they say culture-art, theater, exposure to new experiences. A cultured individual is someone who seeks out novel experiences and is able to interpret them, integrate them, into their life.
Conservatives, by virtue of rejecting the novel in favor of the traditional, cannot be movers of culture. They can only fight back against the steady march of culture, often by co-opting critiques of the status quo into bland and toothless virtue signaling. See: marvel movies, etc.
The only "novel" culture that conservatives have come up with in recent times is fascism. Admittedly, fascism is a (considering the current times) a somewhat novel idea. It is an example of conservative imagination. Very limited imagination, sure, but imagination nonetheless.
Strange. Cause Conservatives I’ve encountered seem to want the very opposite of the Fascism the far left -with its ESG scores and DEI programs- has imposed upon the corporate world. They absolutely detest the states malign control over corporations such as google, Coke, and Amazon and believe nefarious entities such as Black Rock should be up in court!
Furthermore, and as the box office shows very clearly, far from making progress, the left is actually murdering a once great American culture, with its fascist ideology being imposed upon corporations such as Disney in place of the traditional capitalistic and meritocratic system.
Such conservatives hold beliefs that are in fact the very opposite of fascist while it is the far-left that has infiltrated just about every corporation of any significance!
I’m not saying the traditional left wasn’t once a driving force or source of change and inspiration. Traditionally that was true. The left I once knew was pro-freedom of thought and pro-freedom of expression!
The trouble is, that to the far-left now, once traditional left wingers are now designated as conservatives or far-right fascists along with the actual conservatives and the actual far right fascists!
Are you employing the old Marxian ‘accuse the enemy of what you are doing yourself’ here or do you actually believe what you are saying?
Your caps have got skulls on them mate!
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Rumblefishtwist] 2
#28770953 - 05/11/24 06:20 PM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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Rumblefishtwist said: Well liberals are literally the mainstream culture:
Sjw ‘moral highground’ shit, marvel movies, pronouns, vegan/vegetarian, disingenuous inclusiveness, bohemian oneupsmanship.
Corporations, governments, and mass media are largely now that demographic or blatantly pandering to that demographic.
It’s more rare for me to encounter traditional people than clown world type’s, so yeah i’d say being conservative in that sense is the new counter culture.
All the truly unique, cool, edgiest, and free-thinking people I know are pretty ‘conservative’ nowadays. Self-sufficient living off the land types. They can’t stand liberal urban coastal nonsense which seems increasingly lamer and disingenuous the older you get.
Even Steve-O said fuck Hollywood, CA and it’s high taxes to go live in TN on a farm in the middle of nowhere and raise goats while fucking around in the woods all day.
Some of what you're saying is true but I feel most of it is proving my point.
Just the way you talk about liberals SCREAMS Social Justice warrior and you give this narrative that all liberals aren't awake to reality meaning you see yourself as the "awake" aka woke. You are the new SJWs you are the new woke.
Only difference is what you consider to be social justice is "Marvel movies are all propaganda so we shouldnt watch them" they aren't. You started to give the real reason which is theyre pandering to the lgbtq community and using lazy writing to do so at times but then went into the narrative about pronouns etc and lumped everything together. Boycotting Disney because of virtue signaling you don't like, you are in fact becoming the snowflakes that can't stand something they don't like in a movie.
This quote of yours actually perfectly encapsulates what I'm trying to get at :
"All the truly unique, cool, edgiest, and free-thinking people I know are pretty ‘conservative’ nowadays. Self-sufficient living off the land types. They can’t stand liberal urban coastal nonsense which seems increasingly lamer and disingenuous the older you get. "
What you're saying is you're not cool, you're not a good person, you're a pussy, everyone living on the coast is a piece of shit because you're liberal etc. You're absolutely NO different from dumb woke liberals saying anyone from a red state is a hillbilly piece of shit, they're dumb they'll never go anywhere in life. They're snowflakes more concerned about being right then treating people and issues case by case instead of generalizing ALL THE TIME.
I'm sorry to break the news to you but your post proves you've become the crowd that constantly virtue signals, you blindly belittle and generalize liberals that have different view points to you even just people who live in states you dont like, how retarded is that?.
You meltdown over every little thing. You've become a snowflake. "Oh my God they put a lesbian in the new Lightyear movie Disney is dead to me now because they're not "awake" to the issues I believe in" Don't watch it if you don't like that but boycotting the entire company over scenes you don't like is EXACTLY what snowflakes liberals would've done during trumps presidency.
Marvel putting in pandering lgbtq characters is lazy but you're reaction to it is even lazier. My best friend really doesn't like disney putting in woke messaging but if the movie is still good ge enjoys it. We heard nothing but bad things about "The marvels" and we've both seen it a combined 7 times because it was a good movie. We are able to look past the one part we don't like. The conservative crowd seems to be unable to do that.
The whole counter culture thing the reason I mention it is because of a few things. A) I believe the word counter culture is neither good or bad it's just describing the group of rebellious young people that want to do whatever the opposite of the status quo is. We've gotten to a place in society where the status quo is to not disparage people etc AND
B) it's ridiculous to at this point think being anti pc is in anyway an original thought that you had on your own and you weren't influenced by conservative media or social media. You're even more indoctrinated then liberals at this point because if you talk to a liberal you won't even consider their points as possibly correct. It's 100% about owning the libs and "winning" the argument. Aka SNOWFLAKE
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Kryptos] 1
#28770985 - 05/11/24 06:38 PM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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mushboy said: they wish they were counter culture. they are the culture and trying to monopolize that will always make them posers.
The base culture has shifted so much that the culture is about being progressive which leads me to the thought that they are the counter culture and that counter culture doesn't mean good it's just means counter to what's popular in culture.
Culture has always been progressive. Culture is set by the novel. Society is what happens when the novelty of culture crashes into the status quo, forcing adaptation.
Think of what people often mean when they say culture-art, theater, exposure to new experiences. A cultured individual is someone who seeks out novel experiences and is able to interpret them, integrate them, into their life.
Conservatives, by virtue of rejecting the novel in favor of the traditional, cannot be movers of culture. They can only fight back against the steady march of culture, often by co-opting critiques of the status quo into bland and toothless virtue signaling. See: marvel movies, etc.
The only "novel" culture that conservatives have come up with in recent times is fascism. Admittedly, fascism is a (considering the current times) a somewhat novel idea. It is an example of conservative imagination. Very limited imagination, sure, but imagination nonetheless.
You say "They can only fight back against the steady march of culture" I agree that's why I see them as the new counter culture. For better or worse. The steady march of culture has brought us to a point where we don't call people fags, the n word, retared etc but they're marching against the steady progression of culture. Just to be clear I don't think it's a good thing nessicarily
But also I think you're articulating exactly what I see. They are the new "Woke" and new "Snowflakes". Being woke isn't bad but the term woke got highjacked from black people by white virtue signaling SJWs. So most people claiming to be woke especially years ago were doing it because it made them feel better about themselves it had nothing to do with actually helping disenfranchised races or groups. Just like conservatives virtue signaling about disney or m&ms makes them feel like other conservatives think they're "awake"
Now let's examine what you're saying. All conservative SJWs do now is virtue signal. Yes like SJWs did in 2014 or so. They think they're saying the the things they say to being social justice in a way. What you're describing as fascist I see as virtue signaling in a giant circle jerk with other conservatives. Ie: If you like disney and marvel you aren't "woke" enough to understand anything conservatives are against is bad. Conservatives in power often tip that line into actual fascism but that almost never becomes law or reality.
If you drink Bud light you just don't understand how horrible it is that bud light put a trans person on a can that never was even sold to anyone. Yet just like a SJW they boycotted the crap out it putting 40k bud light workers out of the job all so they could virtue signal to each other that they are conservative enough to not be called a "libtard"
This issue is very complex and I realize I'm repeating myself a lot but I see this as very intertwined.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: wolf8312] 1
#28771011 - 05/11/24 06:59 PM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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mushboy said: they wish they were counter culture. they are the culture and trying to monopolize that will always make them posers.
The base culture has shifted so much that the culture is about being progressive which leads me to the thought that they are the counter culture and that counter culture doesn't mean good it's just means counter to what's popular in culture.
Culture has always been progressive. Culture is set by the novel. Society is what happens when the novelty of culture crashes into the status quo, forcing adaptation.
Think of what people often mean when they say culture-art, theater, exposure to new experiences. A cultured individual is someone who seeks out novel experiences and is able to interpret them, integrate them, into their life.
Conservatives, by virtue of rejecting the novel in favor of the traditional, cannot be movers of culture. They can only fight back against the steady march of culture, often by co-opting critiques of the status quo into bland and toothless virtue signaling. See: marvel movies, etc.
The only "novel" culture that conservatives have come up with in recent times is fascism. Admittedly, fascism is a (considering the current times) a somewhat novel idea. It is an example of conservative imagination. Very limited imagination, sure, but imagination nonetheless.
Strange. Cause Conservatives I’ve encountered seem to want the very opposite of the Fascism the far left -with its ESG scores and DEI programs- has imposed upon the corporate world. They absolutely detest the states malign control over corporations such as google, Coke, and Amazon and believe nefarious entities such as Black Rock should be up in court!
Furthermore, and as the box office shows very clearly, far from making progress, the left is actually murdering a once great American culture, with its fascist ideology being imposed upon corporations such as Disney in place of the traditional capitalistic and meritocratic system.
Such conservatives hold beliefs that are in fact the very opposite of fascist while it is the far-left that has infiltrated just about every corporation of any significance!
I’m not saying the traditional left wasn’t once a driving force or source of change and inspiration. Traditionally that was true. The left I once knew was pro-freedom of thought and pro-freedom of expression!
The trouble is, that to the far-left now, once traditional left wingers are now designated as conservatives or far-right fascists along with the actual conservatives and the actual far right fascists!
Are you employing the old Marxian ‘accuse the enemy of what you are doing yourself’ here or do you actually believe what you are saying?
Your caps have got skulls on them mate! 
Conservatives against affirmative action doesn't count as "not fascist" I actually think they're correct I don't think affirmative action is a net positive. But just the fact you think that's fascism says alot.
The thing is conservatives aren't bad people. Democrats aren't bad people. We all love America and funny enough we all want to stamp out fascism when we see it. The problem arises when you listen to political pundits and believe EXACTLY what they believe. If you talk to a 100 democrats about what they like and dislike about biden we will give you a detailed list about both.
EVERY conservative I've ever talked to about trump can't even consider saying something bad about trump. You tell them something that trump did that person may not agree with but thr conservative always either says "fake news or without addressing the bad thing trump did they'll say but biden did this this and that and I'll say yeah I don't agree with that but what about that one thing I was talking to you about something bad trump did? They never allow themselves to criticize trump and instead just call you a piece of shit.
You say conservatives don't have any fascist believes. And yet when someone brings up saying the pledge in school and saying one nation under god you get furious and say our country was founded on Christianity. No it wasn't it was founded on freedom of religion. Forcing jews,muslims,athiests to say a religious pledge is the definition of fascism. Then we get to Roe V Wade where conservatives made it so they can tell a woman what to do with her body that's fascist you just agree with it.
The thing I think actually makes ALOT but certainly not all conservatives more fascist then democrats currently though is acceptance of ideas that aren't you're own. The ability to actually respectfully try and understand where the other person is coming from and respecfully didagreeing is completely gone eith alot of conservatives because democrats have been labeled enemies of America.
I almost had to fight a pot dealer because he demanded to know who I voted for. I told him I didn't like biden or trump even though I voted for biden and he called me a pedophile enabler for not voting for trump and squared up to fight me. I declined and left. I was buying the cannabis for my dad who is as conservative and trump locing as you could possibly be. He's ex lapd ex military and that piece of shit cut us off from medicine because I didn't vote for trump. THAT is fascism. Vote for trump or ill fight you and deny you access to medicine.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Seriously_trippin] 1
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Also I have to say it speaks volumes that now every conservative I talk to you including you wolf says that modern democrats are Marxist. I know with 100% certainty that you didn't come to that conclusion yourself. You know how I know that?
Because Marxism is not the same as communism which is also different from socialism none of which are we even close to in america. Not to mention that Marxism hasn't actually existed since Karl Marx was alive. It's such an insanely out of touch frankly stupid argument.
The constitution and balence of power between the 3 branches litterally are unable to turn into communism, Marxism etc. The constitution would have to change, every republican in the house and senate would have to agree to restructure our government to a communist system.
It's never going to happen. The reality is you listen to people like trump or Tim Poole tell you democrats are Marxists and without even trying to understand what Marxism is you just agree. You don't look into it, analyze it to be either true or false you just see it as the real news and why even bother looking into it because everything else is fake news. That's exactly how tyranny operates.
Think of Putin, in Russia there's 3 or 4 state run news channels that are "the real news" and any dissenting opinion is the fake news.
I expect you won't even try and give me your response because you can't say anything bad about conservatives because it's part of your identity. Prove me wrong please
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Hmm. I'll have a more detailed response later, but I do wanna say that those things are not fascism, they're just regular old authoritarianism.
Fascism is when corporations/shareholder/capital use the power of the state to suppress the working class. It is an authoritarian ideology, yes, but not all authoritarians are fascists.
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Kryptos said: Hmm. I'll have a more detailed response later, but I do wanna say that those things are not fascism, they're just regular old authoritarianism.
Fascism is when corporations/shareholder/capital use the power of the state to suppress the working class. It is an authoritarian ideology, yes, but not all authoritarians are fascists.
That's a very good point as well. Maybe calling things fascist in America is pretty stupid all together because as I was saying with my point about Marxism our current form of American democracy does a pretty good job of stopping fascism in its truest sense. Even Authoritarianism has limits in America because you need so many bipartisan votes to get anything passed. Hmm
But yeah give it some thought and get back to me. There's alot of ideas there.
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mushboy said: they wish they were counter culture. they are the culture and trying to monopolize that will always make them posers.
The base culture has shifted so much that the culture is about being progressive which leads me to the thought that they are the counter culture and that counter culture doesn't mean good it's just means counter to what's popular in culture.
Culture has always been progressive. Culture is set by the novel. Society is what happens when the novelty of culture crashes into the status quo, forcing adaptation.
Think of what people often mean when they say culture-art, theater, exposure to new experiences. A cultured individual is someone who seeks out novel experiences and is able to interpret them, integrate them, into their life.
Conservatives, by virtue of rejecting the novel in favor of the traditional, cannot be movers of culture. They can only fight back against the steady march of culture, often by co-opting critiques of the status quo into bland and toothless virtue signaling. See: marvel movies, etc.
The only "novel" culture that conservatives have come up with in recent times is fascism. Admittedly, fascism is a (considering the current times) a somewhat novel idea. It is an example of conservative imagination. Very limited imagination, sure, but imagination nonetheless.
You say "They can only fight back against the steady march of culture" I agree that's why I see them as the new counter culture. For better or worse. The steady march of culture has brought us to a point where we don't call people fags, the n word, retared etc but they're marching against the steady progression of culture. Just to be clear I don't think it's a good thing nessicarily
But also I think you're articulating exactly what I see. They are the new "Woke" and new "Snowflakes". Being woke isn't bad but the term woke got highjacked from black people by white virtue signaling SJWs. So most people claiming to be woke especially years ago were doing it because it made them feel better about themselves it had nothing to do with actually helping disenfranchised races or groups. Just like conservatives virtue signaling about disney or m&ms makes them feel like other conservatives think they're "awake"
Now let's examine what you're saying. All conservative SJWs do now is virtue signal. Yes like SJWs did in 2014 or so. They think they're saying the the things they say to being social justice in a way. What you're describing as fascist I see as virtue signaling in a giant circle jerk with other conservatives. Ie: If you like disney and marvel you aren't "woke" enough to understand anything conservatives are against is bad. Conservatives in power often tip that line into actual fascism but that almost never becomes law or reality.
If you drink Bud light you just don't understand how horrible it is that bud light put a trans person on a can that never was even sold to anyone. Yet just like a SJW they boycotted the crap out it putting 40k bud light workers out of the job all so they could virtue signal to each other that they are conservative enough to not be called a "libtard"
This issue is very complex and I realize I'm repeating myself a lot but I see this as very intertwined.
So I don't necessarily like playing the definition game, but there is are conflicting definitions here that are worth clarifying: I am referring to culture as the novel that pushes against the status quo. Counter-culture is a specific type of culture which explicitly focuses on being contrarian to the status quo, usually in an intentionally shocking manner. Regular culture, on the other hand, is rarely intentionally contrarian in a shocking manner. It moves the status quo, but slowly and incrementally.
Conservatives aren't counter-culture because they resist the steady march of culture. That makes them reactionary. It's like when neo-nazis try to co-opt the punk scene, and on occasion get their shit kicked in by actual punks. Similarly, when they push against the "woke", they are attempting to co-opt a rebellious counter-culture aesthetic into their reactionary approach. This is what I meant in my above post, too: they co-opt a critique of the status quo into a bland and toothless virtue signal in an effort to delegitimize the actual counter-culture they consider a threat.
So, to use the example of diversity and Marvel-- the purpose of diversity is that diverse experiences lead to diverse thoughts, and that allows you to approach a problem from many different angles. More tools in the toolbox. A truly transgressive film would showcase that. Marvel does not. Marvel has added "diversity" by maybe having a black superhero or whatever, but their approach is still the same status quo, and the most transgressive message that Marvel is willing to send is that "well, Maybe we Americans fuck it up once in a while, but ultimately, we still have good intentions and are still the good guys in the end".
From what I've seen, conservative critiques of culture are always very surface-level. They focus on the number of nonwhite actors, or the number of (not villainous) gay-coded characters, without getting into the deeper themes of the media they are critiquing. To an extent, I wonder if it's something they just...don't really understand? A while ago, I remember watching a couple movie critiques by the youtube channel The Critical Drinker, and they're just barren. Again, they're just entirely focused on the number of POC/gay/whatever characters there are, without actually engaging with what those characters are doing. Compare this to a more left-wing creator that does movie critiques like Renegade Cut, who glosses over the appearance of the characters and jumps right into the deeper themes of the media they are critiquing.
You might be able to find a movie/piece of media they both critique, I don't have any off the top of my head (because Critical Drinker is not very interesting and I quickly stopped watching their content) and compare the two approaches.
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You also see this in Wolf's post above, to a slight extent. DEI and ESG is not "imposed" onto corporations by the far left any differently than the development of Ford's assembly line "imposed" a new way of putting cars together onto the market. It's simple market analysis. I don't eat at Chic-fil-a because I don't like homophobic chicken. I am choosing to vote with my dollar. To the conservative, this is...problematic. They are feeling consequences for their actions, and they don't like it. Large corporations are picking up on this trend of consumers voting with their dollars, and they are trying to co-opt that into the new status quo, by creating DEI and ESG ratings. Conservatives haven't yet figured out a way to entirely neutralize any consequences for their actions, so they just imagine this as being a monolithic fascist government takeover, because...well, the alternative is facing the reality that people don't really like them all that much. That's why they have to pretend that this cannot possibly be the result of the "meritocratic" capitalist system that they love so much. They are losing, and they don't want to consider why.
Same with complaints about the box office. Personally, I can't think of a single movie that has turned a profit in a legal sense, at least after actors started getting paid in shares of profit. There's a whole concept called "Hollywood accounting", in which movies are ALWAYS losing crazy amounts of money. This has nothing to do with wokeness, as wolf tries to imply, and everything to do with how the market operates within the framework of taxes and contracts and other such things.
Finally, you see the complaints about "free speech" and "freedom of expression"...usually followed up by pretty heinous slurs which might have been commonplace fifty years ago. The conservative thinks that they are part of the counter-culture by upholding the status quo. And, again, they refuse to consider that they are saying shitty things that people don't like, and are facing the consequences for saying shitty things that people don't like. That level of self-reflection can lead to some unpleasant conclusions about one's self, and that might imply that one needs to make changes. Nobody likes making changes. Making changes is hard work.
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Edit: Oh, and the use of the term "Marxist" or "Cultural Marxism" is just thinly veiled antisemitism combined with a knee-jerk defense of the status quo. The term was coined back in the 1920s as a rejection of the Frankfurt School, which was a loose conglomeration of academics opposed to Fascism, Capitalism, and to an extent, Communism. The Frankfurt School, by going against the status quo, was associated with...you guessed it, a monolithic plot to take over society (masterminded by the Jews, obviously) and reshape it in a manner that conservatives didn't like. Instead of acknowledging that their ideas are not very popular, they imagined a boogeyman that was somehow mind-controlling people into hating proper, good, and conservative society. That boogeyman was named Cultural Marxism.
Again, it's an emotional self-defense mechanism.
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I respect the argument. Trust me I don't like feeling that the conservatives stole the counter culture for me but it does still feel that way.
I'm really not understanding what you're trying to convey by saying: Culture= A novel that pushes the status quo.
Then you say counter culture is essentially being contrarian to the status quo and that's the exact case I'm making. I think our status quo has evolved into not making fun of people with disabilities, not disparaging lgbtq people for being who they are, trying not to hurt people's feelings etc. I think we got to the point where that is the status quo.
And to me I think you're absolutely right that it's all reactionary but also I think that's intertwined with the definition of counter culture. I think the type of conservatives we are talking about (not all) are 100% reactionary and they look around to see what all the other rebellious/counter mainstream culture conservatives are saying and doing and make they their ideal too. No different to liberals faking tolerance to look like a good person among their liberal friends.
I suppose what I'm saying though is alot of conservatives see themselves as "pushing against the mainstream narrative" "saying the things the people in power don't want you to hear" "being awake to the "truth" ", like liberals during 2016-2019ish they are incredibly sensitive to the point where they get furious hearing anything critical of their movement or trump, instead of rationally debating they say "fuck you you're brainwashed by the man"
Meanwhile liberals I know in real life barely ever talk about being liberal, we are incredibly critical of biden, CNN, young turks, they don't want to be called woke because they don't need the validation anymore, we just believe what we believe and treat people accordingly.
The marvel/disney movie criticisms are ruining something I love so I'm not happy about that. Be a fucking adult. Don't want to see a gay character? don't watch that but boycotting Disney for that is ridiculous. And making their kids not watch anything on Disney is sad.
It's all so they can feel like they're on a moral high horse and that they're great parents fuck off. In one of thr new doctor who specials however they had a trans girl in it and her whole character was about being trans I didn't learn on damn thing about her which made it very boring but at the very worst it's lazy writing pandering to the lgbtq community for money.
The first episode of the new doc who however where he's a gay man this time around was portrayed great. Didn't even mention him being gay really just like every other doctor. He's the doctor first many things after that and then his sexuality.
So it should be evaluated case by case.
I have no doubt people like wolf who precive absolutely everything Disney does as woke because someone told him it's all woke are hurting box offices numbers but yes also that's just the movie business. Interesting paradox because wolf says Disney is woke doesn't watch it and can't even verify that his hypothesis is correct. I heard the new Indiana Jones is woke and usually that means gay character or political messaging. I watched it, It had absolutely nothing woke in it.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Kryptos]
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The thing that really pisses me off about their freedom of speech narrative is a few things really. One all of us value freedom of speech. To suggest otherwise is asinine. You can't point to some politician blowhard somewhere imposing restrictions but we all value freedom of speech.
However it's really upsetting that the moment I give them my opinion after I politely listened to their opinion they go straight to calling me a communist Marxist, libtard, beta male whatever they can think of because freedom if speech when it comes to their opinion but my opinion is that of a traitor. That's the direct fault of people like Trump Carlson Waters etc.
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Hmm. I don't necessarily thing that respect for others and not making jokes at the expense of minorities is completely status quo yet, but I will buy it for the sake of argument. In that case, conservatives are, in theory, counterculture. I don't like giving them that label, though, because conservatives have a very long history of co-opting leftist language with the intention of tricking people. See: Nazis calling themselves socialists, the current attempts to turn "woke" or "DEI" or "CRT" into a bad word, etc. This is, again, a failure of imagination on the conservative side. They can only take concepts from the left and try to poison them.
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I also don't have much issue with conservatives boycotting disney as a whole. That is entirely their prerogative. Just like I routinely boycott explicitly conservative businesses, or businesses that I see as incongruent with my worldview, they should have the right to do that as well.
I also fully acknowledge that very few people are actually willing to stick with a boycott, to the point where I doubt that boycotts seriously affect the bottom line of businesses. Many people that I consider to be fairly left wing can't seem resist the temptation of homophobic chicken for very long.
Do I feel a certain moral vindication when boycotting something? Yes. But I also don't really talk about it very often. I began my boycott of chic-fil-a in 2012. This is probably the sixth or seventh time I'm discussing it in twelve years. One time I discussed it because I was part of a group that decided to go to chic-fil-a, and people questioned me when I dipped out and went to the panera across the street instead of getting chic-fil-a. Another time I discussed it when someone brought in chic-fil-a and questioned why I didn't eat any. It's not really something I normally work into conversation. Conservatives seem to like to work their beliefs into conversation fairly often.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Kryptos]
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I think that conservatism, without regards to fiscal policy or traditional mores, is a meaningless catchall -- like the junk drawer or basket of deplorables. Wherever liberals eat their own, or the neocons court more voters, that is the alt right.
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No the alt right is fascists.
They are the 'alternative' approach to applying conservative policy.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Kryptos]
#28773961 - 05/14/24 09:41 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Blacks adopted Trump, when they were offered more payoffs than newcomers. And, TURF lesbians against transsexuals.
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liberals are gay.
figuratively and literally gay.
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Quote:
Rumblefishtwist said: liberals are gay.
figuratively and literally gay.
And, "log cabin" Republicans.

Republicans call it "state's rights":
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I think counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" are the new conservatives.
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#28781060 - 05/20/24 09:00 AM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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"counter-culture" is the new mainstream culture.
Ever been to a drag brunch? It's just suburban soccer moms.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
#28781070 - 05/20/24 09:09 AM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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Not as a participant, protestor, or armed guard with an itchy trigger finger.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: durian_2008]
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disgusting.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: mushboy]
#28781082 - 05/20/24 09:22 AM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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If you sincerely respect someone as being from an oppressed victim class (but, I think this is cabaret) then, don't use them as bait dogs, to incite police statists.
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#28781084 - 05/20/24 09:25 AM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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life advice from durian
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#28781090 - 05/20/24 09:33 AM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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I don't want to self harm or harm others over burlesque.
Why aren't people allowed to be innocent.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: durian_2008]
#28781093 - 05/20/24 09:36 AM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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then dont
and good question why cant you just leave these people alone?
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Quote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar-Baby
The term tar baby has come to refer to a problem that is exacerbated by attempts to struggle with it, or by extension to a situation in which mere contact can lead to becoming inextricably involved.
I can know that some philosophical minority exists without using that person as a chaos agent to provoke civil unrest.
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yes the dudes dressing in womens clothing is provoking you to violence we know.
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Bricks like crisis actors are used for bait. Do not take the bait.
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durian_2008 said: Not as a participant, protestor, or armed guard with an itchy trigger finger.
If you respect someone's cognitive liberty, don't make them pariahs.
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This is kinda what I was trying to get at earlier, OP: the idea that conservatives are "counter culture" feels like it requires accepting that "beating minorities with baseball bats while chanting Nazi slogans" and "wanting people to respect your existence" are morally equivalent positions.
You sort of see this in the last few posts--people are equating trans people no longer pretending to be something they are not for social acceptance as roughly equivalent to violent repression.
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Conservatives are people who see other people as their property. Look at all their causes. They want to control a woman's vagina, they want to control your drug intake, what books you can read, what clothes you can wear, how you interpret gender and sex, who you love, what you are allowed to express artistically. They want people to be uneducated, and work themselves to death, in a miserable society that offers only judgment in return.
There is no depth, no nuance, no consistency.
At it's core I think the conservative mindset is generated by a lack of ability to engage in lateral thinking, and a massive sense of entitlement and white privilege.
A major symptom of white privilege is this idea that you are the paternalistic guide post for all humanity, and you will force others to walk the path you choose, like a farmer forces cattle into a certain corral. You know, for their own good. Because you were raised to be John Wayne, and everyone else is cast as your victim, in this phantasmatic wet dream of simultaneous domination and fragility. For everyone's good though. Only you know what's good for people, and anyone who has other ideas is just "mentally ill", or a "Marxist", or whatever you want to call them, to dehumanize them and turn them into justifiable victims of your terroristic mindset.
Conservatives thrive on normativety and supremecy, and they are always just an inch away from walking into a Walmart with one of their beloved penis substitutes, so they can demonstrate their dominance over everyone and everything, through the cis-masculine sacrament of violence.
They think that a willingness to hurt and kill other people makes them strong, and gives them a sort of manifest authority, in reality though, their entire understanding of reality is predicated on insecurity.
They want to project an image of militaristic strength, force, control, but they come off as unreasonable, idiotic, man-children, who are out looking for any excuse to shoot strangers, or scream racial slurs at people.
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I don't disagree with most of that but I would point out that violence isn't necessarily a masculine thing or a conservative thing. Humans resort to violence because it is effective. Communists do it. Fascists do it. Men do it. Women do it. Also, conservative men aren't the only people with guns. Hell, my old business partner is a trans-woman and she's got a collection of cool guns. I doubt she'll ever shoot up a Walmart but that has as much to do with not being a dumb-dumb as anything else, I suspect.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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Plus you forgot to mention they want to control what beer you drink and whether is is fun to play with mr potato head or not. Yet, they are still stupid enough to believe people will believe them when they claim to be the only ones who believe in freedom.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: ballsalsa]
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Oh yes violence is not the issue though, it's the context that violence takes, within the masculine lense. It becomes a point of pride. A sacrament. A right of passage. A justification in its own right.
Because violence is such a fetish in masculine identity, it necessitates the removal and degradation of empathy, through the grooming of children. A process called manhood.
Manhood actualized on a sociopolitical plain becomes militarism.
Militarism filtered through different cultural lenses becomes communism, fascism, etc etc.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: ballsalsa]
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So which cultural lens are you filtering your militarism through?
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The question is one of purpose: whom does the violence serve, and why?
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"So which cultural lens are you filtering your militarism through?"
I don't ascribe to easy political ideologies, and although I am a part of a culture, it considers me to be it's enemy, it degrades me, and rejects the notion that my ideas have value.
In return, I consider culture to be my enemy, I degrade it, and reject the notion that its ideas have value. I believe culture to be the tyranny of the neighbors. Not the tyranny of the state, or the spirit, or the dollar. It's the dictatorship of the masses.
You will wear what your neighbors wear, do what your neighbors do, believe what they believe, fuck like they fuck. You will do all these things, it doesn't matter if you like it. It doesn't even matter if your stupid neighbors like it.
Culture is a prison where the prisoners are also the guards.
I dispise militarism. It is a perversion of violence. A mass corruption of the mind. The uniforms, the mechanization, the structure and hierarchy, the monetization. It is fucking grotesque.
I believe that violence really is supposed to be personal, in a natural sense. It's best to have personal motives, if you're going to engage in violence, because the consequences that follow are deeply personal.
Militarism is people killing strangers as a profession, and teenagers being groomed into violent zealots, by rich people and withering old chicken hawks.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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I'll take that as "aggrieved"
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#28786818 - 05/24/24 09:40 PM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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They aren’t the counterculture. Because they want us to adopt the culture. But they are definitely the snowflakes. Every single thing seems to just get them super triggered and yelling. When someone says that they got a vaccine at some point and then they say that months and months later they had anything happen. Insert any reality and they will blame it on the vaccine. All you have to do is say “no it didn’t. “ That is enough to cause a full melting session. They’ll start yelling and projecting whatever they want you to be so that they can just yell at the person they want to yell at. The idea of the liberal.
It’s gross how quickly they’ve all unified under a single person who now dictates everything they think.
 He tells you that it’s OK to be afraid. Because he’s afraid too and he’s going to do whatever it takes to make you not have to be scared anymore.
Meanwhile, he’s fucking over the entire nation, lining his pockets with cash and none of his voters seem to care because “we triggered dem libs” 
They just don’t care about democracy anymore. They’d rather just have king Trump.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
#28787097 - 05/25/24 06:30 AM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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Calm_A_Llama_Down said: Conservatives are people who see other people as their property. Look at all their causes. They want to control a woman's vagina, they want to control your drug intake, what books you can read, what clothes you can wear, how you interpret gender and sex, who you love, what you are allowed to express artistically. They want people to be uneducated, and work themselves to death, in a miserable society that offers only judgment in return.
There is no depth, no nuance, no consistency.
At it's core I think the conservative mindset is generated by a lack of ability to engage in lateral thinking, and a massive sense of entitlement and white privilege.
A major symptom of white privilege is this idea that you are the paternalistic guide post for all humanity, and you will force others to walk the path you choose, like a farmer forces cattle into a certain corral. You know, for their own good. Because you were raised to be John Wayne, and everyone else is cast as your victim, in this phantasmatic wet dream of simultaneous domination and fragility. For everyone's good though. Only you know what's good for people, and anyone who has other ideas is just "mentally ill", or a "Marxist", or whatever you want to call them, to dehumanize them and turn them into justifiable victims of your terroristic mindset.
Conservatives thrive on normativety and supremecy, and they are always just an inch away from walking into a Walmart with one of their beloved penis substitutes, so they can demonstrate their dominance over everyone and everything, through the cis-masculine sacrament of violence.
They think that a willingness to hurt and kill other people makes them strong, and gives them a sort of manifest authority, in reality though, their entire understanding of reality is predicated on insecurity.
They want to project an image of militaristic strength, force, control, but they come off as unreasonable, idiotic, man-children, who are out looking for any excuse to shoot strangers, or scream racial slurs at people.
Conservatism is ‘white privilege’ ? A rather racist notion in itself implying as it does that white people themselves have some kind of monopoly over the concept of values!
Conservatism, is relative to whatever society (black or white) or time period one happens to find him/herself in, and hinges on what exactly one wishes to conserve, be it gun rights or religious values, etc.
The Islamic extremists the radical left is now happily jumping into bed with (supremely dumb move btw) are just about as far right and conservative as it gets and yet the ‘gays for Palestine’ far-left seems to have no inkling of exactly how gays are treated in Palestine! Strange how they suddenly don’t mind those conservatives!
The anti-racist racists only hate white conservatives I’m guessing, but it underlines how the radical left agenda -separate from the useful idiots tasked with pushing this utter (right cis?) nonsense- has never had anything to do really with gay or trans rights, or for that matter the Palestinians!
For these are all just cynical wedge issues and a means to an eventual (marxist/communist) end. Like Mao’s Red Guards, I don’t think the woke really realize just how dispensable and meaningless they are to those that are manipulating them! The chemical castration of gay children should have been a clue you’d have thought…
I wish -for my family’s sake- to conserve the stable society I grew up in and categorically reject the insane death-cult ideology that the radical left is attempting to impose on western society and that has (very evidently) brought nothing but Marxist chaos and division to western societies, just as it did in China during the 1960’s.
I may not agree with many of the old school traditional conservatives on matters of religion, and drug policy but I can recognize they are infinitely less dangerous and toxic than the (Turkey voting for Christmas) far left ideology that you are espousing, which is the Orwellian mirror-opposite of everything it purports to be on the surface.
There is absolutely nothing progressive, libertarian, anti-establishment or freedom loving about NeoMarxist ideology or its proponents. It will bring (and has brought) nothing to the world but destruction, and anyone standing opposed to that wrecking ball, is now a conservative!
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Believe it or not, It is possible to be opposed to the ideology of a group (like Hamas) and also opposed to the total destruction of everyone associated with that group (Palestinians). It's called being a decent human being. I know conservatives in the U.S. struggle with that concept.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: ballsalsa]
#28789513 - 05/27/24 02:29 AM (1 month, 16 hours ago) |
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This is actually pretty interesting, the daily wire just made an anti woke family guy clone called Mr. Birchumm. Everyone who watches it hates it even the conservatives. They billed it as too edgy for woke networks but the jokes aren't funny or edgy.
Every reference is years or decades old. They have 1 "woke" character that they use as a vilian and catch all for every woke ideology they want to make fun of. He actually says "I'm a straight white, hetronormative, cis gendered male and I apologize" :eyeroll: but he "looks gay". He has a rainbow unity symbol on his shirt, speaks effeminate etc. But here's where the story gets interesting.
A large portion of their daily wire plus audience won't watch it and they're very upset that they have a "gay character". One lady has a YouTube video saying she won't be watching because there's a gay character and that there's a way character in everything and she thought the conservatives would have a show without that.
The "gay" character is only there to be made fun of but they're so incredibly homophobic that they can't even watch someone making fun of gay people. The gay character is too much for their incredibly sensitive sensibilities. Not to mention the character they think is gay literally says he's straight and apologized for it that's the "joke"
So you have liberals trashing it and gloating because it's obviously not funny to anyone and its not even offensive really its so cliche. You have Conservatives that were hoping for a conservative south park and got a turd and you have their main base of daily wire plus subscribers. People so conservative they pay 20$ a month to watch daily wire all the time that are so ingrained that they don't want gay characters in TV or movies that they can't even watch something making fun of gay people so they're boycotting it 
They succeeded in pleasing absolutely no one.
But I think this is a great example of the topic. The more conservative you get the more sensitive they seem to be. They've literally become the snowflakes they laugh at.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28789759 - 05/27/24 09:03 AM (1 month, 9 hours ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: They succeeded in pleasing absolutely no one.
"They" should get another job from the sounds of it.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: mycot] 1
#28789832 - 05/27/24 09:57 AM (1 month, 8 hours ago) |
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lol @ the echo chamber jerking each other off and stroking the egos and opinions here EXCEPT the ones that provide a different perspective
Nauseating
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: theRealrollforever]
#28790041 - 05/27/24 12:44 PM (1 month, 5 hours ago) |
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The daily wire tried to do a "different perspective", and it's so stupid even conservatives can't enjoy it.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Kryptos]
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Yeah it's kind of hilarious to see the reaction. Ngl tho I love animated comedy and I've watched farzar and Velma so I watch terrible animated comedy too but I watched 3 out of 4 eps of Mr birchum last night to wind down
Like I said it's so cliche and I've heard the talking points so it wasn't really infuriating or anything. So I used it to bore me to sleep lol I would tell you about the episodes but that's just it the episodes don't follow a story to it's conclusion mostly.
It's was interesting to see what conservatives thought was funny though. It's actually incredibly tame.
On ep 3 they have an actual gay character and they made him just a navy buddy of theirs. They introduced the character by saying something like we served together, we didn't ask and you didn't tell.
They didn't make a salient point with that but it was almost saying "if it's a gay soldier that fought for America we should treat him with respect" which is interesting where they draw the line. They actually didn't belittle him in anyway.
I think daily wire writers truly thought their audience would be accepting of a gay character as long as they made him a vet and didn't make him say gay things. They were wrong lol.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28790353 - 05/27/24 05:08 PM (1 month, 1 hour ago) |
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I thought you could only watch the first episode without paying for it?
I saw clips of the first episode on reddit and youtube, and it seems like a lot of conservative comedy--the punchline is often something like "Gays, amirite?" *nudge nudge*
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: I thought you could only watch the first episode without paying for it?
I saw clips of the first episode on reddit and youtube, and it seems like a lot of conservative comedy--the punchline is often something like "Gays, amirite?" *nudge nudge*
I pirated it. Lol literally just searched watch Mr birchum online free. First 3 eps were there so I watched em.
It is it's honestly horrible writing but yeah not offensive per ce. Like you said "gays amirite?" Is more something I don't share a sentiment with its not particularly offensive though because it's so cliche.
I didn't really enjoy it much but I gotta be honest it wasn't the worst thing I've ever seen. Just not funny, offensive or edgy.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28790446 - 05/27/24 06:32 PM (1 month, 39 seconds ago) |
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Someone on youtube compared it to Brickleberry, which I recall once being described as a pizza: all edge, no point.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: The daily wire tried to do a "different perspective", and it's so stupid even conservatives can't enjoy it.
I didn't know that was possible.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28790460 - 05/27/24 06:43 PM (30 days, 23 hours ago) |
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So "horrible" that it can't be used to judge attitudes towards gays by. Not a great example at all.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: Someone on youtube compared it to Brickleberry, which I recall once being described as a pizza: all edge, no point.
Never watched brickleberry. I did once head down to my local bowling alley bar for some karaoke but it was like, open mic stand-up night and one of the dudes was a writer for that show. He was...not good.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: ballsalsa]
#28790480 - 05/27/24 07:01 PM (30 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28790497 - 05/27/24 07:14 PM (30 days, 23 hours ago) |
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NZ made a really good mini-series before "Game of Thrones" called "Spartacus" with gay characters and full frontal male nudity. One of the main characters is gay and totally likeable. Edgier I do recommend the whole series.
Perhaps a better example if you can get enough Americans to watch it.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: SirTripAlot]
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I'm terrible at bowling. Probably never bowled more than 150 in my life. I did like that bar though because they had karaoke 3 nights/week usually and all the regulars were friendly. They were also terrible at singing for the most part so I got to be the big swinging dick. I even had haggard old groupies who would make requests sometimes. There was this one old lady who drank a lot of fireball. She was half toothless and also half bald. One night she was profusely apologizing to my wife for trying to shoot her shot. We got a good laugh out of it. Another time there was this younger gay dude who told me I looked like Jared Leto (I don't). I didn't know who that was off the top of my head so I asked my wife and she said it was a compliment.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: Someone on youtube compared it to Brickleberry, which I recall once being described as a pizza: all edge, no point.
Brickleberry is much funnier. At least with that show you get cheap shock value. The comparison may come from the spinoffs of brickleberry. Paradise PD sucked when it came out and was insanely bad by it's last season and then the third spinoff farzar was definitely bad enough to be in the sane category as Mr birchum. No laughs no real story just garbage.
I watched all of them
All edge no point is a good description of brickleberry but Nr Birchum is no edge no point. That's worse
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: mycot]
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mycot said: NZ made a really good mini-series before "Game of Thrones" called "Spartacus" with gay characters and full frontal male nudity. One of the main characters is gay and totally likeable. Edgier I do recommend the whole series.
Perhaps a better example if you can get enough Americans to watch it.
My brother loved Spartacus. He isn't gay just liked the show (cant believe I have to clarify that)
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Kryptos said: The daily wire tried to do a "different perspective", and it's so stupid even conservatives can't enjoy it.
I didn't know that was possible.
Hard to have fun hating people when the people you hate aren't around, I guess?
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I did my very first karaoke two weeks back. I started off doing Without Me. Got through most of it, messed up the antenna line and the first few of the "o" assonance breaks. I drank for free that night.
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Kryptos said: Someone on youtube compared it to Brickleberry, which I recall once being described as a pizza: all edge, no point.
Brickleberry is much funnier. At least with that show you get cheap shock value. The comparison may come from the spinoffs of brickleberry. Paradise PD sucked when it came out and was insanely bad by it's last season and then the third spinoff farzar was definitely bad enough to be in the sane category as Mr birchum. No laughs no real story just garbage.
I watched all of them
All edge no point is a good description of brickleberry but Nr Birchum is no edge no point. That's worse
I think I managed to power through at least one full season of Brickleberry before I gave up. Saw maybe an episode of Paradise PD. Didn't they both do the sexual aggressive hot chick thing? Feel like True Detective played that for laughs one scene, and it worked.........okay.....considering it was the worst season. So they made a whole character out of the joke.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Kryptos]
#28790563 - 05/27/24 08:23 PM (30 days, 22 hours ago) |
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They cloned the female character fersure Ethel and Gina. Both had fleshed out characters, paradise pd fleshed out Gina much better background wise but they were both ultimately unlikable bitches.
Yeah honestly I don't blame you. Some people like crap movies sometimes, I think I like crap shows sometimes.
Maybe it's because I'm never expecting it because it doesn't make sense, good writing doesn't work that way etc.
My friends and I were stoners that loved things like that and thought it was funny when really us all laughing has more to do with weed+shock humor vs no weed with shock humor.
I didn't like their last season though.
Paradise pd I liked for 1 and a half seasons with a few eps each season that were okay until the last one and they all became stupid.
Farzar is a weird one though my brother is logical and won't watch something he doesn't like. He liked paradise and brickleberry but couldn't keep watching farzar.
My other close friend of maybe 10-12 years now and I were the ones really into animated comedy so we both watched all of farzar and hated every second of it. But we still watched it.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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I mean I'll watch the occasional crap movie/show, I've watched through Dark Star more than a few times, and I've definitely watched too much Firefly...enough to realize that it's actually kind of a crap show, TBH. More often than not when I'm gaming I've got some random show playing on my other monitor.
But Brickleberry and Paradise PD, man, those were just painful. Even with weed. I remember the bear being okayish, it landed every third joke, maybe...but, as you said, all shock humor.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Kryptos]
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Yeah I can't really explain why I liked it, why we liked it but we did.
Honestly I think it's a completely justifiable criticism. It's all low brau shock humor but I might watch the first season of brickleberry tonight. Honestly that's what we really loved the rest we forced ourselves to love.
Everyone has dramatically different shows they watch.
My 60-70 y/o parents are watching something called girls5eva right now about a girl band that reunites and it was not very funny to me but they were laughing.
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Blue_Lux]
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I wish -for my family’s sake- to conserve the stable society I grew up in and categorically reject the insane death-cult ideology that the radical left is attempting to impose on western society and that has (very evidently) brought nothing but Marxist chaos and division to western societies, just as it did in China during the 1960’s.
Believe it or not, It is possible to be opposed to the ideology of a group (like Hamas) and also opposed to the total destruction of everyone associated with that group (Palestinians). It's called being a decent human being. I know conservatives in the U.S. struggle with that concept.
There are two statements from two opposing posters. I agree with both. I agree with making shit the way it used to be...before Congress started supporting the gas companies that are making shit hotter. I agree with the stability there used to be, but I'm not gonna suck Donald Trump's dick like his supporters, or bitch ass Biden s cock, like hiz supporters. I believe in the Constitution, and fuck people who want to change it, like trump and Biden and their supporters. I think Israel has a right to defend itself against bitch ass Hamas, but Israel is bitch ass fuck bois, killing lots of Innocents and children. Fuck them and fuck people who support that
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: fnulnu]
#28798110 - 06/02/24 07:15 PM (24 days, 23 hours ago) |
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lol
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categorically reject the insane death-cult ideology that the radical left is attempting to impose on western society and that has (very evidently) brought nothing but Marxist chaos and division to western societies, just as it did in China during the 1960’s.
read that again... You really categorically reject such a thing... Do I really have to elaborate?
insane death cult ideology...
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